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November 16, 2019, 10:37:14 PM
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And that is the opposite of what they want, governments cannot tax your wealth directly, they have tried in the past and people have always been strongly opposed to this, so they had to figure out how to tax what you have saved in fiat and they found their solution in inflation, if they print 3% more money then there is a 3% inflation and your money will lose as much purchasing power, they are effectively stealing your wealth and the only way to protect you from this is by not holding fiat and hold something else.
Strong point you made there. Inflation is a hidden form of taxation, which is something the majority of the people don't know about because it's not something that they are made aware of at school.

I think that's done on purpose to keep people ignorant and vanish a percentage of their purchasing power every single year, and that while the same governments hoard gold to escape from their own financial mismanagement.

At least, I'm glad that Bitcoin made people more aware of the financial system and how rotten it actually is. It's a tiny drop in the ocean still, but it's getting better every single day that goes by.

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November 17, 2019, 04:32:11 AM
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Strong point you made there. Inflation is a hidden form of taxation, which is something the majority of the people don't know about because it's not something that they are made aware of at school.

I think that's done on purpose to keep people ignorant and vanish a percentage of their purchasing power every single year, and that while the same governments hoard gold to escape from their own financial mismanagement.

At least, I'm glad that Bitcoin made people more aware of the financial system and how rotten it actually is. It's a tiny drop in the ocean still, but it's getting better every single day that goes by.


Basically fiat money has no meaning (worthless). Fiat money is just a piece of paper or a coin bearing a certain value. The new value has meaning if he can give you something: exchange it for food, clothing, and other needs.

Poor countries with weak economies, its fiat value tends to continue to weaken against the country whose economies are stronger such as the US Dollar, Japanese Yen, Euro. These weak state assets are very cheap because their value is measured by their weak fiat value. Cheap assets, very easily controlled by foreign countries that have stronger fiat money.

Inflation is often called a hidden tax and is considered the worst tax because most people are not even aware of the impact on the money they have. Inflation also has a positive impact on state revenue. inflation has a positive effect on VAT receipts. This is because if there is an increase in the inflation rate, it will automatically increase the selling price, which is the basis for VAT Tax Imposition.

Through the two fiat and inflation mechanisms, a poor country will get poorer, so will the poor population continue to multiply and increasingly because they also continue to be taxed by what is called inflation.

To break this chain what can be done; Countries and all institutions in it (including private institutions), no longer calculate their wealth with a measuring instrument whose value is biased like fiat money. Use a standard measuring instrument such as gold. Thus the value of the country's wealth is maintained and cannot be mocked through the 'price' of fiat money on the market.

The state must be able to reduce inflation to its lowest point so as not to burden its population with inflation as a 'hidden tax' for the entire population. The use of money that has intrinsic value is one solution because the use of currencies that have intrinsic value will initially stop the process of impoverishment further. With the next hard work, prosperity will be distributed evenly for the entire population.

In my opinion, a good economic system is an economic system that can create equity for access to capital, access to markets and access to the same values.

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November 17, 2019, 01:24:25 PM
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In a world economy where what governs is debt, and part of inflation, it is best to protect yourself with Bitcoin, some give options better known as gold, it is valid, but an economy where it is managed by debt and fraction of inflation the best It is a deflationary economy.
And that is the opposite of what they want, governments cannot tax your wealth directly, they have tried in the past and people have always been strongly opposed to this, so they had to figure out how to tax what you have saved in fiat and they found their solution in inflation, if they print 3% more money then there is a 3% inflation and your money will lose as much purchasing power, they are effectively stealing your wealth and the only way to protect you from this is by not holding fiat and hold something else.
Citizens pay tax on every facility they avail. Every product that they buy includes tax. Every mobile recharge, electricity bills, gas bills, medicines and all that can be imagined has tax on it. So it is impossible to run away from this. It is also not a bad thing as long as the government is not corrupted. Inflation is a separate problem. This can be solved by introducing blockchain technology.
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November 17, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
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Money is money, there is no difference. Cryptocurrency (just like Bitcoin) is money as well and there is no difference.
If we should switch from Fiat to cryptocurrency we are still going to face the same thing we are facing and maybe even worse.

Some people think that if the world should start making use of cryptocurrency there will no longer be debts to be paid and everyone in the world will become rich, well that's not true. When the world starts making use of cryptocurrency, your debt that you owe will still be there for you to pay, the only thing that is going to change is that transaction will be fast and transparent, but you won't be protected if it should be anonymous (well I know for sure that it wouldn't ,because the government will regulate it).
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November 20, 2019, 04:14:44 PM
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In a world economy where what governs is debt, and part of inflation, it is best to protect yourself with Bitcoin, some give options better known as gold, it is valid, but an economy where it is managed by debt and fraction of inflation the best It is a deflationary economy.
And that is the opposite of what they want, governments cannot tax your wealth directly, they have tried in the past and people have always been strongly opposed to this, so they had to figure out how to tax what you have saved in fiat and they found their solution in inflation, if they print 3% more money then there is a 3% inflation and your money will lose as much purchasing power, they are effectively stealing your wealth and the only way to protect you from this is by not holding fiat and hold something else.
Citizens pay tax on every facility they avail. Every product that they buy includes tax. Every mobile recharge, electricity bills, gas bills, medicines and all that can be imagined has tax on it. So it is impossible to run away from this. It is also not a bad thing as long as the government is not corrupted. Inflation is a separate problem. This can be solved by introducing blockchain technology.
You are right when you say that you cannot avoid paying taxes because everything is taxed by the government but at least when it comes to things that you buy you have a choice, you can choose what car to drive, how much electricity you use and what food to eat, but in the great scheme of things the most damaging tax by far is inflation because it is cumulative and if you don't believe me you just have to see what you could buy with a dollar 30 years ago and what you can buy with it now.
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November 20, 2019, 07:36:43 PM
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Money is money, there is no difference. Cryptocurrency (just like Bitcoin) is money as well and there is no difference.
If we should switch from Fiat to cryptocurrency we are still going to face the same thing we are facing and maybe even worse.

Some people think that if the world should start making use of cryptocurrency there will no longer be debts to be paid and everyone in the world will become rich, well that's not true. When the world starts making use of cryptocurrency, your debt that you owe will still be there for you to pay, the only thing that is going to change is that transaction will be fast and transparent, but you won't be protected if it should be anonymous (well I know for sure that it wouldn't ,because the government will regulate it).




Bitcoin is not money! 
Money is USA dollar and eur.
If You Want to get dollar you dont pay some fee to get 10 usd... You just exchange it with other people.
To get btc u pay high fee
Btc has problems...  Its slow and highly volatile! 
Fiat currency will never disapere, When there is crisis then fiat currency is Even more sacred!
At the crisis or Economic turn down fiat currency will have Even more purache power.

Bitcoin is classification likely as Property but not Money! 

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November 21, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
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In a world economy where what governs is debt, and part of inflation, it is best to protect yourself with Bitcoin, some give options better known as gold, it is valid, but an economy where it is managed by debt and fraction of inflation the best It is a deflationary economy.
And that is the opposite of what they want, governments cannot tax your wealth directly, they have tried in the past and people have always been strongly opposed to this, so they had to figure out how to tax what you have saved in fiat and they found their solution in inflation, if they print 3% more money then there is a 3% inflation and your money will lose as much purchasing power, they are effectively stealing your wealth and the only way to protect you from this is by not holding fiat and hold something else.
Citizens pay tax on every facility they avail. Every product that they buy includes tax. Every mobile recharge, electricity bills, gas bills, medicines and all that can be imagined has tax on it. So it is impossible to run away from this. It is also not a bad thing as long as the government is not corrupted. Inflation is a separate problem. This can be solved by introducing blockchain technology.
You are right when you say that you cannot avoid paying taxes because everything is taxed by the government but at least when it comes to things that you buy you have a choice, you can choose what car to drive, how much electricity you use and what food to eat, but in the great scheme of things the most damaging tax by far is inflation because it is cumulative and if you don't believe me you just have to see what you could buy with a dollar 30 years ago and what you can buy with it now.
Tax is basically that money which we give to government in exchange of anything we buy. Inflation on the other hand happens when the currency of a country loses its worth. Obviously this will make the products and services more expensive. It also increases the tax. So basically one thing triggers the other. Ultimately everything or economy specially is controlled by the government of a country. We can only escape from this problem by using cryptocurrency that are decentralized in nature.
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