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February 14, 2018, 03:51:40 PM
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MoneroV (XMV) -  MoneroV.org



MoneroV (XMV) is a private, untraceable, finite and secure cryptocurrency fork of the Monero (XMR) blockchain. A hard-fork split will occur at block 1564965 (~ April the 30th, 2018) when MoneroV miners will start to create blocks on the MoneroV network.

The new MoneroV blockchain will contain the history of all Monero transactions up until block 1564965 and all Monero coin (XMR) holders will receive MoneroV coins (XMV) in the rate of 1 XMR = 10 XMV after the fork.




Features:

  • Capped: MoneroV adheres to core Austrian school of economics principles by capping the total MoneroV coins that can be created, parting with Monero’s infinite coin supply structure.
  • Secure:  Decentralized peer-to-peer blockchain transaction consensus enables MoneroV to be secure and reliable.
  • Private:  MoneroV is truly anonymous and private. Sending and receiving addresses are obfuscated, as well as all amounts being transferred in all transactions. Your identity cannot be linked or traced to a transaction on the MoneroV blockchain.


How can I get MoneroV?

Anyone who holds Monero prior to the fork which will occur on block height 1564965 (~30th April 2018) will be an owner of MoneroV and will receive MoneroV coins (XMV) in the rate of 1 XMR = 10 XMV. As an example, if you hold 1 Monero coin (XMR) prior to the fork, you will own 10 MoneroV (XMV) after the fork.

If a third party stores your Monero coins, like an exchange or a custodian wallet service, you will need to inquire with them about your MoneroV coins.


How MoneroV is different from Monero?

  • MoneroV has a limited supply of coins in contrast to Monero’s infinite coin supply.
  • MoneroV and Monero's proof of work algorithms are on a different development path, as MoneroV's will focus on mitigating the mass use of botnets and unsuspected browser-based miners.
  • MoneroV will have an active development fund that would be used for rapid development and feature integration versus Monero's voluntary donation based development process.
  • In addition, MoneroV will implement new protocols that will solve the scaling problems facing Monero and other cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin. In-depth detail is included in the MoneroV roadmap: https://monerov.org/MoneroV-Roadmap.pdf.


How should I keep my XMR to make sure I will receive XMV?

Any wallet that is secure and allows you exclusive access to your seed private key would be a suitable wallet to use to receive MoneroV.

We will publish guides and technical tutorials for safe retrieval of your XMV from popular wallets such as the Monero GUI wallet (getmonero.org), Mymonero.com and the Monero RPC. Some wallets may offer native access to your XMV.


When will the MoneroV wallet be released?

The official MoneroV wallet, in addition to other dependencies such as the MoneroV daemon will be released a few days after the blockchain snapshot date, as compilation and setup can only occur after the 1564965 blockchain height point.


How can I join the development team?

Anyone can join the MoneroV open source project. We are looking for talented C++ & Node.js developers as well as front-end developers and DevOps engineers.

Additional info is available on our FAQ page:
https://monerov.org/faq/


Supply & Emission:



Comparison:

  • Total Supply - Capped at 256 Million XMV (Of which about ~5.85% in a coinbase transaction for active development).
  • Circulating Supply at Hard Fork Split - ~158 Million XMV (10x circulating XMR supply).
  • Proof of Work - CryptoNight (to be modified)
  • Difficulty Retarget - Every block. Adjusted difficulty initially after the split.
  • Block Time - Every 2 minutes.
  • Block Reward - Smooth decrease. Minimum of 6 XMV per block at 184,467,440 XMV in total emission until 256M max supply reach.
  • Block Size - Dynamic.
  • Privacy - Ring signature / stealth addresses.

Official Website:
https://monerov.org

Blockchain Explorer:
https://monerovexplorer.com

Github (Repository roll-out):
https://github.com/monerov

Telegram:
https://t.me/joinchat/H4TZNQ98QfDGejxJY0CvhQ

Twitter (Community):
https://twitter.com/monero_v

Team contact:
team at monerov.org



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February 14, 2018, 03:55:37 PM
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What are the best practices to be sure about getting the new coins?
Are there any ways to get involved or incentivized before the airdrop?

gl
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February 14, 2018, 04:00:09 PM
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A limited-supply Monero.. interesting change of mechanics. I wonder how this will affect its price when it comes out.

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February 14, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
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Grabbing my popcorn for this one
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February 14, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
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This coin can be mine?
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February 14, 2018, 04:16:44 PM
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Your whitepaper link just points to the Cryptonote.org whitepaper.   Roll Eyes
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February 14, 2018, 04:28:29 PM
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Do you plan to implement also other features of Monero such as Kovri?

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February 14, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
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Next time, maybe do a MoneroT fork, Monero Transparent.
Unique selling point! I think we've all had it with the privacy coins now. 
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February 14, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
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Been following the hype since the last thread here on bitcointalk Smiley

The PDF was a good read.
The new coin being finite is a great feature I root for, being like bitcoin, gold and any real currency.

Only thing I'm not sure about the over-ambitious plans planned to 2019, but who knows  Roll Eyes
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February 14, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
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Yes, we do plan to implement Kovri. The whitepaper should point to the CryptoNote whitepaper as it's the current underlining protocol of both Monero and MoneroV.
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February 14, 2018, 04:48:58 PM
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Can it be mined now?
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February 14, 2018, 04:52:41 PM
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And another one to make the developers rich. People are really fed up with coins that have an automatic coinbase transaction split for developers. Why don't you just prove your capabilities and then raise money afterwards?

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February 14, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
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I see Monroe for the first time. My idea is that you might succeed. Privacy is best monero.


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February 14, 2018, 04:58:28 PM
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The Monero community are not thrilled about this, but for an average XMR holder It's a great move.
Heck, It should push the improvement of Monero as well. Any bounties?

Privacy is key
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February 14, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
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Can it be mined now?

You'll be able to mine MoneroV only after the hard-fork split date.
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February 14, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
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Do you need translate?

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February 14, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
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Hi, devs

I am preparing for setup us the very first XMV mining pool in China. Nice work! I am waiting for the source code.

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February 14, 2018, 05:09:20 PM
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What are the best practices to be sure about getting the new coins?
Are there any ways to get involved or incentivized before the airdrop?

gl

The best way would be to hold your XMR locally. Of course you can get involved, reach out to us by email.
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Maybe XMR will start a bull run at last?   Huh Huh
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February 14, 2018, 05:24:29 PM
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Do you need translate?

There are many pending languages that would need to be added. A detailed list will be released.
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German Reserved
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Had a quick chat with the dev team, this definitely sounds like the most solid project I've seen in a while.

Lots of interest from the community, even with some 4 weeks to go Smiley

Looking forward to participating!

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This project has for sure my interest. Counting every day to start. It will be big.


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Following this one closely.

When it's mentioned Cryptonight (modified), will it be mineable the existent GPU mining software?

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Quote from: MoneroV link=topic=2947912.msg30284805#msg30284805 dat
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Anyone who holds Monero prior to the fork which will occur on block height 1529810 (~14th March 2018) will be an owner of MoneroV and will receive MoneroV coins (XMV) in the rate of 1 XMR = 10 XMV. As an example, if you hold 1 Monero coin (XMR) prior to the fork, you will own 10 MoneroV (XMV) after the fork.

If a third party stores your Monero coins, like an exchange or a custodian wallet service, you will need to inquire with them about your MoneroV coins.


How should I keep my XMR to make sure I will receive XMV?

Any wallet that is secure and allows you exclusive access to your seed private key would be a suitable wallet to use to receive MoneroV.

We will publish guides and technical tutorials for safe retrieval of your XMV from popular wallets such as the Monero GUI wallet (getmonero.org), Mymonero.com and the Monero RPC. Some wallets may offer native access to your XMV.



So... are you implying you're going to need my private keys, eh? Could your provide some more color on how coins will be issued?

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February 15, 2018, 12:04:36 AM
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Looking forward to claiming MoneroV

But be careful claiming these fork coins people... i heard the privacy of our coins could be degraded if not claimed properly. If anyone has any information/instructions on exactly the best way to claim, pls post Smiley tks
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when moon ? can I mine it now?
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when moon ? can I mine it now?
Have you seen the ann?


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February 15, 2018, 09:16:05 AM
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Wrote an article regarding the airdrop and the risks of it hurting the main chain's anonymity: https://walletinvestor.com/magazine/monerov-monero-fork-risk/

Seems like the issues were not taken care of as the original distribution plan was kept.

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Nice project
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February 15, 2018, 11:47:15 AM
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This was kind of expected after the number of Bitcoin hardforks and the odd Ethereum one. What I don't understand is why it's just an snapshot airdrop and not a hard fork taking place? Wouldn't a hard fork make sure sense or is the code that much different? You'd get a more stable price with a proper hard fork imo.

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February 15, 2018, 11:58:44 AM
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To get XMV, Monero coins should be on the local wallet Huh
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<< mining pool reserved >>
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February 15, 2018, 12:34:17 PM
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can this hardfork be accountable, and will not cause MONERO dump?
because we have experienced in the past such as hard fork that is issued by NXT
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February 15, 2018, 12:44:46 PM
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SO what makes you different from monero? Or just a copy of monero and continue to copy what monero lab is researching?

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February 15, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
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To make sure that your XMR and keys can't be compromised in any way you should do the following:

- Create a new wallet especially for the fork and move your XMR to this wallet.
- ‎after the snapshot move your XMR back to the original wallet
- ‎You can then use your newly created wallet, that holds no XMR anymore after the snapshot, to claim your MoneroV

You should do it that way with every fork.
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February 15, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
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Wrote an article regarding the airdrop and the risks of it hurting the main chain's anonymity: link

Seems like the issues were not taken care of as the original distribution plan was kept.

I read this and it is somewhat one-sided.
What about the issues raised by xmv being a good thing, exposing a basic flaw with monero?

To make sure that your XMR and keys can't be compromised in any way you should do the following:

- Create a new wallet especially for the fork and move your XMR to this wallet.
- ‎after the snapshot move your XMR back to the original wallet
- ‎You can then use your newly created wallet, that holds no XMR anymore after the snapshot, to claim your MoneroV

You should do it that way with every fork.

This is sound advice and exactly what i'm going to do with mine.
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February 15, 2018, 03:30:16 PM
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can i'm ask something  Roll Eyes
i'm miner on minergate and  can i get XMV too ?

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Wrote an article regarding the airdrop and the risks of it hurting the main chain's anonymity: link

Seems like the issues were not taken care of as the original distribution plan was kept.

I read this and it is somewhat one-sided.
What about the issues raised by xmv being a good thing, exposing a basic flaw with monero?


Except the same flaw will exist with MoneroV aswell if someone decides to airdrop a MoneroX on MoneroV. As they didn't do anything to adress the "flaw", why would you support a project that shows a flaw and is unable to fix it? They even go as far as use the Monero name and ignore the things that Monero developers asked in the twitter quote from the article. Building fundamentals on destroying the parent chain's anonymity while you don't have a fix for it? Didn't intend to scare people away from the project, but you should really think further.

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whether can i receieve MoneroV, if i hold my monero in cold wallet whitch generated on moneroaddress.org
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I just noticed that Ryan Hildreth is promoting this project (Bitconnect). Aaaaand im out.
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Nice project😁😊😊
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February 16, 2018, 06:50:06 PM
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Its quite an interesting project, my doubt is how will XMR and XMV behave in the market after the hard fork  Wink I have some XMR so i always welcome a new free coin  Grin

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Pardon my ignorance if I ask a stupid question.
If I have 10XMR in mymonero wallet, will I be able to get 100XMV and hold my 10XMR?
Or will I have to exchange them?
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Pardon my ignorance if I ask a stupid question.
If I have 10XMR in mymonero wallet, will I be able to get 100XMV and hold my 10XMR?
Or will I have to exchange them?

no you get them for free, probably have to import your private keys on the monerov wallet
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Если я буду хранить на бирже монеты XMR, как я смогу получить XMV Huh Как я должен и к кому обратиться?
Или мне нужно будет вывести XMR на любой из перечисленных кошельков, а XMV придут уже тудаHuh
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February 17, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
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Does anybody know whether there are exchanges that are going to support the fork and credit the customers with MoneroV accordingly?

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Does anybody know whether there are exchanges that are going to support the fork and credit the customers with MoneroV accordingly?
None have been announced yet, maybe closer to the fork date will have some exchanges doing this

It's good opportunity for smaller exchanges, a chance to get some more customers over to their system
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i think this is scam project
be careful about  your private keys guys
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why do we need this fork?

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i think this is scam project
be careful about  your private keys guys

There's no risk really when you use a seperate wallet for the fork. See here:

To make sure that your XMR and keys can't be compromised in any way you should do the following:

- Create a new wallet specifically for the fork and move your XMR to this wallet.
- ‎after the snapshot move your XMR back to the original wallet
- ‎You can then use your newly created wallet, that holds no XMR anymore after the snapshot, to claim your MoneroV

You should do it that way with every fork.

why do we need this fork?

The whitepaper answers this question best. It's a good read: https://monerov.org/MoneroV-Roadmap.pdf
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February 17, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
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Any wallet guaranteed to get/support this other than running a full node?
Don’t have the HD space to dl another whole blockchain.

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Any wallet guaranteed to get/support this other than running a full node?
Don’t have the HD space to dl another whole blockchain.

You can use https://mymonero.com too, but I haven't used it myself so far. I run the GUI wallet.
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BEWARE FORKED COINS THAT ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR PRIVATE KEYS

If you are thinking of partaking in the MoneroV experience, please think twice.

MoneroV developers are not releasing the code to be scrutinized prior to the fork and then asking people to give their private Monero keys to the XMV wallet in order to claim your 10x XMV coins. What this means is that the wallet code could have a backdoor in it that downloads your private keys so they can use them to steal your hard earned XMR. If this isn't true, the devs would release the code long before offering 10x the coins of your XMR. They are giving the illusion that receiving 10 times the XMR in XMV coins is merely an incentive to use the coin, but it's clearly to draw people in to get your private keys.

A private key is a private key. There is no good reason to ever share it with anyone unless you are purposefully selling your wallet for cash or trading it for something else. Your private key is your private key, do not ever give it to a forked coin for any reason.

More info:

Official Monero devs on the issue:
 - https://getmonero.org/2018/02/11/PoW-change-and-key-reuse.html
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7x2ymg/announcement_proofofwork_tweak_and_a_note_on_key/

XMV devs reddit damage control:
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroV/comments/7xv7ij/announcement_the_concern_troll_brigade_submission/

XMV airdrop privacy concerns:
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroV/comments/7x9mja/monerov_airdrop_automatic/
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroV/comments/7xkzza/hard_fork_privacy_concern/

You will notice some of those reddit threads raising the privacy issue of the coin are locked, an effort to block open criticism of the coin.



Remember: this coin is NOT open source. There is no code to scrutinize on their official github site: https://github.com/monerov

The finite circulation of coins is bogus as well:  https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroV/comments/7w4iil/monerov_monero_hard_fork_march_2018_what_you_need/

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"The supply of MoneroV is so high, you, I, everyone right now, will be dead before Monero has a higher supply than MoneroV.

In the year 2100 there would be 31,456,000 XMR vs ~8 times as many MoneroV

Even in the year 3500 there would still be less XMR than "XMV"."


This means that literally the only reason to move to XMV is to cash in on the 10 XMV coins per XMR. With no code to confirm that back doors do not exist, this is a HIGHLY RISKY FORK.


USER BEWARE!!



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hubbida, you clearly did not read the ANN thread in its entirety. It clearly states that everything is going to be open sourced and is rolling out on github. No downloadable file or binary is going to be published before then.

The Monero and MoneroV private keys, and by extension the XMR & XMV coins of holders, are completely safe as long as the official MoneroV wallet is being used to claim the MoneroV coins. The wallet source code like everything else will obviously be published and open sourced before it is released in its downloadable form.

Users do not and should not reveal their private keys to a third party at any stage. It is the same method Bitcoin holders used to claim their Bitcoin Cash coins. The official MoneroV wallet, along with all dependencies will be completely open sourced and available for everyone to validate and compile from source.

In addition, your supply of coins argument does not make sense because you did not factor in the percentages and the proportional distribution. In the beginning, every holder receives 10 times the amount in XMV. Because this is an even distribution, the purchasing value stays the same and there is no inflation. Afterwards, the inflation of both coins is exactly the same percentage wise until XMV hits 256 Million (XMR would be at this point 25.6 Million). After that point, MoneroV will stop inflating as it hit the max supply while Monero will keep inflating indefinitely.

 
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February 18, 2018, 03:50:15 AM
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Scam or not...Monero itself's a good investment.

May as well load up on XMR and;
- take profit it it pumps
- hodl both through the fork and claim XMV if it proves legit
- hodl the XMR long term if it dips

Looks like a win-win-win...no reason not to get/add/hold XMR imo

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Scam or not...Monero itself's a good investment.

May as well load up on XMR and;
- take profit it it pumps
- hodl both through the fork and claim XMV if it proves legit
- hodl the XMR long term if it dips

Looks like a win-win-win...no reason not to get/add/hold XMR imo

That's exactly what I think too! Monero is a good buy itself, as it is in my opinion the best privacy coin and at the same time still undervalued.

To avoid any risk just create a seperate wallet solely for the fork, hold your XMR there and after the snapshot move them to another wallet. You'll then only share keys that belong to an empty XMR wallet. It's really that easy and it should be done with any fork.
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The Monero community are not thrilled about this, but for an average XMR holder It's a great move.

xmrscott, Monero contributor, here. For the average XMR user it is actually a bad move as it undermines their privacy. It also undermines XMV privacy arguably more so as XMV users will have fewer tx's. For more details see the video samsunggalaxyplayer put up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE

The official website also explains this somewhat in a recent blog post:

https://getmonero.org/2018/02/11/PoW-change-and-key-reuse.html

and the Monero Stack Exchange:

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/7608/what-is-monerov-and-how-is-it-different-than-monero

Long story short, if you choose to use XMV from the chain split as a result of XMR you held prior to the split as well as the XMR, you are effectively attacking the privacy of yourself (people can tell which input belongs to you 100% on both chains) and attacking the privacy of others who use your 100% known tx in their ring signature. If you value your own privacy and do not want to be malicious to others then do not use XMV unless they decide to create a blockchain from scratch instead of doing a chain split.
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Hi,

this article describes very well that:

  • moneroV is forking in a way that is harmful for privacy, so the dev's claims that they want to further privacy in crypto is a false claim, since they don't seem to care about the fact that the way they implement it is possibly privacy-harmful for BOTH chains
  • The 'monero-infinite-supply'-argument is actually a false argument contra monero. In 2021 the tail emission kicks in for monero, that is an inflation of about 0.8% per year, which is perfectly fine and gives incentive to the miners
  • The moneroV-devs don't want to answer any questions, don't want to 'fix' things which makes it obvious that for them this is just a total moneygrab

full article and definitely worth a read!
https://bitcoinschannel.com/monerov-a-trap-laid-for-monero-users/

Stay safe out there, noone should ask you to give up your private keys!

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I'm actually LOVING the article if you read it through.
Yes, sure it is one-sided and all, and obviously was lacking the full response from xmv's team, but if you read through the interesting parts -

“We believe Monero’s infinite coin supply was a mistake and is a tax in the form of inflation for all XMR holders.
This is a fundamental flaw that MoneroV fixes by putting a cap on the total MoneroV coins that can be created.
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AND

“we are also glad that we had contributed to the future privacy of both coins by helping to reveal an unknown flaw that researchers and cryptographers in the community had missed for years.”


Both lead to the conclusion that the MoneroV team know what they are doing and the Monero guys are being over-defensive about this.
Once this forks happen and hit the exchanges, it will be huge.

I'd be thrilled to see the complete response given to Jamie Holmes who published this.
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Hey guys... I'm a passionate supporter of Sumo (xmr fork as well).

Prepare for some heavy fud from xmr. You will get it...

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hubbida, you clearly did not read the ANN thread in its entirety. It clearly states that everything is going to be open sourced and is rolling out on github. No downloadable file or binary is going to be published before then.

The Monero and MoneroV private keys, and by extension the XMR & XMV coins of holders, are completely safe as long as the official MoneroV wallet is being used to claim the MoneroV coins. The wallet source code like everything else will obviously be published and open sourced before it is released in its downloadable form.

Users do not and should not reveal their private keys to a third party at any stage. It is the same method Bitcoin holders used to claim their Bitcoin Cash coins. The official MoneroV wallet, along with all dependencies will be completely open sourced and available for everyone to validate and compile from source.

In addition, your supply of coins argument does not make sense because you did not factor in the percentages and the proportional distribution. In the beginning, every holder receives 10 times the amount in XMV. Because this is an even distribution, the purchasing value stays the same and there is no inflation. Afterwards, the inflation of both coins is exactly the same percentage wise until XMV hits 256 Million (XMR would be at this point 25.6 Million). After that point, MoneroV will stop inflating as it hit the max supply while Monero will keep inflating indefinitely.

 


This is the sort of false logic that everyone should be concerned about. You think I didn't read the ANN entirely because I bring up the fact that you have not released any code? You think the keys are safe despite offering no evidence that they are?

What about the issue with ring signature issue that straight up reveals user's true transaction inputs?

What about the fact that it'll take hundreds of years before XMV hits 256 million coins?

So far, with all the research available, there is no good reason to believe that MoneroV is more secure, nor is it less inflationary for any reasonable amount of time.

Looks like it's ultimately going to damage the Monero network.
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You target us as Monero users with an airdrop fork that will harm the anonymity of both projects and expect us to welcome you with open arms?   Huh Sorry but I just don't understand your logic.
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Hey guys... I'm a passionate supporter of Sumo (xmr fork as well).

Prepare for some heavy fud from xmr. You will get it...

Yes, it sure does looks like monero guys are sending heaps of new accounts everywhere.
I wonder if this is actually like shooting themselves in the leg, or worthwhile.  Huh
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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

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First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

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We will be unlikely to get the tokens if our Monero is on Bittrex, correct? I did read that it needs to be in a wallet, just trying to assess whether I need to move it.
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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

It's not FUD, it's simple objective logic. So far the XMV dev's have yet to address how they're going to fix the privacy issue XMV devs are creating (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE) that will impact MoneroV users more than Monero users. People who use coins from Monero might be impacted depending on how many people use the XMV gained from the chain split and the originating XMR so XMR users have every right to get angry which is why the Monero community regards this as a hostile fork...it undermines XMR's privacy and shoots XMV's privacy in the foot even worse.


First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

No, MoneroV not an official fork of Monero and at least some of us regard it as a hostile fork because as said earlier it has the potential to impact privacy of XMR, but more importantly it impacts XMV users more: https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/964484507352141825

This whole privacy issue could be avoided if they decided to start their own blockchain instead of trying to do a chain split on Monero's chain. Sumo created their own chain. Others have... it shouldn't be that hard, but XMV dev's don't care about their own users' privacy it would seem and are more interested in what seems to be a quick cash grab scheme...

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Если я буду хранить на бирже монеты XMR, как я смогу получить XMV Huh Как я должен и к кому обратиться?
Или мне нужно будет вывести XMR на любой из перечисленных кошельков, а XMV придут уже тудаHuh

Зависит от того, как относится к форку биржа. Обычно она его не поддерживает, или втихую забирает себе новые монеты. Лучше всего держать монеро на момент форка на локальном кошельке.

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Hi guys.

Does anyone know at what block the snapshot will be?

thanks

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hi guys,
this might stupid question but can some one clarifiy for me please.

1.Which wallet is best for storing Monero where i can claim XMV or the upcoming fork?I have download Windows wallet but it is taking ages i been syncing since last one week.i dont think i will able to sync whole blockchain by the fork happens.

2.It says 1 XMR = 10 XMV,but when i have 0.98 XMR will i get 9.80 XMV or should i have one complete XMR?

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First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

This article explains it fairly well, have a read.
https://btcmanager.com/monerov-trap-laid-monero-users/
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February 21, 2018, 01:16:04 PM
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Does anybody know whether there are exchanges that are going to support the fork and credit the customers with MoneroV accordingly?
None have been announced yet, maybe closer to the fork date will have some exchanges doing this

It's good opportunity for smaller exchanges, a chance to get some more customers over to their system

You might be right but I must say I am still struggling to see the value of MoneroV that some people on this forum suppose for the forked coin.

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For privacy, what specific features are you guys incorporating - Ring/RingCT

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Hi guys.

Does anyone know at what block the snapshot will be?

thanks

It says on the ANN page it is block 1529810.
Massive fud going around that popcorn comment was on point  Grin
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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

It's not FUD, it's simple objective logic. So far the XMV dev's have yet to address how they're going to fix the privacy issue XMV devs are creating (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE) that will impact MoneroV users more than Monero users. People who use coins from Monero might be impacted depending on how many people use the XMV gained from the chain split and the originating XMR so XMR users have every right to get angry which is why the Monero community regards this as a hostile fork...it undermines XMR's privacy and shoots XMV's privacy in the foot even worse.


First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

No, MoneroV not an official fork of Monero and at least some of us regard it as a hostile fork because as said earlier it has the potential to impact privacy of XMR, but more importantly it impacts XMV users more: https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/964484507352141825

This whole privacy issue could be avoided if they decided to start their own blockchain instead of trying to do a chain split on Monero's chain. Sumo created their own chain. Others have... it shouldn't be that hard, but XMV dev's don't care about their own users' privacy it would seem and are more interested in what seems to be a quick cash grab scheme...



This is simple as it is. Claiming monerov may put the previous transaction history from that particular address at risk. But I think that can be quite solved by moving your monero in a new wallet around the fork and again moving it out to another intermediate wallet and back to your original wallet after the fork. And hence claiming monerov without risking your history.

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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

It's not FUD, it's simple objective logic. So far the XMV dev's have yet to address how they're going to fix the privacy issue XMV devs are creating (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE) that will impact MoneroV users more than Monero users. People who use coins from Monero might be impacted depending on how many people use the XMV gained from the chain split and the originating XMR so XMR users have every right to get angry which is why the Monero community regards this as a hostile fork...it undermines XMR's privacy and shoots XMV's privacy in the foot even worse.


First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

No, MoneroV not an official fork of Monero and at least some of us regard it as a hostile fork because as said earlier it has the potential to impact privacy of XMR, but more importantly it impacts XMV users more: https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/964484507352141825

This whole privacy issue could be avoided if they decided to start their own blockchain instead of trying to do a chain split on Monero's chain. Sumo created their own chain. Others have... it shouldn't be that hard, but XMV dev's don't care about their own users' privacy it would seem and are more interested in what seems to be a quick cash grab scheme...



This is simple as it is. Claiming monerov may put the previous transaction history from that particular address at risk. But I think that can be quite solved by moving your monero in a new wallet around the fork and again moving it out to another intermediate wallet and back to your original wallet after the fork. And hence claiming monerov without risking your history.

You're confusing input and output history that's gained by having keys to the wallet (i.e. key theft) with undermining the ledger in such a way that a person doesn't need your keys to see which tx in a ring sig is the real input and which are the decoys. The video above highlights this, but let's just try to make it simple and post it here. Let's propose we follow your solution to show how it doesn't protect against MoneroV's chainsplit from undermining your or other's ledger privacy on Monero or MoneroV.

1. Let's say I have wallet AMp which is my 'primary' Monero wallet
2. Before the MoneroV split I move the value from wallet AMp to BMt, my 'throwaway' Monero wallet
3. The block where MoneroV creates a split happens, creating a MoneroV wallet, BVt, while I still retain the funds in BMt
4. Because BVt uses the same keys as BMt by nature of how splits work, if the MoneroV wallet software is malicious when I enter my keys to try and claim my MoneroV it can instead run a script that takes those keys and moves the value of both the Monero and MoneroV Bt wallets created with those keys to a wallet under the malicious actor. This is why as I believe you're trying to say in your comment, you move your funds in your BMt wallet back to AMp *before* you attempt to use your wallet B keys with the MoneroV client...because your Monero funds can't be stolen (nor do they have the keys to your wallet AMp which would allow them to scan for the historical inputs and outputs belonging to that wallet)...but they can still obviously steal the funds in your MoneroV wallet.

How the split undermines the ledger on both sides of the split is such:
1. When I first make a tx from my throwaway Monero wallet BMt to my primary AMp it does so with inputs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Input 5 is the actual input I control, 1-4 are the decoys.
2. I send a tx from my throwaway MoneroV wallet BVt to some new primary MoneroV wallet CVp. The MoneroV tx uses Input 5 again because it's the one I own, but the MoneroV client chooses decoy inputs 6, 7, 8, 9
3. Because the key image created for each the MoneroV and Monero tx is the same because it's based on the only input I control, Input 5, and because anyone can look at the key images on the blockchain, they know the same Input was used on both chains. Furthermore, since there are no 'duplicate' decoys (i.e. didn't use Input 6 in both XMV and XMR tx's) Input 5 is the only input that's used in both tx, thus anyone knows 100% that Input 5 is the real input
4. Because anyone now knows that Input 5 was 100% spent in both those MoneroV and Monero tx, it impacts anyone else who uses Input 5 as a decoy. For example say there exist some other tx on either MoneroV or Monero's chain that consists of inputs 5, 10, 11, 12, 13. Because I know Input 5 was 100% spent in another tx and is thus a decoy I have now narrowed down the real input to either 10, 11, 12, or 13. If enough people claim the MoneroV split and start using it because of steps 1-3 the other inputs...let's just say 10, 11, 12 can also be determined to be decoys thus even if someone doesn't claim and spend input 13 on MoneroV because other people have shown what the decoy inputs are, even if they didn't mean to... they have undermined whoever made that tx with the real input being input 13.


It's a bit technical so illustrations are arguably better IMO which the video does a good job at, but hopefully you begin to grasp why Monero people hate this split...because people who claim and use their MoneroV not only undermine said claimers own privacy because said claimers tx can be 100% traced for at least that tx...but by nature of that 100% tracing other things can begin to snowball. Because MoneroV users are going to make far fewer non-claim tx, this snowball effect is going to have a notably more detrimental effect on any MoneroV user than any Monero user. It's why it doesn't make any sense if the dev's are trying to expose a flaw in Monero, because MoneroV will be notably more affected by this flaw than Monero...so they're screwing over MoneroV users' privacy more while somehow claiming MoneroV has the same level of privacy as Monero when it's clear the MoneroV users are the ones taking the brunt of the MoneroV dev's executing against this flaw. Which is why anyone who understands this issue believes MoneroV to be a scam...they're claiming to be a privacy project but screwing over their own users' privacy more than Monero's (among other scam-like red flags).

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February 22, 2018, 02:10:43 PM
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"This is simple as it is. Claiming monerov may put the previous transaction history from that particular address at risk. But I think that can be quite solved by moving your monero in a new wallet around the fork and again moving it out to another intermediate wallet and back to your original wallet after the fork. And hence claiming monerov without risking your history."

I think this is exactly it. MoneroV team are doing the best they can, even exposing this flaw with Monero which is HUGE.
All they are getting is trolling and childish response from the Monero fanatics, sending new users all over.

People want to claim XMV, as it is exactly like bitcoin first fork. Makes sense to me.
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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

It's not FUD, it's simple objective logic. So far the XMV dev's have yet to address how they're going to fix the privacy issue XMV devs are creating (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE) that will impact MoneroV users more than Monero users. People who use coins from Monero might be impacted depending on how many people use the XMV gained from the chain split and the originating XMR so XMR users have every right to get angry which is why the Monero community regards this as a hostile fork...it undermines XMR's privacy and shoots XMV's privacy in the foot even worse.


First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

No, MoneroV not an official fork of Monero and at least some of us regard it as a hostile fork because as said earlier it has the potential to impact privacy of XMR, but more importantly it impacts XMV users more: https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/964484507352141825

This whole privacy issue could be avoided if they decided to start their own blockchain instead of trying to do a chain split on Monero's chain. Sumo created their own chain. Others have... it shouldn't be that hard, but XMV dev's don't care about their own users' privacy it would seem and are more interested in what seems to be a quick cash grab scheme...



This is simple as it is. Claiming monerov may put the previous transaction history from that particular address at risk. But I think that can be quite solved by moving your monero in a new wallet around the fork and again moving it out to another intermediate wallet and back to your original wallet after the fork. And hence claiming monerov without risking your history.

But isn't there a very high probability that most people won't follow that procedure?

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Another crap coin.   What is the pre-mine?

Scumbags.
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I think this is exactly it. MoneroV team are doing the best they can, even exposing this flaw with Monero which is HUGE.
All they are getting is trolling and childish response from the Monero fanatics, sending new users all over.

This cracks me up, the fork is creating this privacy issue but yet it's Monero's fault.

******* a-holes.
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Soon as MoneroV comes out our org will be starting a project to fork it.  Zero pre-mine.  
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All of these privacy questions would be coming out eventually though right? MoneroV is just the first of many forks of Monero as it gains in popularity.
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February 23, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
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The privacy largely depends on the way people uses a coin.
So let's assume monerov is for less privacy oriented users who don't mind risking the use they had done with their holdings.
And rest of the privacy centered monero user would never claim monerov.

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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh
Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.
Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.
CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.
Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Just extract the coins safely, and shut up about the rest.
These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.
Same happend with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. This has great future Grin I'd buy some if there was any pre-sale.


BTW, bounties?




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Is this mineable? Will I be credited with my Monero on cryptopia?
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Monero user will receive this fork with 1:1 right?
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Monero user will receive this fork with 1:1 right?
if you cant even read the title of this thread then you dont deserve anyone reply to you :2cents:
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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh
Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.
Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.
CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.
Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Just extract the coins safely, and shut up about the rest.
These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.
Same happend with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. This has great future Grin I'd buy some if there was any pre-sale.


BTW, bounties?






I consider monero to be one of the most decentralized and privacy focused coin.
But I'm too a believer that forking a good coin like monero is ultimately good for the crypto world.
As we'll have several chances of finding faults and several ways to counter the problems.
Though MoneroV may not have the same level of privacy as monero but it still is one of the best alternative to it.

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February 24, 2018, 04:40:09 AM
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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh

Because the Monero community has demonstrated using objective mathematical models how this split negatively impacts privacy on both chains and MoneroV users are actually more negatively impacted. MoneroV in response has claimed 'FUD' rather than offer an objective rebuttal or some solution to the problem, most likely because they can't refute the math and logic. I meanwhile have a simple solution, don't do a chain split and instead the MoneroV community should create their own blockchain from genesis. This would give MoneroV what it seems to want; it a new blockchain means no old blockchain bloat and MoneroV users remain private, but for some reason MoneroV devs have yet to explain a solution, they remain fixed on doing a chain split to their own MoneroV users' detriment.

Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

So what does this make stuff out there like BitConnect and Monero Gold to you? Surely BitConnect is the most legit crypto out there because so many 'cry' about it?  Wink

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.

Citation needed.

Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.

This is easily demonstratively false by looking at Monero's GitHub contributor history and the bi-weekly public dev meetings.

CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.

You do realize that by virtue of forking from Monero, MoneroV is CryptoNote based, right? It's even listed in the table in the MoneroV roadmap paper. Heck, even the MoneroV 'white paper' is just a link to the official 'CryptoNote' white paper Shocked

Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Again, citation needed demonstrating how much of the hashrate is made of those. Worth noting that according to MoneroV's own roadmap that the MoneroV PoW change will not happen until Q1 '19 which means it will be using the same PoW as Monero which is used by an unknown amount of botnets and browsers to mine. So MoneroV will be just as 'susceptible' as Monero to these bad miners (worth noting the browser mining isn't necessarily bad if the user agrees to it like in the case of Salon). Furthermore MoneroV fails to explain how this PoW change a year from now will somehow make it less ideal to mine for nefarious miners than it will be at chain split.

These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.

Mmm, not really. Monero community is against them because a chain split can undermine the privacy of both chains. So far all the official MoneroV Twitter account has done is cry 'FUD' rather than bring objective facts to the table.

Let's be intellectually honest here. Two groups of people, Group A and Group B have a debate. Group A says Group B's plan is bad and gives objective facts. Group B's counterargument is 'lol FUD' and fails to counter the objective facts of Group A. Who won the debate, the one with the undeniable facts or the one that just said 'FUD'?

And going back to 'concerned trolling' if all the MoneroV community can say is 'FUD' or 'concern trolling' they're committing even more logical fallacies AKA argumentum ad hominem and further demonstrating the Monero community's points...

"not everyone with a concern is a concern troll - and not every concern is unreasonable. In environments of genuine groupthink, applying the concern troll label may serve as a means of enforcing conformity and punishing (or silencing) dissent. And even without actual groupthink in play, many Internet posters find dismissing an argument much quicker and easier than evaluating it. In addition, the term "concern troll" focuses not on what the person is actually saying, but on some alleged agenda.

Thus, if misused, it is the perfect refuge for someone who has no counter to the actual argument: simply ignore the points made, allege some other position, and then accuse the other person of lying if they deny that that is what they're really saying. It's a combination of straw man and argumentum ad hominem: make up something to attack, and ignore their actual points on the basis that since the points were made by someone acting in bad faith, they need not be addressed." Taken from https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll


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February 24, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
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I am not looking to ruin the thread, but you can have a look at -

https://da-data.blogspot.de/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4r4fw9/what_is_the_monero_cripple_mine_and_fastmine/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435385.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/

BTW, Monero was first called BitMonero...

Anyway, i'm looking forward for this fork guys.
Please if there are already bounties in place publish them.
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I want to trade the new monerov as soon as the fork will happen. Where can I do this?
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Hey guys... I'm a passionate supporter of Sumo (xmr fork as well).

Prepare for some heavy fud from xmr. You will get it...

surprising absolutely no one, the morons using sumokoin  have no issues with monerov. one preminer scratching another ones back.
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February 24, 2018, 07:22:36 PM
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I want to trade the new monerov as soon as the fork will happen. Where can I do this?

It depends of course on whether or not any exchange will quickly adopt that fork. If that doesn't happen it will go through the standard procedure. If someone pays the listing fee you can trade it and if not then not.

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After the fork and release, will the new wallet require a complete blockchain download and store as is [seemingly] the case with Monero now?
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After the fork and release, will the new wallet require a complete blockchain download and store as is [seemingly] the case with Monero now?

There will be a light weight wallet which does not require you to download the whole chain

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February 24, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
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Another hardfork coin
interesting enough
maybe i will buy some Monero when snapshot begins for free money...  Grin
anyway, which exchange will support this coin ?

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Interesting. What will be the cost of this coin?

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Very interesting project. I'll keep an eye out for it!

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I just can't believe how much the monero team is obsessed with this project.
This is all great signs for a big event all the crypto community will benefit from.

Still waiting for those bounties.
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hope everything will be fine  Grin
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This looks nice project, It's time to withdraw some monero from exchange to my wallet.
I think it's price will be 1/10 of Monero. So don't miss the opportunity guys.

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Interesting. What will be the cost of this coin?

market will decide. we look forward to that..

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February 26, 2018, 11:21:10 AM
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hi guys,
this might stupid question but can some one clarifiy for me please.

1.Which wallet is best for storing Monero where i can claim XMV or the upcoming fork?I have download Windows wallet but it is taking ages i been syncing since last one week.i dont think i will able to sync whole blockchain by the fork happens.

2.It says 1 XMR = 10 XMV,but when i have 0.98 XMR will i get 9.80 XMV or should i have one complete XMR?

thanks


You can use remote node for quick sync of your GUI wallet.  See how to do it here https://getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/remote_node_gui.html

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When i can start mining?))
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February 27, 2018, 05:07:45 PM
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us am undestand....

1. MoneroV fork from Monero
2. MonoroV NO build own Node
3. to Pick XMV(with not know price) need give to "noname" person(team) my private key from wallet
4. if Node remain Monero - "noname" HAVE my wallet and my private key XMR(with price ~300$)
5. to secure XMR somehow I need move before fork from wallet(pay Fees) and move after fork back(pay Fees) my Monero (and maybe receive XMV with not know price)
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February 28, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
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Hello


Is it a good idea to buy the XMR now ?

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February 28, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
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It depends on your understanding how well you have taken in consideration all the aspects. It looks like this year we will see forked coins of all old coins which have established markets and support of large communities. It is interesting to see how it evolves in future. I start know to read about it fully over the next days.

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February 28, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
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Sounds great. Hoping for starting exchange price high. Smiley

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February 28, 2018, 03:26:41 PM
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круто )буду участвовать в этом однозначно) Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Looks like a new proper coin joining the top 20 of the crypto world.
As a early Monero investor i see this as a Monero on steroids  Grin.
When Moon?

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“We believe Monero’s infinite coin supply was a mistake and is a tax in the form of inflation for all XMR holders. This is a fundamental flaw that MoneroV fixes by putting a cap on the total MoneroV coins that can be created.”

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Afterwards, the inflation of both coins is exactly the same percentage wise until XMV hits 256 Million (XMR would be at this point 25.6 Million). After that point, MoneroV will stop inflating as it hit the max supply while Monero will keep inflating indefinitely.

I don't understand quotes like these.

Paid developers vs. volunteers. Fixing holes in protocols .... I understand these things. I'm not up to speed with the faults of Monero. If MoneroV can deliver on these two things thumbs up. But the infinite inflationary supply of Monero makes me chuckle a little. Really when any crypto says this. Inflation is the result of a widening gap between two funtions: the function of currency creation over time, the function of the creation of goods and services over time.

The function of Monero creation is logarithmic-like in nature.... if you look at a log function you wouldn't think the limit of such of function is infinity but it is. The function of goods and services creation should be somewhat correlated to the function representing human population probably factoring in certain technological advances.... the population function will probably be a sigmoidal function especially when we start to approach the carrying capacity of the planet adjusted for technological advances. But then there is the function of the goods and services that can be produced once we reach certain technological levels.... so more than likely this function is also infinite. Not to forget as people come out of poverty they will create a higher demand on goods and services.

The only way I personally see any inflationary results is if we're stuck on this planet and limited to its carrying capacity ..... and the passage of a long long long very very long time. Although I said log-like in nature... surely the beginning is, the final function is linear with a small slope. So we're trying to relate the exponential nature of inflation of fiat currencies to a linear function which is Monero's. That's not even apples and oranges. I don't see the function of Monero supply ever coming close to the function of goods and services....ever.
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March 01, 2018, 09:47:37 AM
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And another one to make the developers rich. People are really fed up with coins that have an automatic coinbase transaction split for developers. Why don't you just prove your capabilities and then raise money afterwards?

That sounds a lot harder than just paying themselves part of every block :-)
As long as users / investors don't care, this kind of crap will continue.
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Instead of dealing with the toxic dev community at Monero and trying to fix their blunder of turning Bitmonero into "Hashcashnote" (Monero). Why not just contribute to Boolberry?

Boolberry is one of the original CN projects and currently is only $1.50 a coin vs Monero's $250. It's finite coin supply is just over 11m/18.4m BBR emitted vs XMR's 16m/??. The original developer of Boolberry, crypto_zoidberg, is far more competent than any of the XMR core developers. Some believe he is the original author of the CN protocol.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg8959666#msg8959666

After a 2+ year absence from Boolberry he is now back on the project full time so there's a lot of upside potentional there:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg31322798#msg31322798

At a fundamental and technical level it is also still superior to Monero.

  • The blockchain at 3.6GB is over 90% smaller than Monero at 40GB
    http://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-reduces-blockchain-bloat
  • Boolberry like Bitcoin is a deflationary currency with a fixed finite supply where as Monero is inflationary with it's infinite coin supply. I'm not sure when it became acceptable to have an inflationary Cryptocurrency when Satoshi's original goal was to limit inflation in the hashcash protocol. In all honesty the MoneroV supporters should just come to Boolberry instead of dealing with the toxic XMR community.
  • The unlinkable outputs Zoidberg pioneered that XMR "core" downplayed is providing real privacy protections vs the false sense of security provided by Monero. I've had constructive dialog with the author of the Monero traceability report and he's confirmed with me that Boolberry is a step in the right direction with regards to privacy protection vs Monero. I will take his input as a PhD level researcher over any shill or math student from the Monero camp.
    https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/338.pdf
    https://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-solves-cryptonoteflaws-37055246
  • Due to it's superior mining algorithm, the transactions are near instant.
    http://boolberry.com/files/Block_Chain_Based_Proof_of_Work.pdf
    Navigate to section 6 of our latest paper:
    https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/1168.pdf
  • The GUI wallet that was available in 2014 works better than anything put out by Monero 4 years after the fact

Zoidberg's absence from working on Boolberry full time has created some downsides for the project relative to Monero:

  • The lack of an embedded DB solution to lower the memory footprint (Zoidberg is working on this)
  • A lack of public awareness (easily resolved with outreach efforts from the team working with Boolberry)
  • RingCT: an inefficient system for what it's trying to accomplish (the new BBR system is orders of magnitude more efficient)
  • Larger community (something that can be easily addressed when those contributing to Monero make the realization that Boolberry is the better project ran by an actual developer not an internet troll with git access)
  • Higher marketcap (something that will be resolved over time as product of active development and outreach)

Although I am now focusing on my own project I know that Boolberry has the potential (for reasons listed above) to replace Monero as the top CN project for 2018. It would make sense for any efforts to "fix" Monero to instead be directed at supporting Boolberry in this effort given that the ratio of 1XMR:250BBR one can have a much larger stake in BBR and contribute to the eventual parity and succession of Boolberry as the leader for CN based privacy.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/boolberry/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/
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Instead of dealing with the toxic dev community at Monero and trying to fix their blunder of turning Bitmonero into "Hashcashnote" (Monero). Why not just contribute to Boolberry?

answer is simple... MoneroV owner  want on copy\paste code, not do anything make BIG money(as XMR have cost)  Roll Eyes Grin Roll Eyes
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Instead of dealing with the toxic dev community at Monero and trying to fix their blunder of turning Bitmonero into "Hashcashnote" (Monero). Why not just contribute to Boolberry?

Boolberry is one of the original CN projects and currently is only $1.50 a coin vs Monero's $250. It's finite coin supply is just over 11m/18.4m BBR emitted vs XMR's 16m/??. The original developer of Boolberry, crypto_zoidberg, is far more competent than any of the XMR core developers. Some believe he is the original author of the CN protocol.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg8959666#msg8959666

After a 2+ year absence from Boolberry he is now back on the project full time so there's a lot of upside potentional there:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg31322798#msg31322798

At a fundamental and technical level it is also still superior to Monero.

  • The blockchain at 3.6GB is over 90% smaller than Monero at 40GB
    http://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-reduces-blockchain-bloat
  • Boolberry like Bitcoin is a deflationary currency with a fixed finite supply where as Monero is inflationary with it's infinite coin supply. I'm not sure when it became acceptable to have an inflationary Cryptocurrency when Satoshi's original goal was to limit inflation in the hashcash protocol. In all honesty the MoneroV supporters should just come to Boolberry instead of dealing with the toxic XMR community.
  • The unlinkable outputs Zoidberg pioneered that XMR "core" downplayed is providing real privacy protections vs the false sense of security provided by Monero. I've had constructive dialog with the author of the Monero traceability report and he's confirmed with me that Boolberry is a step in the right direction with regards to privacy protection vs Monero. I will take his input as a PhD level researcher over any shill or math student from the Monero camp.
    https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/338.pdf
    https://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-solves-cryptonoteflaws-37055246
  • Due to it's superior mining algorithm, the transactions are near instant.
    http://boolberry.com/files/Block_Chain_Based_Proof_of_Work.pdf
    Navigate to section 6 of our latest paper:
    https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/1168.pdf
  • The GUI wallet that was available in 2014 works better than anything put out by Monero 4 years after the fact

Zoidberg's absence from working on Boolberry full time has created some downsides for the project relative to Monero:

  • The lack of an embedded DB solution to lower the memory footprint (Zoidberg is working on this)
  • A lack of public awareness (easily resolved with outreach efforts from the team working with Boolberry)
  • RingCT: an inefficient system for what it's trying to accomplish (the new BBR system is orders of magnitude more efficient)
  • Larger community (something that can be easily addressed when those contributing to Monero make the realization that Boolberry is the better project ran by an actual developer not an internet troll with git access)
  • Higher marketcap (something that will be resolved over time as product of active development and outreach)

Although I am now focusing on my own project I know that Boolberry has the potential (for reasons listed above) to replace Monero as the top CN project for 2018. It would make sense for any efforts to "fix" Monero to instead be directed at supporting Boolberry in this effort given that the ratio of 1XMR:250BBR one can have a much larger stake in BBR and contribute to the eventual parity and succession of Boolberry as the leader for CN based privacy.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/boolberry/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/

Thanks for your detailed post. I had no idea about BBR and you got me interested, so I have no choice but to make some research. Cool

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How can I get MoneroV?
Anyone who holds Monero prior to the fork which will occur on block height 1529810 (~14th March 2018) will be an owner of MoneroV and will receive MoneroV coins (XMV) in the rate of 1 XMR = 10 XMV. As an example, if you hold 1 Monero coin (XMR) prior to the fork, you will own 10 MoneroV (XMV) after the fork.

OK.... So.... I bought 100 Monero 9 months ago, then sold them (all 100) 6 months ago, so I held Monero "prior to the fork".

So I will be able to claim 1,000 MoneroV when it's out..... Right?

Or. Does someone need to change the "prior to the fork" to "at the time of the fork"?
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Look, for me it was not clear yet which wallet I should store my monero for the fork, I could not find place explaining
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that scammy feeling.

a fork to drive the price of monero down.
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I say lets fork everything.
Money as open source project is a big idea. I think biggest one since invention of money.
To be able to fork project you want to improve is a  huge driving force that will make source project more secure and better tested .Thats what open source is good for.
Ultimately it will be better for technology.
Syncing monero blocks is bloody slow, got to talk to my provider.

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i think best earning moment.
b'coz join the monerov and part of monero.
so all frnds join form and social network and
earn monerov.
this token next future big coin.
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Question: so I have a Monero GUI wallet, can I make another address to get these coins with using the same installation of the GUI? Or do I have to do another one and re sync the whole blockchain to get another wallet.  Thanks!
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when we see wallet and official mining pool?
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How does a dynamic block size work without tail emission? (spoiler: it doesn't)

I won't even bother to claim my MoneroV.

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Is there any bounty? Is it possible to mine a coin? ? And will there be official mining pool?

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Is there any bounty? Is it possible to mine a coin? ? And will there be official mining pool?

Yes there are bounties you can join the official telegram https://t.me/joinchat/H4TZNQ98QfDGejxJY0CvhQ and ask from the admins in the group.. you will be able to mine xmv coins some few days after fork on the 14th of march.
There will be an XMV official pool and minergate pool is will also be joining..
Enjoy!!

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I hold XMR in a binance account, will I still receive xmv?
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I hold XMR in a binance account, will I still receive xmv?

I don't think many exchanges will support this fork. To be honest, it is not advisable to store large amount of crypto on exchanges

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I'm also waiting for official exchange announcement. XMR is booming right now.
Exchanges should support this as they see it's actually moving the thread.
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so no binance won't recognize  fork and issue me xmv?
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xmr is perfect coin.. i hope this xmv will pump it a little Smiley
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so no binance won't recognize  fork and issue me xmv?

They sid they do not have any official announcements yet.
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i wonder what will be moneroV price
it future will probably be like bitcoinggold
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i wonder what will be moneroV price
it future will probably be like bitcoinggold

I guess you cannot really know, but why bitcoin gold?
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How does a dynamic block size work without tail emission? (spoiler: it doesn't)

I won't even bother to claim my MoneroV.

Exactly!!..

As for XMV whitepaper its just a copy of cryptonote.org.. XMV has simply proposed a couple of changes to the XMR parameters.
Regarding their cap on supply is a technicality, something of which can easily be addressed with future XMR core changes, if consensus is there!
IMHO, all these forks starting with BTG has done nothing beneficial for the crypto ecosystem but dilute the original forked projects AND to confuse potential investors..
As was once said to me. Take a shit or get off the pottie! Another words.. do something new/radical/on the bleeding edge or not at all.. Dont fuck with something good. 

From what I have seen/read thus far there is nothing radically different about this project!

Heres Monero (XMR) Technical Specs [https://getmonero.org/technical-specs/] Vs MoneroV (XMV) "Proposed" Tech Specs.  Spot the difference.?

XMV:- Total Supply - Capped at 256 Million XMV (Of which about ~5.85% in a coinbase transaction for active development).
XMR:- Total Supply - Uncapped - infinite - then, tail curve: 0.6 XMR per 2-minute block, kicks in once main emission is done, translates to <1% inflation decreasing over time!!
XMR:- Community driven Bounty award fund.! Development - Ongoing/Active..!

XMV:- Proof of Work - CryptoNight (to be modified)
XMR:- Proof of Work - CryptoNight (may change in the future)

XMV:- Difficulty Retarget - Every block. Adjusted difficulty initially after the split.
XMR:- Difficulty retarget: Every block - based on the last 720 blocks, excluding 20% of the timestamp outliers

XMV:- Block Time - Every 2 minutes.  (Same as XMR)
XMR:- Every 2 minutes.  (Same as XMR)may change in the future as long as emission curve is preserved

XMV:- Block Reward - Smooth decrease. Minimum of 6 XMV per block at 184,467,440 XMV in total emission until 256M max supply reach.
XMR:- may change in the future as long as emission curve is preserved -  tail curve: 0.6 XMR per 2-minute block, kicks in once main emission is done, translates to <1% inflation decreasing over time!!

XMV:- Block Size - Dynamic.
XMR:- Block Size - Dynamic, maximum of 2 * M100

XMV:- Privacy - Ring signature / stealth addresses.
XMR:- Sender privacy - Ring signatures | Recipient privacy - Stealth addresses | Amount obfuscation - Ring confidential transactions (Mixer)



XMR > XMV swap will be trackable/Traceable. Read for insight - [https://btcmanager.com/monerov-trap-laid-monero-users/]


The general thinking & words from around the campfire is as follows:- Free XMV coins to dump and buy other alts.. BUT what do I know Wink

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March 04, 2018, 03:32:08 PM
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.
At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.
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How can I get an amount of Monero or new MoneroV without having large sums of money to invest?
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March 04, 2018, 07:19:44 PM
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How can I get an amount of Monero or new MoneroV without having large sums of money to invest?

Ah, the question of the ages.   Cheesy

I'm glad I'm not judgmental like all you smug, superficial idiots
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By the way, in addition to the recent runs of xmr in charts, a lot more mainstream media talking about the fork!

https://www.investopedia.com/news/monero-tops-350-ahead-fork/

This rise is great for monerov (and monero  Grin ) !
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What do you all think of this?



This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.
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This fork is going to send the cost of XMR to heavens!
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March 04, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

That's not what I was talking about, I know that thank you. I was talking about the part of the US gov't trying to de-anon the currency?

Thanks

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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

That's not what I was talking about, I know that thank you. I was talking about the part of the US gov't trying to de-anon the currency?

Thanks
Oh... OK...
The "large amount of private keys allows the recipient of those keys to deconstruct large portions of the XMR chain." part of this post is above my pay grade, but it sounds like total BS to me.

First of all..... How are "large portions" of XMR going to be sent to a single recipient??? I'm going to move my XMR from my old wallet to a new wallet, and I can only assume most people would do the same. There's one thing for sure, "large portions" of people aren't going to send their XMR to a single recipient!!! This makes NO sense.... They would be giving away their XMR.

I guess, maybe, a large number of people might send their XMR to their favorite exchange, claim their XMV from their old wallet, then withdrawal their XMR to a new wallet... But this would spread out the deposits to MANY exchanges, not a single recipient.

Yep.... Sounds like orchestrated FUD to me.
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LOL if it's the NSA plan i'm bullish tbh - long term hold.
But, it's not the case imho, still will hold.
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March 04, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
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We buy monero and throw off in front of the fork, will soon grow in price as ltc, the main thing to have time to throw.
this coin has a great future

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Who exactly are the devs of this project? Is the source really closed? I'm not here to Fud, these are real questions. Huh

Funny.. I asked the same exact questions on Telegram and I got kicked. Red flags people, lots of them....  Roll Eyes

I also think whoever came up with this coin name is a fucking retard.

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Who exactly are the devs of this project? Is the source really closed? I'm not here to Fud, these are real questions. Huh
Funny.. I asked the same exact questions on Telegram and I got kicked. Red flags people, lots of them....  Roll Eyes
I also think whoever came up with this coin name is a fucking retard.
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I didn't mean YOU were spreading FUD. I meant the Medium post was spreading FUD.

There are anonymous Dev's in Bitcoin. As long as there is a lot of peer review of the code, being anonymous isn't a problem.

The Closed Source aspect is a problem. At some point, they'll have to switch to Open Source. There are coins that started off Closed and switched to Open later.
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Who exactly are the devs of this project? Is the source really closed? I'm not here to Fud, these are real questions. Huh
Funny.. I asked the same exact questions on Telegram and I got kicked. Red flags people, lots of them....  Roll Eyes
I also think whoever came up with this coin name is a fucking retard.
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I didn't mean YOU were spreading FUD. I meant the Medium post was spreading FUD.

There are anonymous Dev's in Bitcoin. As long as there is a lot of peer review of the code, being anonymous isn't a problem.

The Closed Source aspect is a problem. At some point, they'll have to switch to Open Source. There are coins that started off Closed and switched to Open later.

I'd say it's worse than that - You should not be kicked & banned from a telegram channel for just asking basic questions.  I was told they could not release the source until after the fork due to "dependencies"  .... I call bullshit on that. The wallet is out, right? Where is the source for it?  I wasn't even being an asshole. Anyhow, I think this project is just some kind of scam, so I'll be watching it closely. As for all my XMRV, if I even claim them I will just dump them as shit coins. Roll Eyes

Edit: At least this thread is not moderated, that's about the only sign I see of this NOT being scammy so far.  Tongue

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I'd say it's worse than that - You should not be kicked & banned from a telegram channel for just

LOL. I saw you calling an admin a retard just now. Also bombarded with questions they were trying to answer and gave you a full faq page.
Guess they are getting used to it already. 2.2k+ members.
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I'd say it's worse than that - You should not be kicked & banned from a telegram channel for just

LOL. I saw you calling an admin a retard just now. Also bombarded with questions they were trying to answer and gave you a full faq page.
Guess they are getting used to it already. 2.2k+ members.

I asked a simple question, he gave me a retarded answer that did not make sense, so I simply asked him if he was retarded?  "Can't release source until fork because of dependencies" is really an answer from a Admin? And the wallet is already released? .... The number of silly money grubbing fools kills me sometimes....  Don't bother doing any research, it's all about the "profitz" ofc... Roll Eyes

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March 04, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
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You clearly don't seem like the patient type. He replied you with more answers but you already 'burst' with cursing. By the way, naming ppl 'retards' ain't cool.
Besides, there is no wallet available so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Here's the answer he pointed out to you -

"The Monero and MoneroV private keys, and by extension the XMR & XMV coins of holders, are completely safe as long as the official MoneroV wallet is being used to claim the MoneroV coins. The wallet’s source code and all other dependencies will be published and open sourced before it is released in its downloadable form."
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March 05, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

For me, the key part of the linked article is: "...but MoneroV operators might obtain a significant amount of knowledge about the contents of the Monero blockchain through users giving MoneroV their private keys."

So, what I guess the author of the post is saying is that we have a MORAL responsibility to NOT help (those factions of the US - as implied above by owlcatz.  Where do you find anything about the US?) who are trying to break the anonymity of Monero and that outweighs the making of some (potential) free money.

And, by logical extension, that outweighs whatever IMMORAL activities may have been paid for with Monero.

Kind of reminds me of the old comedic line, "I got mine, now you get yours."

No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.

I'm glad I'm not judgmental like all you smug, superficial idiots
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What do you all think of this?

This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf
Scary! After reading this makes me doubtful the security of this fork.  Undecided
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No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.


One of the best comments I've read in a long time.
Dumbing it down for people, it's just FUD from the community trying to avoid competition.
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what algo will this use?
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https://btcmanager.com/monerov-trap-laid-monero-users/

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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

You must have looked right over my post.

Crypto forks are a fact of life.  If Monero cannot survive a fork without endangering the exposure of its users, then it needs to be redesigned.  That is not calling anybody a "fudder."

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When exactly will the fork happen? At what time will we get the coins? thank you
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

Did you see previous messages from monerov's developers? Have you seen their updates and news page?
What arguments made by the Monero team are serious? screaming wolf is what's happening up until now.

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I am seeing Monero community not supporting this. I think it dosent matter actually like any big fork. Please go onto exchange!!
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.
At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.
Post count means nothing (imho). A criticism is still a criticism, comment still a comment.
oh, btw.. i've been at this here game since the get go. so Boo!. Wink 

"Actually Move the needle." maybe.. maybe not.
All I say is:- if your attempting to move the needle (as you say) do it off your own back & NOT by riding off the back of another project visa ve a hard-fork.
And definitely not at the risk of potentially damaging the reputation of a well established community.

MoneroV is like a parasite, using the host to grow without giving back to said host. Even using the same "Monero" brand name!

Usually, devs see an opportunity to fork a prosperous coin just to get a jump start with their own agenda. After said project gets forked they leave it to slowly wither away and do a "duck & cover" with all the "already Allocated" dev funds etc.

BUT this is crypto, should be used to this kind of shit. AND if this is how things move along well then so be it. It's still pretty shitty IMO.

Who are the devs behind this project anyway?
Who will control the 5.859375%% fund?
What will it be used for (Specifically)?
How will consensis be gathered/attained?


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5.859375% of the total supply of MoneroV coins, using it to enhance the development of all
future works.
This will enable MoneroV to rapidly develop many urgent tasks in the form of developer
bounties, adding many paid full-time developers to the team.
● 66.6% of the funds mined by the development team will be proportionally distributed to
all team members and contributors.
● 33.3% of the funds mined by the development team will be transferred to a multisignature
wallet, with the private view key being released to the public.
● All future expenses such as storage costs and developer bounties will be detailed and
transparent.
Most of the bounties will go to developers and third-party services, like storage and security
services. The core mission of MoneroV is to rapidly add features and fix the current Monero
drawbacks. Although market forces will eventually price XMV, we have brought many expert
developers onboard, and are welcoming many more to join the team prior to the launch.
Future development:
● Web wallet & Light wallet
● PoW modification
● MimbleWimble integration

A few of the overheads/running costs specified (above) cost next to nothing to implement & maintain properly.
Monero already has a dev fund and works pretty well from what I have witnessed, Bounties fulfilled and work funded for foreseeable future #Anonimal's Kovri

https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/86967/anonimal-s-kovri-full-time-development-funding-thread

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33.3% of the funds mined by the development team will be transferred to a multisignature wallet
humm....

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The core mission of MoneroV is to rapidly add features and fix the current Monero drawbacks
Fix what exactly? OR is this code for wanting XMR clone with lower TX fee's maybe?
What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

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we have brought many expert developers onboard
Okey, Who are they, what is their background?
Its important for the community to know this kind of information prior to launch, do you agree?

This post is not FUDDING. It's just how I see this project..
Well, Actually, maybe a little of my own Fear & Uncertainty and definitely Doubt.
My comments\observations are not intentionally served for creating FUD.  But rather genuine & valid concerns about one of my favorite projects XMR !!

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March 05, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
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Please make sure both cast xmr and xmr stuck will be bug free to mine with.
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March 06, 2018, 11:04:11 AM
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.

I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

I'm defending Monero because I use it almost every day and have for the past few years.

At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.

You really think so? I think it's just a way for the 'developers' to make a quick buck. Monero has an excellent group of developers and researchers, and the MoneroV developers currently have nothing to show for themselves.

What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

Your XMR will be safe, but it can hurt your privacy. There's a patch prepared for Monero which fixes things though.

What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

I don't think that Monero is perfect (yet). Scaling is a real issue because of the transaction sizes, bulletproofs will help things but it'll still be behind Bitcoin and most other coins.

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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.

I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

I'm defending Monero because I use it almost every day and have for the past few years.

At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.

You really think so? I think it's just a way for the 'developers' to make a quick buck. Monero has an excellent group of developers and researchers, and the MoneroV developers currently have nothing to show for themselves.

What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

Your XMR will be safe, but it can hurt your privacy. There's a patch prepared for Monero which fixes things though.

What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

I don't think that Monero is perfect (yet). Scaling is a real issue because of the transaction sizes, bulletproofs will help things but it'll still be behind Bitcoin and most other coins.

both Monero and their devs are overrated and even a fork couldnt fix that coin.
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Please if you guys can say what exact time can we point mining rigs and where.  Thank you!
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Is the rise of monero related to the fork? Do you do giveaways and airdrops?
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When will we be able to mine moneroV?

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I'm waiting patiently on buying into the post fork dip, that's where the real gain will be I think. Somewhere near the $250 mark I'd hope.

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What a great idea

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Any updates or more clarity about the fork ?

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So much FUD! This is getting more interesting by the second.
I do think they should postpone the fork to allow more people having a go at this.
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I participate in the 1st round of landing. When will the next 3 out of 4 rounds take place? And in general will they? After all, do you want to burn coins? ..

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both Monero and their devs are overrated and even a fork couldnt fix that coin.

Please elaborate on why you think that.

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I participate in the 1st round of landing. When will the next 3 out of 4 rounds take place? And in general will they? After all, do you want to burn coins? ..

What are you talking about? The only way to 'get' MoneroV is by holding Monero at the time of the snapshot.
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I participate in the 1st round of landing. When will the next 3 out of 4 rounds take place? And in general will they? After all, do you want to burn coins? ..

What are you talking about? The only way to 'get' MoneroV is by holding Monero at the time of the snapshot.

https://monerov.org/ & https://goo.gl/8iSoZE

Fake ?
If this is true, then the ethereal wallet will help?

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Another new account here, yea Wink So, until now I was only reading, learning making conclusions on the topics I was interested in, however, I will speak up my voice on this one. This is STRAIGHT UP SCAM, money grab and in the same time it will hurt the anonymity of the Monero users who fall for it.

I support Monero, from the moment I got into crypto. I think the privacy coins are the future because the status quo is all about controlling the people... sorry, back to the main topic - don't let you be sucked into bullshit forks like this by the greed for getting free money. They will not cost anything 2 weeks after the fork.

Glad to see the community group together against this, shout out to the pool owners (f.e.).

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I participate in the 1st round of landing. When will the next 3 out of 4 rounds take place? And in general will they? After all, do you want to burn coins? ..

What are you talking about? The only way to 'get' MoneroV is by holding Monero at the time of the snapshot.

https://monerov.org/ & https://goo.gl/8iSoZE

Fake ?
If this is true, then the ethereal wallet will help?


This ( https://monerov.org ) is the only real MoneroV, the second one you shared is just a phishing attempt.
They addressed it on twitter https://twitter.com/monero_v/status/969603607824871425
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I hope that all wallets for major OS's will be available at launch at the same time

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I hope that all wallets for major OS's will be available at launch at the same time
Ye, 2 minutes before the fork, so nobody have the time to see what is all about ..
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Hi, Which wallet can we use, or does this rewquire another?
If so, how do I get it?
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A project with good features, but I do not understand why the MoneroV project adheres to the economic principle of an Austrian primary school?

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What a total scam project.

"MoneroV fulfills the long overdue desire for a truly anonymous, decentralized, finite peer-to-peer electronic currency"

Yeah that hasn't been done over and over yet.
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Hi, Which wallet can we use, or does this rewquire another?
If so, how do I get it?


hello you can this https://mymonero.com/#/ or https://getmonero.org/ .

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A project with good features, but I do not understand why the MoneroV project adheres to the economic principle of an Austrian primary school?

1+1=2 nursery school but still important buddy!

the economic principle says limited supply more value... be it primary, secondary or university this remains true

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My thought on this is that all forks are dumb. Why not make your own coin, platform and name? This is a cash grab and I think some people might lose their coins by exposing their private keys. Beware.

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March 08, 2018, 06:35:33 AM
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My thought on this is that all forks are dumb. Why not make your own coin, platform and name? This is a cash grab and I think some people might lose their coins by exposing their private keys. Beware.

Starting from a scrash is a brave choice..but there is no need re-writing the codes when there is still some good in them...

simple; fork and do away with the annoying part keep the useful part and add more interesting/helpful things .. that's the deal..

no one is going to loss anything if they follow all the safety fork measures .

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March 08, 2018, 06:44:01 AM
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Any exchange to support the fork?

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March 08, 2018, 11:45:39 AM
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What if a Monero owner do not apply to get his airdrop?
The developers get them for free???
It says that on the airdrop, there will be 175million coin.
But many Monero owners don't know anyting about this airdrop.
And many of them think this as a scam...
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March 08, 2018, 04:18:35 PM
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Any exchange to support the fork?

I think they are still yet to announce.
Believe that having the fork later will be better so they can secure a large exchange
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March 08, 2018, 04:22:19 PM
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Why is there talk about this fork being a scam to steal your Monero?

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March 08, 2018, 05:57:17 PM
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Monero die-hard fans spreading fud basically. Nothing too different from bitcoin cash fork in terms of security/privacy.
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March 08, 2018, 06:14:27 PM
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March 08, 2018, 08:03:35 PM
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What if a Monero owner do not apply to get his airdrop?
The developers get them for free???
It says that on the airdrop, there will be 175million coin.
But many Monero owners don't know anyting about this airdrop.
And many of them think this as a scam...

no one except the person in control on the xmr private key can claim it respective xmv.. if that is you, then if you don't claim it no one will claim it and it will forever remain unclaimed

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