bustabit – The original crash game

[JollyGood]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

[1713879421]

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[Battareus]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

Yes, I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

[jostorres]

Yes, bustabit is very conservative when deciding which transactions it allows the user to precredit but that should come with no surprise. And almost everyone else waits for at least 1 confirmation anyway.

I don't get how people can't wait for just one confirmation, this doesn't really take that long after all it is just 1 confirmation.

If you feel like you are not sure about gambling after half an hour maybe you should not gamble to begin with. If this was a complaint from investors I would totally get it because investors would want people to gamble with some hype right away and lose all their money instead of waiting half an hour or an hour to gamble so they wouldn't think about it too long and give up and decide not to gamble, investors want people to lose money after all.

But, when you are a gambler who is telling people you can't gamble fast enough because it requires confirmation then I am sorry but there is two possibilities, either you are an addict or you want to double spend.

Confirmations are actually an important part of gambling plus bustabit doesn't really need money like that, sure they do want to get rich and all that but that doesn't mean they want to make people gamble in a rush to lose all their money, that wouldn't be ethical and bustabit is ethical if nothing else. Right now, confirmation makes sure they are legit people and not double spenders.

It is really not as ethical as it is technical. So, you give up the right to get rushing impulse gamblers money and they may not lose too much in here and so forth, which is business wise not a great idea but at the same time you are not getting any double spenders and so forth which is business wise a great idea. So, which one do you want, a website with more gamblers losing for impulsive gambling but also some double spenders? Or no impulsive losses yet no double spending allowed?

[JollyGood]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

Yes, I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

I wonder if devans might be able to shed any light on this.

So far you are the only person posting about this specific issue so it is not wide spread. Could it be something to do with a bug in the code?

[GamblingSiteFinder]

as i said before this game rigged when they saw to many players win they update new patch also when btc goes high they update the site so rigged

Who exactly is this game rigged in favor of then?? Because I began investing in the Bustabit bankroll roughly three months ago and I'm actually facing a net loss at the moment.

[malevolent]

Who exactly is this game rigged in favor of then?? Because I began investing in the Bustabit bankroll roughly three months ago and I'm actually facing a net loss at the moment.

But you're probably not far from breaking even right? I'm guessing no more than several weeks away assuming most of what you invested was 3 months ago. At least bustabit has enough volume, on bustadice it takes longer to pay off the dilution fee.

[higghigghigg]

I think if given the choice I would rather not be included in bets of say of over 5 btc. Smaller bets spread out the risk, I am not a gambler as such myself and I am relying on the house edge over many bets to slowly net a profit, I wouldn't 'all in' this btc on a bet I had slightly more than 50% chance of winning. I don't think I should be judged so harshly for not wanting my investment here to be so volatile. I have been happy with bustabit and I think daniel has done a great job, I just don't want to wake up rekt by whales if something similar happens again with the max bet so high. I have divested now, good luck with the site.

If your invested funds were only used for lots of low-risk bets, then Daniel would have absolutely no reason to even take your money Pretty much the only reason that bankroll investing even exists is because the site owner doesn't want to take the risk/variance themselves, so they give it to investors in exchange for some of the EV.

Unfortunately there's no free-lunch, and the sites that promise such (e.g. "bitcoin doublers") tend to be scams. But I think you did the right thing by divesting.

I think the good rule of thumb for bankroll investing, is never put more in than you're comfortable losing. It's been a long time since i've done it, but with a full-kelly of risk, my "angry whale" simulations show that the vast majority (like 80%???) of times an angry whale (someone with a lot more money than the site itself has, and determined to fuck the site) will be able to cause the site to lose >50% of the bankroll (the other 20% of the time, investors do extraordinarily well though ).

But yeah, the part that's quite unfortunate is that there's not always so much action. So you kind of get used to (and expect) the low volatility, and then a whale comes and drastically alters everything.

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

[RHavar]

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

No high volume ones, i don't think. I'd just check out bustabit.com/license.txt and go through sites listed there and see if any of them look interesting.


The bonus system was kind of neat, but the state-of-the-art bonus-bots just became so good, that it was really impossible for a casual player (or coder!) to really compete against.

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On a side note, it sounds pretty lame -- but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

[BayAreaCoins]

but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

[SquallLeonhart]

I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

Interesting, have you tried to do it with VPN? Or without VPN for that matter, if the trouble is your country and VPN then it could work without the VPN if the problem is with the VPN then it could work without the VPN. I have been gambling here for years now and never seen this type of trouble where the page just goes gray.

Now, you say you tried it on different browsers and even on your mobile phone that has the same issue it looks like it could be a legit issue with some other people who happened to have this trouble but not share it with us so bustabit wouldn't be able to know about it and fix it. Maybe you should give your debugging to bustabit and make them see what kind of problem it is caused by, troubleshooting might be the only way they could prevent that.

[hopenotlate]

but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

Long ago Yahoo62278 was the owner of bubblesbit , a moneypot app and amongst the other nice ad original games ( remember bullseye and the first slide dice ever come around) his site also had a provably fair rock-paper-scissors game named "roshambo" "roshambo" : I had lot of fun with it but if I recall correctly it wasn't a pvp game.

Good old days.

[higghigghigg]

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

No high volume ones, i don't think. I'd just check out bustabit.com/license.txt and go through sites listed there and see if any of them look interesting.


The bonus system was kind of neat, but the state-of-the-art bonus-bots just became so good, that it was really impossible for a casual player (or coder!) to really compete against.

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On a side note, it sounds pretty lame -- but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Did you come up with the bonus system whole cloth? I thought it was pretty damn clever. And because of it, sort of like playing poker in a casino, the house would always win overall but as a single player it was possible to be +EV.

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

[GamblingSiteFinder]

But you're probably not far from breaking even right? I'm guessing no more than several weeks away assuming most of what you invested was 3 months ago. At least bustabit has enough volume, on bustadice it takes longer to pay off the dilution fee.

In the time since I began promoting Bustabit, the house has basically been at the mercy of whales such as PredictableLegacy and EasternUnion. Without them, the needle doesn't appear to move unless you really zoom out on the graph. The house is not down much at all over the past quarter, but it's still in the red; certainly not rigged in the house's favor like some users seem to suggest. But at the end of the day, the sample size is far too small to complain. I'm excited to see where we'll be in the next few years with this site.

[RHavar]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.

I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.

[Lakai01]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

You are right, it's simply not possible. Just take a look at eg. Tampermonkey. It is a browser-plugin which supports writing code which in the end simulates user inputs (putting text into text editors, clicking buttons, following links, ...). A site has simply no chance to detect if a user input originates from a "real user" or from a bot. Taking any actions against such scripts has a high probability of false-positives leading to the fact that you ban real users which you wrongly identified as bots.

[higghigghigg]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.

I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.

I figured as much. It did end up self-regulating a bit in the end...it became very hard to snipe bonuses once others (bots) were trying to do the same. Agreed that it's best to go all or nothing in terms of what's allowed.

[devans]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

I deployed a fix for that issue yesterday. Please let me know if you continue to encounter any problems connecting to bustabit.

[RealMalatesta]

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.

Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.

[imstillthebest]

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.

Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.

provably fair word is available on every gambling site , you can see that in thier homepage when you access them or on thier tagline/promotion  . they also provide tools to verify if they are really have a provably fair or not , you can check that your self but if you feel that there is something not right , you can always report them or leave them   .  bustabit is one of those trusted sites and i wont worry playing on them without the need of doing the above process

[RHavar]

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not.

Sorry for getting off-topic, but RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works

Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net Fuck RPS