Total disorder in the french forum Looking to see something done definitely.

[LeGaulois]

I am sorry to open a topic like this one to complain but I will appreciate seeing something done regarding a problem we have in the French forum, since like a year (or maybe more). I say "I" but I should use "We", yes We are tired to have a forum where it is the total disorder.

I translate here a comment I posted some days ago to give an overview what's going on in the French forum:

I meant the French section in general:

For example, in the "Beginner to Bitcoin" section which is described as "Forums for beginners only: this is where you should ask your questions if you are new to the world of Bitcoin".

You'll find everything: from member introduction (while we have a section dedicated to this) to defining what is a bounty for ICOs  (while we have a section dedicated to this: altcoins), topics about what VPNs to buy  (while we have a better section to such discussion: Off topics) or what about the ranks in the forum and topics about mining (while we have a section dedicated to this)

Also with the section "General discussion"s and use of Bitcoin which is described as "General questions about the Bitcoin protocol and how it works? Any opinions to share on wallets and other softs / services?"

There are topics about airdrops, ripple, etc... (I repeat: (while we have a section dedicated to this))

Again? In the Development and Technology section, which is described as "Share your tips and tools with other developers." you'll find people asking for tips on how to find bounty campaigns.

I am not even going to talk about the altcoins section...

We are just very tired and frustrated, I think we deserve to have a forum really moderated, isn't? Can't even read a section of our interest since we get unrelated topics. (If I am going to surf the dev. section I am not looking to find topics about VPNs, a bounty, or a topic spammed with faucets referral links)

Now I see you coming to say "Report" do this, do that... It's doesn't work, nothing is done, I repeat nothing is done, the guy doesn't care.
It's not mandated to be active with posting, but at least do what you're supposed to do. What's going on?

Several times, members asked for a better organization in the altcoins sections with maybe sub-sections. He isn't interested, an Altcoin section basically doesn't deserve a place in the forum (since bitcointalk is for Bitcoin)

Oh well, you are not supposed to decide following your own interest but the members, you are not alone in, it's a forum community, not your twitter feed.

There are 4 topics complaining about the no-moderation in our section (I know you don't speak French but it's just to show that's it's an old and recurring problem the community would like to see it fixed, once for good)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2930003.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2436163.msg24947101
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819013.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2071952.0

I am not even considering the multiple discussions we have in PMs

we will really appreciate if Theymos or anyone do something. #MakeTheFrenchForumGreatAgain :/
Again, I am sorry to complain I don't think I often do and if you think I often do then deal with it, I am French ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[asche]

I can't agree more with LeGaulois. It is really hard to find anything in the french section right now.
This is really uneffective and an issue that should be adressed.

I am active in several languages sections, and right now french is the worst. I really hope something is done to keep our section clean and neat, for the greater good

[Jet Cash]

This is common to quite a lot of the boards. Surely it can't be too difficult to move threads onto the correct boards.

How about a 24 hour warning ban for posters that are in flagrant breach of the board guidelines.

[asche]

This is common to quite a lot of the boards. Surely it can't be too difficult to move threads onto the correct boards.

How about a 24 hour warning ban for posters that are in flagrant breach of the board guidelines.

This would be awesome if there was someone to do the moving / banning.

[JohnUser]

This is common to quite a lot of the boards. Surely it can't be too difficult to move threads onto the correct boards.

How about a 24 hour warning ban for posters that are in flagrant breach of the board guidelines.

Look like it's too difficult for him.

It has been over 10 months that our moderator hasn't done anything and don't want anyone to help him, so we need a new one in the french subforum.

It's an unbelievable mess, nothing is at the right place, newbie can't understand how the forum or bitcoin works, old one's have to read ann in english because in french our moderator don't want to create a simple sub [ANN] (why do people pay for translation to french?), he doesn't want to pin important messages, he doesn't want anything we ask him since months and months.. and he also doesn't want anyone to help him.

He also said that if he can he would delete the ann section.. Do you believe this ?

Don't know what to say more..

[trankil_]

totally agree with Legaulois

[Aerys2]

This forum would definitely need some strong moderation

[Anarchist]

+1
It's over a year the french forum isn't moderated by the moderator. Once he said he is not interested to read the altcoin section so how he can moderate without even take some minutes to read (OOOOh he waits for the members to do his job by clicking the report button which nobody is using since nothing it's done. Now it's a forum for how to Make Money Online ):

[JohnUser]

This forum would definitely need some strong moderation

Why strong ? We don't have any more french moderator, so only a little bit moderation would be welcome. Not someone who say "guys you can use the report button" and that don't care with the rest, that don't deal with us, that don't want to pin any message, whatever we all ask him it's "NO" (in fact he doesn't answer).

The french moderator is like Satoshi for us, we are not sure he really exist.

[Lauda]

Given that most sections are essentially broken, the trust system is being completely played by backroom collusions and whatnot, the forum is a few little steps away of being the Bitcoin-Wild-West-Talk[1]. Account farming? Fine. Spamming? Fine. Scamming? Fine. Just make sure you don't offend anyone with your posts or you will be called a lying, racist, shady, trust-whatever-farming user that should be jailed. Liberalists at their finest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[1] Therefore, nobody should be surprised that this affects your local board as the situation is similar in plenty of boards.

[LeGaulois]

@Lauda

The French section is not very annoying and can be moderated easily, people are fine and calm but now it's even worse than the English forum. Imagine yourself.
 
It's simple when you let people doing "whatever they want" 1 time, 2 times, 3 times, no matter if they are doing something wrong it becomes "normal to do it" After 1 year of laxity this is what we get as a result...

Try to visit the section "Development & Technical Discussion" to create a topic asking where to find a bounty campaign, and wait to see what achow101 will do with it 

We aren't asking a lot, just something moderated. It doesn't take 30 minutes to move a topic, clicking few buttons. If you don't have time for some reasons (which is normal) then say it, ask for help, I don't know. But don't abandon your duty without telling us.

If a section can't be moderated then I think it's better to close it

[ludbega]

The French section is not very annoying and can be moderated easily

I totally agree with that as well. I think we need sub-headings and someone to finally! sort through the topics.

By the way, we hope that merit solves this, but until then, can we have someone present and ready to sort it out! This is starting to get boring! Thank you

[hilariousetc]

I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.

[scutzi128]

I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.

that's exactly what our moderator said to us in August 2017;

C'est justement parce que c'est une poubelle actuellement qu'il faudrait l'arranger...
Avec soit des sous-categories comme démandé par les membres, soit un modérateur/éboueur dédié à cette section qui accepte de mettre les mains dedans.

C'est justement ce que je disais : si vous trouvez que c'est une poubelle et qu'il n'y a pas de reports c'est que tout le monde s'en fout.
Commencez par reporter des posts et quand il y en aura trop on verra pour recruter d'autres modérateurs si besoin...


Sinon pour info j'ai envoyé un message à un membre en juin pour savoir si il voulait devenir modo pour me filer un coup de main, voici un extrait de sa réponse :

C'est gentil d'avoir pensé à moi, mais non merci!

Spécialement quand je vois à quel point les personnes:
- ne prennent pas le temps de faire un minimum de recherches/d'observations avant de poster leur sujet/questions
- ne prennent pas le temps de s'exprimer correctement en français (sur un forum c'est difficilement excusable), oublient donc qu'ils seront lus,
- sont agressives et chatouilleuses sur leurs connaissances

(Mais c'est général sur tous les forums, malheureusement.)

Quoiqu'il en soit, avoir un nouveau modérateur, voir même deux, pour t'épauler serait une bonne idée car j'imagine que c'est loin d'être rose pour toi tous les jours.

Si je pense à d'autres candidats je leur proposerais p'tete à l'accasion, mais comme le rappelle Meuh6879 à la base c'est un forum Bitcoin ici (et si ça ne tenait qu'à moi la section altcoins serait fermée...), donc je ne pense pas que j'irais chercher un membre qui est plus actif dans la section altcoins que dans le reste du forum, ni quelqu'un qui semble ici que pour faire augmenter son nombre de post (ie : campagne de signature payantes qui générent pas mal de spams)

translation of his answer (bold part) : "that's exactly what I said : if you wonder that french forum is a juke and there is no report then no one give a damn about. start by reporting posts and when there will be too much we will see for a new moderator...". nothing moved from this time.
he adds at the end of the quote (another bold part) that "if it only depends of me, altcoins section should be closed"

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in fact, that's interesting : it draws a line between two behaviors;
we could let things go as they are right now, despite users claim (and that is what longs from now a year), we could do nothing or just satisfied ourselves with what we already have (like "report to moderator" and... that's pretty the only thing we have).
or we could try something new about, something we ask from now a relative long period, and in this exact case, just engaging new moderator, create 2/3 subsections for altcoins, and modifying 2/3 sections to make them more accurate for 80% of new threads.

I also understand that french section appears to be in good condition in surface, but our asking is real.
imo it's more important to prevent decline of our local section. New users always ask for same questions, and I understand why; just for instance, we got a thread "Frequently asked questions" pinned at top of "New users" section; it shows answers to questions that you could ask yourself in 2012!
Another instance is that we got a messy altcoin section, and that's impossible to follow anything in this section. I'm also thinking about poor new members who comes into, and just give up. (Guys, I know it's a bitcoin forum, but altcoins are here, that's a fact, and we can't subtract them from our eyes, so I'm not reconsidering bitcoin's position, just saying that our alt section deserves order to be clear and pleased users experiences).

The real thing is, and I pointed it out many times, we have a nice community, and we already do a great job by trying without any moderation to keep our forum clear, but that's not possible anymore right now.
Now about 90% of our section think the same thing, and that's pretty rough, because it's brake a lot our activity.

[JohnUser]

I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.

You didn't see any reports from us because we have try to deal with our actual moderator and between us in intern.
We also did votes with 85% for a new moderator : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2436163.msg24947101

We are all outraged with that one WHO DON'T CARE WITH US - sorry for uppercase's but it's the only thing to say. The rest is not really important.

[LeGaulois]

I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.

@hilariousetc
Thank you but reporting for what? People stopped to do it long ago when we noticed nothing is done. We can't keep clicking the report button if nothing happens after. Just to check I tried some days ago with several posts, and guess what, nothing, nada, zero, quedal...

[soy]

Hi guys, I don't come here to write a hundredth 15 lines message about our complex situation, because everything has already been said by my top buddies. I just come to claim you that NO, the current system in the local french board isn't working since the great affluence of bitcointalk last summer. Our moderator kcud_dab is no longer doing his job enough.

It's perfectly understandable that he doesn't have time or desire to do it anymore. We all have a private life with all these constraints... and no one can blame him.

But when you don't do the work anymore, you have to leave your job.

We have a lot of old users (who are very invested and who bring a lot to the bitcointalk french community since many years), who would be willing to do this work. So, for the last time, help us to make the French section as beautiful and well-ordered as yours. This is a win-win situation for the whole bitcointalk community.

soy

[rouhaud]

Reports are not a solution in the french section, i don't know where all this report are lost, but it's a mess other there. I stopped posting in the french section in a regular basis due to that.
there is a lot more posting in English parts of the forum but every post are done in the right section.

I will not blame the actual modo as soy said it's a hard job and we can all understand that he don't have time or will to continue to do it.
But on the other way we deserve a local board as clean and well moderate as other local board.

I also can understand that he is a bitcoin believer and don't like alts, but why French section should be a victim of his own believe,
Alts section is available in every language, and is now probably the section with the more new content,
if he don't want to take part to it, it's his own decision
but the french community should not suffer from it.

we open this thread because we think that something as to be done from the core-team of the forum about this, and i hope that our consideration will be listen.

[ludbega]

But when you don't do the work anymore, you have to leave your job.

I could never agree with you more. I am sorry for the moderator, but either he decides to do his moderation work, or someone else does his job.

I have no other interest in being able to read comfortably without having to sort between the eternal requests for airdrop. If I abuse in another part, I am cropped, if I post something irreferent, it is deleted.

Here, just something viable, 2-3 more sections, and someone who takes care of the troublemakers.

[JohnUser]

I am sorry for the moderator, but either he decides to do his moderation work, or someone else does his job.

With near one year he doesn't do anything for the french forum, why would we trust him? It's too late, we need someone else.