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February 07, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
Last edit: February 07, 2018, 07:39:51 PM by rickou812
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I utilized nicehash's services prior to their proclaimed "Hack".  I had/have 0.166btc tied up in their external wallet.  I have refused to use their services until my funds are re-payed and have been waiting patiently to see what they was going to do.  They announced Jan. 31st that they would repay the btc, but only at 10% with initial payment and with subsequent 10% payments at a later date.  Nothing specific.  Then, we find out if the 10% does not meet NH's minimum payout amount of .005, it will go into a pending pot...
So in my case for example, I have 0.0166 btc owed, they are only going to pay 10% (0.00166) on first payment.  But 0.00166 is less than 0.005, so no payout, just goes into "Pending payout" and I have to wait for the next unknown payout date for another 10% and so on until the pending balance reaches the 0.005 threshold.  Now, note the 0.005 threshold has been a moving target.

So, while reading their announcements, they indicate if you have any questions or concerns to submit a support ticket.  So today, I decided I wanted to submit a ticket to get on record with my concerns.  However, I find in order to submit a ticket, you have to log into NH.  When you register for an account, you must accept their "Terms of Service".
I would advise anyone utilizing NH to read and fully understand their TOS, it has been recently updated.
All I can say is, I will not ever utilize their services again under their current terms.  Good luck to those that do.  You have been warned, not by me, but by them in their own TOS!
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TERMS OF SERVICE

PLEASE READ THESE TERMS OF SERVICE (“Terms”) CAREFULLY BEFORE USING THE SERVICES AND SOFTWARE DESCRIBED HEREIN. BY SELECTING “I AGREE”, USING OUR SERVICES OR DOWNLOADING OR USING NICEHASH MINING SOFTWARE, YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU HAVE READ THESE TERMS AND YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THEM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS, DO NOT USE OUR SERVICES OR DOWNLOAD OR USE THE NICEHASH MINING SOFTWARE.

GENERAL

NiceHash operates as an intermediate service for providing hashing power from Hashing power providers to Hashing power buyers. NiceHash does not directly provide its own hashing power, but only provides Hashing power marketplace. NiceHash Miner and Excavator are software products developed by NiceHash which enable Hashing power providers to point their Hashing power rigs towards NiceHash stratum servers and sell their hashing power to Hashing power buyers. These Terms and any terms expressly incorporated herein apply to your access and use of the NiceHash Websites, NiceHash API and mobile applications provided by NiceHash as well as your use of NiceHash Services and NiceHash Mining Software.

DEFINITIONS

Capitalized terms will have the following meaning:

NiceHash means a limited liability company organized and existing under the laws of Slovenia, with registered address at Pot za Brdom 104, 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia, registration number: 8015635000, VAT number: SI37002104 which is the NiceHash Service provider, provider of Hashing power marketplace and developer of the NiceHash Mining Software, hereinafter referred to as “NiceHash”, as well as “we” or “ us”.

Hashing power marketplace means an infrastructure provided by the NiceHash which enables the Hashing power providers to point their rigs towards NiceHash stratum servers where Hashing power provided by different Hashing power providers is gathered and sold as generic Hashing power to the Hashing power buyers.

Hashing power buyer means a legal entity or individual who buys the gathered and generic hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace from undefined Hashing power providers.

Hashing power provider means a legal entity or individual who sells his hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace to undefined Hashing power buyers.

NiceHash Website means a website located on the following web address: www.nicehash.com.

NiceHash API means an Application Protocol Interface, accessible at api.nicehash.com/api.

NiceHash Account means an online account available on the NiceHash Website and created by completing the registration procedure on the NiceHash Website.

Account holder means a legal entity or individual who completes the registration procedure and successfully creates the NiceHash Account.

NiceHash Wallet means a wallet created automatically for the Account holder and provided by the NiceHash Wallet provider. NiceHash only transfers Account holder’s requests regarding the NiceHash Wallet to the NiceHash Wallet provider. NiceHash is not a NiceHash Wallet provider and only acts on behalf of the Account holder and for Account holder’s account. NiceHash Wallet is used to provide payments for the acquired hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace by the Hashing power buyers and to provide payments for the provided hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace to the Hashing power providers, if selected so by the Hashing power providers.

NiceHash Wallet provider is a third party which provides and manages the NiceHash Wallet. For more information about the NiceHash Wallet provider, see the following website: https://www.bitgo.com/.

NiceHash Services mean all services provided by the NiceHash, namely but not limited to providing of the Hashing power marketplace, NiceHash API, NiceHash Mining Software including licence for NiceHash Miner and Excavator, NiceHash Website, NiceHash Account and all other software products, applications and services associated with these products.

NiceHash Mining Software means NiceHash Miner and Excavator.

NiceHash Miner means a comprehensive software with graphical user interface and command line interface, developed by NiceHash which enables the Hashing power providers to point their rigs towards NiceHash stratum servers and sell their hashing power to the Hashing power buyers. NiceHash Miner means also any and all of its source code, compilations, updates, upgrades, modifications, error corrections, patches and bug fixes and similar.

Excavator means a low-level software with command line interface, developed by NiceHash which enables the Hashing power providers to point their rigs towards NiceHash stratum servers and sell their hashing power to the Hashing power buyers. Excavator means also any and all of its source code, compilations, updates, upgrades, modifications, error corrections, patches and bug fixes and similar.

Hashing power rig means all hardware which produces hashing power that represents computation power which is required to calculate the hash function of different type of cryptocurrency.

Secondary account is an account managed by third party from which the Account holder deposits funds to his NiceHash Wallet or/and to which the Account holder withdraws funds from his NiceHash Wallet.

Stratum is a lightweight mining protocol: https://slushpool.com/help/manual/stratum-protocol .

Blockchain network is a distributed database that is used to maintain a continuously growing list of records, called blocks.

Force Majeure Event means any governmental or relevant regulatory regulations, acts of God, war, riot, civil commotion, fire, flood, or any disaster or an industrial dispute of workers unrelated to you or NiceHash. Any act, event, omission, happening or non-happening will only be considered Force Majeure if it is not attributable to the wilful act, neglect or failure to take reasonable precautions of the affected party, its agents, employees, consultants, contractors and sub-contractors.
SALE AND PURCHASE OF HASHING POWER

Hashing power providers agree to sell and NiceHash agrees to proceed Hashing power buyers’ payments for the provided hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace, on the Terms set forth herein. According to the applicable principle get-paid-per-valid-share (pay as you go principle) Hashing power providers will be paid only for validated and accepted hashing power to their NiceHash Wallet or other wallet, as indicated in Account holder’s profile settings or in stratum connection username. In some cases, no Hashing power is sent to Hashing power buyers or is accepted by NiceHash Services, even if Hashing power is generated on the Hashing power rigs. These cases include usage of slower hardware as well as software, hardware or network errors. In these cases, Hashing power providers are not paid for such Hashing power.

Hashing power buyers agree to purchase and NiceHash agrees to process the order and forward the purchased hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace, on the Terms set forth herein. According to the applicable principle pay-per-valid-share (pay as you go principle) Hashing power buyers will pay from their NiceHash Wallet only for the hashing power that was validated by our engine. When connection to the mining pool which is selected on the Hashing power order is lost or when an order is cancelled during its lifetime, Hashing power buyer pays for additional 10 seconds worth of hashing power. Hashing power order is charged for extra hashing power when mining pool which is selected on the Hashing power order, generates rapid mining work changes and/or rapid mining job switching.

All payments including any fees will be processed in crypto currency and NiceHash does not provide an option to sale and purchase of the hashing power in fiat currency.
RISK DISCLOSURE

If you choose to use NiceHash Services and NiceHash Wallet, it is important that you remain aware of the risks involved, that you have adequate technical resources and knowledge to bear such risks and that you monitor your transactions carefully.

GENERAL RISK

You understand that NiceHash Services, blockchain technology, Bitcoin, all other cryptocurrencies and cryptotokens, proof of work concept and other associated and related technologies are new and untested and outside of NiceHash’s control. You acknowledge that there are major risks associated with these technologies. In addition to the risks disclosed below, there are risks that NiceHash cannot foresee and it is unreasonable to believe that such risk could have been foreseeable. The performance of NiceHash’s obligation under these Terms will terminate if market or technology circumstances change to such an extent that (i) these Terms clearly no longer comply with NiceHash’s expectations, (ii) it would be unjust to enforce NiceHash’s obligations in the general opinion or (iii) NiceHash’s obligation becomes impossible.

NICEHASH ACCOUNT ABUSE

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with the NiceHash Account abuse and that you have been full informed and warned about it. The funds stored in the NiceHash Wallet may be disposed by third party in case the third party obtains the Account holder’s login credentials. The Account holder shall protect his login credentials and his electronic devices where the login credentials are stored against unauthorized access.

REGULATORY RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with future legislation which may restrict, limit or prohibit certain aspects of blockchain technology which may result also in restriction, limitation or prohibition of NiceHash Services and that you have been fully informed and warned about it.

RISK OF HACKING

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with hacking NiceHash Services and NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. Hacker or other groups or organizations may attempt to interfere with NiceHash Services or NiceHash Wallet in any way, including without limitation denial of services attacks, Sybil attacks, spoofing, smurfing, malware attacks, mining attacks or consensus-based attacks.

CRYPTOCURRENCY RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with the cryptocurrencies which are used as payment method and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. Cryptocurrencies are prone to, but not limited to, value volatility, transaction costs and times uncertainty, lack of liquidity, availability, regulatory restrictions, policy changes and security risks.

NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.

CONNECTION RISK

You acknowledge that there are risks associated with usage of NiceHash Services which are provided through internet including, but not limited to, the failure of hardware, software, configuration and internet connections and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash will not be responsible for any configuration, connection or communication failures, disruptions, errors, distortions or delays you may experience when using NiceHash Services, howsoever caused.

HASHING POWER PROVISION RISK

You acknowledge that there are risks associated with the provisions of the hashing power which is provided by the Hashing power providers trough Hashing power marketplace and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash does not provide the hashing power but only provides the Hashing power marketplace as a service. Hashing power providers’ Hashing power rigs are new and untested and outside of NiceHash’s control. There is a major risk that the Hashing power rigs (i) will stop providing hashing power, (ii) will provide hashing power in an unstable way, (iii) will be wrongly configured or (iv) provide insufficient speed of the hashing power. Hashing power rigs as hardware could be subject of damage, errors, electricity outage, misconfiguration, connection or communication failures and other malfunctions. NiceHash will not be responsible for operation of Hashing power rigs and its provision of hashing power. By submitting a Hashing power order you agree to Hashing power no-refund policy – all shares forwarded to mining pool, selected on the Hashing power order are final and non-refundable.

HASHING POWER PROFITABILITY RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with the profitability of the hashing power provision and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that all Hashing power rig’s earning estimates and profitability calculations on NiceHash Website are only for informational purposes and were made based on the Hashing power rigs set up in the test environments. NiceHash does not warrant that your Hashing power rigs would achieve the same profitability or earnings as calculated on NiceHash Website. There is risk that your Hashing power rig would not produce desired hashing power quantity and quality and that your produced hashing power would differentiate from the hashing power produced by our Hashing power rigs set up in the test environments. There is risk that your Hashing power rigs would not be as profitable as our Hashing power rigs set up in the test environments or would not be profitable at all.
WARRANTIES

NiceHash Services are provided on “AS IS” and “AS AVAILABLE” basis and with all faults and defects. To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, NiceHash makes no representations and warranties and you waive all warranties of any kind. Particularly, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the NiceHash makes no representations and warranties, whether express, implied, statutory or otherwise regarding NiceHash Services or other services related to NiceHash Services and provided by third parties, including any warranty that such services will be uninterrupted, harmless, secure or not corrupt or damaged, meet your requirements, achieve any intended results, be compatible or work with any other software, applications, systems or services, meet any performance or error free or that any errors or defects can or will be corrected. Additionally NiceHash makes no representations and warranties, whether express, implied, statutory or otherwise of merchantability, suitability, reliability, availability, timeliness, accuracy, satisfactory quality, fitness for a particular purpose or quality, title and non-infringement with respect to any of the NiceHash Services or other services related to NiceHash Services and provided by third parties, or quiet enjoyment and any warranties arising out of any course of dealing, course of performance, trade practice or usage of NiceHash Services including information, content and material contained therein.

Especially NiceHash makes no representations and warranties, whether express, implied, statutory or otherwise regarding any payment services and systems, NiceHash Wallet which is provided by third party or any other financial services which might be related to the NiceHash Services.

You acknowledge that you do not rely on and have not been induced to accept the NiceHash Services according to these Terms on the basis of any warranties, representations, covenants, undertakings or any other statement whatsoever, other than expressly set out in these Terms that neither the NiceHash nor any of its respective agents, officers, employees or advisers have given any such warranties, representations, covenants, undertakings or other statements.
LIABILITY

NiceHash and their respective officers, employees or agents will not be liable to you or anyone else, to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, for any damages of any kind, including, but not limited to, direct, consequential, incidental, special or indirect damages (including but not limited to lost profits, trading losses or damages that result from use or loss of use of NiceHash Services or NiceHash Wallet), even if NiceHash has been advised of the possibility of such damages or losses, including, without limitation, from the use or attempted use of NiceHash Services, NiceHash Wallet or other related websites or services.

NiceHash will not be responsible for any compensation, reimbursement, or damages arising in connection with: (i) your inability to use the NiceHash Services, including without limitation as a result of any termination or suspension of the NiceHash Website or these Terms, power outages, maintenance, defects, system failures, mistakes, omissions, errors, defects, viruses, delays in operation or transmission or any failure of performance, (ii) the cost of procurement of substitute goods or services, (iii) any your investments, expenditures, or commitments in connection with these Terms or your use of or access to the NiceHash Services, (iv) your reliance on any information obtained from NiceHash, (v) Force Majeure Event, communications failure, theft or other interruptions or (vi) any unauthorized access, alteration, deletion, destruction, damage, loss or failure to store any data, including records, private key or other credentials, associated with NiceHash Services or NiceHash Wallet.

Our aggregate liability (including our directors, members, employees and agents), whether in contract, warranty, tort (including negligence, whether active, passive or imputed), product liability, strict liability or other theory, arising out of or relating to the use of NiceHash Services, or inability to use NiceHash Services under these Terms or under any other document or agreement executed and delivered in connection herewith or contemplated hereby, shall in any event not exceed 100 EUR per user.

You will defend, indemnify, and hold NiceHash harmless and all respective employees, officers, directors, and representatives from and against any claims, demand, action, damages, loss, liabilities, costs and expenses (including reasonable attorney fees) arising out of or relating to (i) any third-party claim concerning these Terms, (ii) your use of, or conduct in connection with, NiceHash Services, (iii) any feedback you provide, (iv) your violation of these Terms, (v) or your violation of any rights of any other person or entity. If you are obligated to indemnify us, we will have the right, in our sole discretion, to control any action or proceeding (at our expense) and determine whether we wish to settle it. If we are obligated to respond to a third-party subpoena or other compulsory legal order or process described above, you will also reimburse us for reasonable attorney fees, as well as our employees’ and contractors’ time and materials spent responding to the third-party subpoena or other compulsory legal order or process at reasonable hourly rates.

NiceHash Services and the information, products, and services included in or available through NiceHash Website may include inaccuracies or typographical errors. Changes are periodically added to the information herein. NiceHash may make improvements or changes on the NiceHash Website at any time. No information provided to you by NiceHash shall be considered or construed as advice.
NICEHASH ACCOUNT

The registration of the NiceHash Account is made through the NiceHash Website, where you are required to enter your email address and password in the registration form. After successful completion of registration, the confirmation email is sent to you. After you confirm your registration by clicking on the link in confirmation email the NiceHash Account is created. NiceHash will send you a proof of completed registration once the process is completed.

When you create NiceHash Account, you agree to (i) create a strong password that you change frequently and do not use for any other website, (ii) implement reasonable and appropriate measures designed to secure access to any device which has access to your email address associated with your NiceHash Account and your username and password for your NiceHash Account, (iii) maintain the security of your NiceHash Account by protecting your password and by restricting access to your NiceHash Account; (iv) promptly notify us if you discover or otherwise suspect any security breaches related to your NiceHash Account so we can take all required and possible measures to secure your NiceHash Account and (v) take responsibility for all activities that occur under your NiceHash Account and accept all risks of any authorized or unauthorized access to your NiceHash Account, to the maximum extent permitted by law.

Once the NiceHash Account is created a NiceHash Wallet is automatically created for the NiceHash Account. Account holder’s NiceHash Wallet is generated by NiceHash Wallet provider.

In order to pay for the acquired hashing power the Hashing power buyers must deposit funds to the NiceHash Wallet, as the payments for the hashing power could be made only through NiceHash Wallet. Hashing power providers have two options to get paid for the provided hashing power: (i) by using NiceHash Wallet to receive the payments or (ii) by providing other Bitcoin address where the payments shall be received to NiceHash. Hashing power providers provide their Bitcoin address to NiceHash by providing such details via Account holder’s profile settings or in a form of a stratum username while connecting to NiceHash stratum servers.

Account holder may load funds on his NiceHash Wallet from his Secondary account. Account holder may be charged fees by the Secondary account provider or by the blockchain network for such transaction. NiceHash is not responsible for any fees charged by Secondary account providers or by the blockchain network or for the management and security of the Secondary accounts. Account holder is solely responsible for his use of Secondary accounts and Account holder agrees to comply with all terms and conditions applicable to any Secondary accounts. The timing associated with a load transaction will depend in part upon the performance of Secondary accounts providers, the performance of blockchain network and performance of the NiceHash Wallet provider. NiceHash makes no guarantee regarding the amount of time it may take to load funds on to NiceHash Wallet.

NiceHash Wallet shall not be used by Account holders to keep, save and hold funds for longer period. The NiceHash Wallet shall be used exclusively and only for current and ongoing transactions regarding the NiceHash Services. Account holders shall promptly withdraw any funds kept on the NiceHash Wallet that will not be used and are not intended for the NiceHash Services. Commission fees may be charged by the NiceHash Wallet provider, by the blockchain network or by NiceHash for any NiceHash Wallet transactions. Please refer to the NiceHash Website, for more information about the commission fees for NiceHash Wallet transactions which are applicable at the time of the transaction. NiceHash reserves the right to change these commission fees according to the provisions to change these Terms at any time for any reason.

You have the right to use the NiceHash Account only in compliance with these Terms and other commercial terms and principles published on the NiceHash Website. In particular, you must observe all regulations aimed at ensuring the security of funds and financial transactions.

Provided that the balance of funds in your NiceHash Wallet is greater than any minimum balance requirements needed to satisfy any of your open orders, you may withdraw from your NiceHash Wallet any amount of funds, up to the total amount of funds in your NiceHash Wallet in excess of such minimum balance requirements, to Secondary Account, less any applicable withdrawal fees charged by NiceHash or by the blockchain network for such transaction. Withdrawals are not processed instantly and may be grouped with other withdrawal requests. Some withdrawals may require additional verification information which you will have to provide in order to process the withdrawal. It may take up to 24 hours before withdrawal is fully processed and distributed to the Blockchain network. Please refer to the NiceHash Website for more information about the withdrawal fees and withdrawal processing. NiceHash reserves the right to change these fees according to the provisions to change these Terms at any time for any reason.

You have the right to close the NiceHash Account. In case you have funds on your NiceHash Wallet you should withdraw funds from your account prior to requesting NiceHash Account closure. After we receive your NiceHash Account closure request we will deactivate your NiceHash Account as soon as technically possible but at the latest in 7 days from the day after receiving your request to close the NiceHash Account. NiceHash will inform you when your NiceHash Account is closed.

NiceHash is not responsible for the loss of the funds, stored on or transferred from the NiceHash Wallet, as well as for the erroneous implementation of the transactions made via NiceHash Wallet, where such loss or faulty implementation of the transaction are the result of a malfunction of the NiceHash Wallet and the malfunction was caused by you or the NiceHash Wallet provider. You are obliged to inform NiceHash in case of loss or theft, as well as in the case of any possible misuse of the access data to your NiceHash Account, without any delay, and demand change of access data or closure of your existing NiceHash Account and submit a request for new access data. NiceHash will execute the change of access data or closure of the NiceHash Account and the opening of new NiceHash Account as soon as technically possible and without any undue delay.

All information pertaining to registration, including a registration form, generation of NiceHash Wallet and detailed instructions on the use of the NiceHash Account and NiceHash Wallet are available at NiceHash Website. The registration form as well as the entire system is properly protected from unwanted interference by third parties.
HASHING POWER TRANSACTIONS

GENERAL

NiceHash may, at any time and in our sole discretion, (i) refuse any order submitted or provided hashing power, (ii) cancel an order or part of the order before it is executed, (iii) impose limits on the order amount permitted or on provided hashing power or (iv) impose any other conditions or restrictions upon your use of the NiceHash Services without prior notice. For example, but not limited to, NiceHash may limit the number of open orders that you may establish or limit the type of supported Hashing power rigs and mining algorithms or NiceHash may restrict submitting orders or providing hashing power from certain locations.

Please refer to the NiceHash Website, for more information about terminology, hashing power transactions’ definitions and descriptions, order types, order submission, order procedure, order rules and other restrictions and limitations of the hashing power transactions. NiceHash reserves the right to change any transaction, definitions, description, order types, procedure, rules, restrictions and limitations at any time for any reason.

Orders, provision of hashing power, payments, deposits, withdrawals and other transactions are accepted only through the interface of the NiceHash Website, NiceHash API and NiceHash Account and are fixed by the software and hardware tools of the NiceHash Website. If you do not understand the meaning of any transaction option, NiceHash strongly encourages you not to utilize any of those options.

HASHING POWER ORDER

In order to submit an order via the NiceHash Account, the Hashing power buyer must have available funds in his NiceHash Wallet.

Hashing power buyer submits a new order to buy hashing power via the NiceHash Website or via the NiceHash API by setting the following parameters in the order form: NiceHash service server location, third-party mining pool, algorithm to use, order type, set amount he is willing to spend on this order, set price per hash he is willing to pay, optionally approximate limit maximum hashing power for his order and other parameters as requested and by confirming his order. Hashing power buyer may submit an order in maximum amount of funds available on his NiceHash Wallet at the time of order submission. Order run time is only approximate since order’s lifetime is based on the number of hashes that it delivers.

Particularly during periods of high volume, illiquidity, fast movement or volatility in the marketplace for any digital assets or hashing power, the actual price per hash at which some of the orders are executed may be different from the prevailing price indicated on NiceHash Website at the time of your order. You understand that NiceHash is not liable for any such price fluctuations. In the event of a market disruption or Force Majeure Event, NiceHash may do one or more of the following: (i) suspend access to the NiceHash Account or NiceHash Website, or (ii) prevent you from completing any actions in the NiceHash Account, including closing any open orders. Following any such event, when trading resumes, you acknowledge that prevailing market prices may differ significantly from the prices available prior to such event.

When Hashing power buyer submits an order for purchasing of the Hashing power via NiceHash Website or via the NiceHash API he authorizes NiceHash to execute the order on his behalf and for his account in accordance with such order. Hashing power buyer acknowledges and agrees that NiceHash is not acting as his broker, intermediary, agent or advisor or in any fiduciary capacity. NiceHash executes the order in set order amount minus NiceHash’s processing fee. Once the order is successfully submitted the order amount starts to decrease in real time according to the payments for the provided hashing power.

Hashing power buyer agrees to pay applicable processing fee to NiceHash for provided services. The NiceHash’s fees are deducted from Hashing power buyer’s NiceHash Wallet once the whole order is exhausted and completed. Please refer to the NiceHash Website, for more information about the fees which are applicable at the time of provision of services. NiceHash reserves the right to change these fees according to the provisions to change these Terms at any time for any reason. The changed fees will apply only for the NiceHash Services provided after the change of the fees. All orders submitted prior the fee change but not necessary completed prior the fee change will be charged according to the fees applicable at the time of the submission of the order.

NiceHash will attempt, on a commercially reasonable basis, to execute the Hashing power buyer’s purchase of the hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace under these Terms according to the best-effort delivery approach. In this respect NiceHash does not guarantee that the hashing power will actually be delivered or verified and does not guarantee any quality of the NiceHash Services.

Hashing power buyer may cancel a submitted order during order’s lifetime. If an order has been partially executed, Hashing power buyer may cancel the unexecuted remainder of the order. In this case the NiceHash’s processing fee will apply only for the partially executed order. NiceHash reserves the right to refuse any order cancellation request once the order has been submitted.

SELLING HASHING POWER AND THE PROVISION OF HASHING POWER

In order to submit the hashing power to the NiceHash stratum server the Hashing power provider must first point its Hashing power rig to the NiceHash stratum server. Hashing power provider is solely responsible for configuration of his Hashing power rig.

The Hashing power provider gets paid by Hashing power buyers for all validated and accepted work that his Hashing power rig has produced. The provided hashing power is validated by NiceHash’s stratum engine and validator. Once the hashing power is validated the Hashing power provider is entitled to receive the payment for his work. NiceHash logs all validated hashing power which was submitted by the Hashing power provider. The Hashing power provider receives the payments of current globally weighted average price on to his NiceHash Wallet or his selected personal Bitcoin address. The payments are made periodically depending on the height of payments. NiceHash reserves the right to hold the payments any time and for any reason by indicating the reason, especially if the payments represent smaller values. Please refer to the NiceHash Website, for more information about the height of payments for provided hashing power, how the current globally weighted average price is calculated, payment periods, payment conditions and conditions for detention of payments. NiceHash reserves the right to change this payment policy according to the provisions to change these Terms at any time for any reason.

All Hashing power rig’s earnings and profitability calculations on NiceHash Website are only for informational purposes. NiceHash does not warrant that your Hashing power rigs would achieve the same profitability or earnings as calculated on NiceHash Website. You hereby acknowledge that it is possible that your Hashing power rigs would not be as profitable as indicated in our informational calculations or would not be profitable at all.

Hashing power provider agrees to pay applicable processing fee to NiceHash for provided services. The NiceHash’s fees are deducted from all the payments made to the Hashing power provider for his provided work. Please refer to the NiceHash Website, for more information about the fees which are applicable at the time of provision of services. NiceHash reserves the right to change these fees according to the provisions to change these Terms at any time for any reason. The changed fees will apply only for the NiceHash Services provided after the change of the fees.

NiceHash will attempt, on a commercially reasonable basis, to execute the provision of Hashing power providers’ hashing power on the Hashing power marketplace under these Terms according to the best-effort delivery approach. In this respect NiceHash does not guarantee that the hashing power will actually be delivered or verified and does not guarantee any quality of the NiceHash Services.

Hashing power provider may disconnect the Hashing power rig from the NiceHash stratum server any time. NiceHash reserves the right to refuse any Hashing power rig once the Hashing power rig has been pointed towards NiceHash stratum server.

Misuse and malicious use of Hashing power rigs is strictly prohibited. It is particularly prohibited to use NiceHash Services by using network botnets or by using NiceHash Services with Hashing power rigs without the knowledge or awareness of Hashing power rig owner(s). NiceHash reserves the right to seize any funds, accumulated with misuse and malicious use of Hashing power rigs.
RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS

In the event of disputes with you, NiceHash is obliged to prove that the NiceHash service which is the subject of the dispute was not influenced by technical or other failure. You will have possibility to check at any time, subject to technical availability, the transactions details, statistics and available balance of the funds held on the NiceHash Wallet, through access to the NiceHash Account.

When accessing or using the NiceHash Services or NiceHash Wallet, you agree that you will not violate any law, contract, intellectual property or other third-party right or commit a tort, and that you are solely responsible for your conduct while using NiceHash Services or NiceHash Wallet.

As a condition of your use of the NiceHash Services you warrant to NiceHash that you will not use the NiceHash Services for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these Terms. You may not use the NiceHash Services in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair the provision of NiceHash Services or interfere with any other party's use and enjoyment of the NiceHash Services. You may not obtain or attempt to obtain any materials or information through any means not intentionally made available or provided to you or public through the NiceHash Services.

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I received my first payback.

Oh... and fyi... your math is wrong...
10% of 0.166 is 0.0166

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February 07, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
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I received my first payback.

Oh... and fyi... your math is wrong...
10% of 0.166 is 0.0166
oops, missed a zero, edited to correct.  Thanks

Can you share what your initial total and first payback was?
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I received my first payback.

Oh... and fyi... your math is wrong...
10% of 0.166 is 0.0166
oops, missed a zero, edited to correct.  Thanks

Can you share what your initial total and first payback was?


hmmm. no. next you'll be asking me what's in my bank account  Cheesy

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I received my first payback.

Oh... and fyi... your math is wrong...
10% of 0.166 is 0.0166
oops, missed a zero, edited to correct.  Thanks

Can you share what your initial total and first payback was?


hmmm. no. next you'll be asking me what's in my bank account  Cheesy


Well, your btc address maybe...lol
Just figure it had to be over .05btc to have met the .005 payout threshold.  But glad you got paid you 10%, hopefully you will eventually get the other 90%...
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?

Let me guess, maybe this one?

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NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.


They are already using third party wallets huh!
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?

Let me guess, maybe this one?

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NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.


They are already using third party wallets huh!


Nicehash isn't a bank... your account and holdings on the service are not insured.  This is common sense spelled out in TOS.
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?

Let me guess, maybe this one?

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NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.


They are already using third party wallets huh!


Nicehash isn't a bank... your account and holdings on the service are not insured.  This is common sense spelled out in TOS.

What is catchy is that in the event of another incident of Security Breach (Hopefully they don't hack themselves), NH now has no responsibility on it, its now a risk everyone's should  be aware of.

Plain and simple. You have been warned. Lol,
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?

Let me guess, maybe this one?

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NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.


They are already using third party wallets huh!


Nicehash isn't a bank... your account and holdings on the service are not insured.  This is common sense spelled out in TOS.

What is catchy is that in the event of another incident of Security Breach (Hopefully they don't hack themselves), NH now has no responsibility on it, its now a risk everyone's should  be aware of.

Plain and simple. You have been warned. Lol,
 Cheesy


Without exclusive access to your private keys, the coins do not really belong to you. Essentially, an online wallet service just gives you an IOU for some number of some type of coin. The hope is that the user may "cash in" the IOU and spend it as they please, making the online wallet effectively functionally equivalent to wallet clients where the user has full control over their private keys. Perhaps the service never breaks from this illusion, but perhaps they will. Either way, the IOU is just that, an IOU that is backed solely by the reputation of the issuer. Such is a risk one takes with anyone that offers a third-party wallet service, be that Mt. Gox, WeEx, BTC-e, NiceHash, Coinbase, etc.

Any wallet provider that claims to fully insure user balances in the event of a major hack or other incident is probably full of BS. These types of disclaimers are fairly standard. To be frank, even if NiceHash didn't make mention of the risk associated with storing BTC with them, that'd be no reason to trust them.

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February 09, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
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nicehash is a scam service. They didn't repay me anything. So, better mine on pool.
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February 09, 2018, 03:22:25 PM
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I received my first payback.

Oh... and fyi... your math is wrong...
10% of 0.166 is 0.0166
You receive in Reimbursed pending or Reimbursed by now?

I do not think nobody will get anything, it was a scam.

I do not trust Nicehash anymore, plus they also have huge commissions on withdrawals.
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February 09, 2018, 04:10:05 PM
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What specifically do you not like about their TOS?

Let me guess, maybe this one?

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NICEHASH WALLET RISK

You acknowledge that there is risk associated with funds held on the NiceHash Wallet and that you have been fully informed and warned about it. You acknowledge that NiceHash Wallet is provided by NiceHash Wallet provider and not NiceHash. You acknowledge and agree that NiceHash shall not be responsible for any NiceHash Wallet provider’s services, including their accuracy, completeness, timeliness, validity, copyright compliance, legality, decency, quality or any other aspect thereof. NiceHash does not assume and shall not have any liability or responsibility to you or any other person or entity for any Hash Wallet provider’s services. Hash Wallet provider’s services and links thereto are provided solely as a convenience to you and you access and use them entirely at your own risk and subject to NiceHash Wallet provider’s terms and conditions. Since the NiceHash Wallet is a cryptocurrency wallet all funds held on it are entirely uninsured in contrast to the funds held on the bank account or other financial institutions which are insured.




They are already using third party wallets huh!


Nicehash isn't a bank... your account and holdings on the service are not insured.  This is common sense spelled out in TOS.

What is catchy is that in the event of another incident of Security Breach (Hopefully they don't hack themselves), NH now has no responsibility on it, its now a risk everyone's should  be aware of.

Plain and simple. You have been warned. Lol,
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Without exclusive access to your private keys, the coins do not really belong to you. Essentially, an online wallet service just gives you an IOU for some number of some type of coin. The hope is that the user may "cash in" the IOU and spend it as they please, making the online wallet effectively functionally equivalent to wallet clients where the user has full control over their private keys. Perhaps the service never breaks from this illusion, but perhaps they will. Either way, the IOU is just that, an IOU that is backed solely by the reputation of the issuer. Such is a risk one takes with anyone that offers a third-party wallet service, be that Mt. Gox, WeEx, BTC-e, NiceHash, Coinbase, etc.

Any wallet provider that claims to fully insure user balances in the event of a major hack or other incident is probably full of BS. These types of disclaimers are fairly standard. To be frank, even if NiceHash didn't make mention of the risk associated with storing BTC with them, that'd be no reason to trust them.


Agreed. Not sure all the FUD around NH is justified, and mining there is at user risk (just like any pool)...

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February 09, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
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Srsly, if you read any websites / companys terms of service there are and will always be total scams, its their legal team that put this shit together to protect their own asses in case something major happens. Terms of service does not mean the company will follow them, but they can always refer back to the ToS if shit hits the fan.
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February 09, 2018, 06:57:10 PM
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nicehash is a scam service. They didn't repay me anything. So, better mine on pool.
Well the repayment terms are quite clear at this point. So if you didn't get repaid you had less than their minimum target balance, like the OP had.

As for whether NH is a scam or not I have no opinion about since I've never used their services.

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Didn't believe for their "full reimbursement" and mine on pool right now. nicehash is a service from famous online criminal.
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February 09, 2018, 08:57:58 PM
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i dont understand the math presented here.

you claimed to have .166BTC at the time of the hack
10% of that is 0.0166BTC
minimum payout is .005BTC

so how exactly did you not meet that?
are you saying that NH is only reimbursing a TOTAL of 10% of what you lost? and then paying 10% of that 10% as the payments?

I was under the impression they were planning to pay everyone it all back, starting with 10% of whatever they had.
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February 10, 2018, 02:02:54 AM
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i dont understand the math presented here.

you claimed to have .166BTC at the time of the hack
10% of that is 0.0166BTC
minimum payout is .005BTC

so how exactly did you not meet that?
are you saying that NH is only reimbursing a TOTAL of 10% of what you lost? and then paying 10% of that 10% as the payments?


If the OP has 0.166BTC, He obviously meet 0.005 min payout, however, Reading on the first part if he has only 0.0166 10% would be 0.00166 then he cant withdraw it unless he mine again and reach at least 0.005.


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I was under the impression they were planning to pay everyone it all back, starting with 10% of whatever they had.

Yeah, thats everyone's hoping for, but if they are truly serious about paying it all, they should at least tell us when is the next payout, the danger is already here as upon reimbursement there is an agreement that NH is already out of trouble on last the hacking event.
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February 10, 2018, 02:21:46 AM
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I got my 10% right on time.  Every morning after the payout to my local NH wallet, I immediately transfer to my Coinbase account for 0% fee.



So if they get hacked again, at worst, I loose 1 day worth of mining, no big deal.

0.005 BTC is like $45, so I can certainly understand there needing a be a minimum threshold like that, given the BTC transmit fees these days.
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