[SCAM PREVENTION]Remove self-moderation for topics within the marketplace!

[bolinao]

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[bolinao]

Hey mods, any chance of yous manning up and giving us a reply on why this is being ignored ?

[4x4et]

There are many trolls and sale trashers on this forum, and thats why I use self-moderation (also I got an answer for moderation that I should do it, they dont have time for that).

I dont know why is that such an issue, you can always open Scam Dispute if you get scammed.

For bigger sums use escrow.

[OgNasty]

Perhaps another idea is for some sort of list of deleted posts at the bottom of self moderated threads so that if people want to read what has been deleted, they have the option.

[MiLkz]

Perhaps another idea is for some sort of list of deleted posts at the bottom of self moderated threads so that if people want to read what has been deleted, they have the option.

This certainly could be a nice alternative.  It might add a lot of clutter to some peoples posts though.

[bill gator]

Perhaps another idea is for some sort of list of deleted posts at the bottom of self moderated threads so that if people want to read what has been deleted, they have the option.

My only qualm with this suggestion is that it still limits the visibility of any evidence or accusations that this suggestion was originally meant to protect the visibility of. I really like the idea, for general-purposes, but in the context of "the lazy newbie that falls for these things" it would be rare that they read through the "deleted posts" section of a thread.

[Krusty guy]

Affected user groups:
Full(maybe), Senior, Hero, and Legendary users would NOT be affected.  Those groups would keep the ability to self-moderate in the decided upon marketplace sections(credit to akamit).

Why should they be exempt when those accounts are readily available to buy on here?

[MiLkz]

Affected user groups:
Full(maybe), Senior, Hero, and Legendary users would NOT be affected.  Those groups would keep the ability to self-moderate in the decided upon marketplace sections(credit to akamit).

Why should they be exempt when those accounts are readily available to buy on here?

It was a necessary evil. People actually use self moderation legitimately.  Most sold accounts get hit with negative trust..so,  that would remove their ability to self moderate regardless of rank.

[The Cryptovator]

Really it's need. I was also make a similar post about remove self moderation from Marketplace (Altcoins). I know self moderate prevent spam. But for this section need to or even scam. Due to self moderation true comment about project will be deleted. If we found some suspicious activity any ICO & we comment negetive about project than they will delete it. If negetive comment there and no self moderate than it might be help prevent people from scam. Scammer is more than important from spammer. So better if possible remove self moderate from Marketplace.

[bolinao]

Bump

[quiro]

bitcointalk helped facilitate fraud by allowing a scammer to prevent feedback from being posted to his thread. My bitcoin is gone now.

Self moderation should not be allowed for digital goods.

Scam thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090315.0

[Pffrt]

bitcointalk helped facilitate fraud by allowing a scammer to prevent feedback from being posted to his thread. My bitcoin is gone now.

Self moderation should not be allowed for digital goods.

Scam thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090315.0

True but it works quite opposite too. People may start trolling there too. You need to clean up the posts. Lots of people spam those sections too and self moderate thread helps to clean them.

[MiLkz]

True but it works quite opposite too. People may start trolling there too. You need to clean up the posts. Lots of people spam those sections too and self moderate thread helps to clean them.

That is why we have it limited to only certain user groups.

I am glad this is still being discussed..

[Mpamaegbu]

Seriously, why is self-moderation still a thing in the marketplace boards?
Has anyone brought up any valid points as to why anyone would need self-moderation in these boards?

Without a little bit of clarification I am unsure if I'm understanding the question right. Are you speaking in general, or are you speaking about newbies/lower-ranking members? Earlier in this thread and in the thread that preceded this discussion I had brought up a bunch of what I believe to be valid reasons for self-moderation on those boards.

This problem/situation still persists till date. Honestly, I don't know why this hasnt been nipped till now. Apart from people getting easily scammed by these Newbie OPs, self moderation threads are autocratic and dictatorial. We are trying to make the world a democracy for crying out loud!

[nomadcrypto]

I think the reasons cited for self moderation in those boards is a lot like the informal logical fallacy "overextend outrage". Overextend outrage is a form of poor statistical thinking where one or more statistically rare cases are implied to be the norm or the trend (without evidence). While that is not the full description/definition and this isn't a perfect match it is close. The number of unmoderated threads far outweigh the self moderated threads and instances of trolling are fairly rare. The number of self moderated threads started by scammers is much higher than the number of trolling incidents in those boards. Basically I just dont buy that argument

[mikeywith]

it's been so long, and nothing yet. let us just keep Bumping this thread every now and then, hopefully one day theymos will make it happen.

[petahasher]

I'll give you another bump, self-moderation is damaging. Legitimate sellers don't ever need to use it, all information should be open and transparent!

[MiLkz]

Still a major problem.  Giving negative trust is not enough to stop their scams.

[tmfp]

I think the reasons cited for self moderation in those boards is a lot like the informal logical fallacy "overextend outrage". Overextend outrage is a form of poor statistical thinking where one or more statistically rare cases are implied to be the norm or the trend (without evidence). While that is not the full description/definition and this isn't a perfect match it is close. The number of unmoderated threads far outweigh the self moderated threads and instances of trolling are fairly rare. The number of self moderated threads started by scammers is much higher than the number of trolling incidents in those boards. Basically I just dont buy that argument

This I agree with.
Self moderation is an anachronism and should be completely removed from the forum.

[philipma1957]

I think the reasons cited for self moderation in those boards is a lot like the informal logical fallacy "overextend outrage". Overextend outrage is a form of poor statistical thinking where one or more statistically rare cases are implied to be the norm or the trend (without evidence). While that is not the full description/definition and this isn't a perfect match it is close. The number of unmoderated threads far outweigh the self moderated threads and instances of trolling are fairly rare. The number of self moderated threads started by scammers is much higher than the number of trolling incidents in those boards. Basically I just dont buy that argument

This I agree with.
Self moderation is an anachronism and should be completely removed from the forum.

So not being able to delete posts like the one below is what you want?

“Fuck you die you mofo.  Btw his address is available via a pm”

Posted by a newbie with nothing to lose.


A self mod when properly used is a good tool.
I self mod almost every single thread I make.
 And if I do delete a post I quote the post. Unless it is a post like the fake one in quotes above.



If you look at most threads I do I don’t have to self mod or delete much . I like to think it is because people know i will mod it fairly.