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February 17, 2018, 12:43:25 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1076869

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2895261.msg29766601#msg29766601



why dont mods do nothing for these clowns?
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February 17, 2018, 01:07:15 AM
Last edit: February 20, 2018, 08:45:51 AM by Lauda
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why dont mods do nothing for these clowns?
This case reveals something about EFS, who I assume has already seen the thread and did nothing. I spy with my little eye. Smiley

I need a non automated translation of that thread. If[1] this is truly the case, both the senders and OP need to be tagged IMO. That would be all of these:
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OP: pitipawn
Merited by mich (50), fullypak (33), ap3311 (25), PrintMule (20), saulzaents (12), bobita (9), hirozaki faraday (Cool, longthu (7), SimonBeCoinin (6), mela65 (6), valley365 (5), newcasinobitcoin (5), slmn (4), polat90 (4), Elysio (3), kesh.zombie (3), twiifm (2), hidrocop (2), frtmr (2), avalonn (2), Asklepion (2), anu (1), dannybrown (1), Arksun (1), DarkXen (1), Uhde (1), dewildance (1), PHI1618 (1), xumit (1), Alosa (1), ParaHerif (1), nekominer (1), jopen (1), Easx (1), Metazen (1), brave77 (1), Renovatioo (1), PowerLike (1), KASAP (1), vipganyan (1), legaltrk (1)

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February 17, 2018, 01:18:41 AM
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I can see merits being used as a currency in the future.
I mean, they behave almost the same as a coin. They are created in a limited fashion, are trade-able and people want them.
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February 17, 2018, 01:23:01 AM
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I can see merits being used as a currency in the future.
I mean, they behave almost the same as a coin. They are created in a limited fashion, are trade-able and people want them.
The minute that we allow this, is the minute that the merit system has completely failed its purpose and this forum is on a spiraling to a free-for-all shithole filled with *whatever-world spamming idiots*. Here's a message for the users that allow this.



Add a little tune to that.

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February 17, 2018, 02:56:35 AM
Last edit: February 17, 2018, 05:52:40 AM by Betfair
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same guy opened a thread and begged for merits weeks ago Smiley now he made this thread in marketplace and ppl still sending merits to get 5x 10x ICO picks from him.
EFS always says he cant do anything about local forum.I also reported this same guy for using profanity almost on every post.
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February 17, 2018, 03:35:53 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2CZn966cUg


Top-merited users, recent merit
1496: theymos
686: Lutpin
579: satoshi
432: pitipawn
413: Lauda
374: nullius
331: TMAN
324: explorder
293: Vod

EDIT: fake ones can suck my head   Cheesy


EDIT: hahaha , the ones i did trash talk comes back again with the new accounts Cheesy



        
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Yes guys

do not underestimate my power anymore...

                                                                                                          
In this thread related or not related anyone posting something and send some merits

if i reach 147 im gonna tell you guys ICO pick.

if its 167  i ll post one more ICO..

This is how we gonna do this. first of all should i post 3x ICO from the beginning or 1x ICO..Whatever just playing with guys im not gonna give you anything now.
 Cheesy



Wherever i post send merits and each 20 merits im gonna write ICO pick.

Come on lets do this..





*PPL WHO SENT MERIT TO ME ,TONIGHT IM GONNA PM YOU ICO PICKS   Wink    


'IM GONNA SEND PICKS TO ONES WHO SAID WISH I HAD MERIT Sad '   I CAN SEND YOU SOME BUT I DONT HAVE ANY   Smiley


Who criticized this im gonna send those Nigerian ICOs 1 eth = 1000 nigger dick
you send 5eth  , next night your momma gets  5000 nigger dick. you stupid motherfuckers hahahahhahahaha

SPECIAL OFFER !!! who gets our infamous nigerian ico gets 5cm less nigger dick for their mommas.


EDIT 2 :ladies and gentlemen.Nothing is free in this world.I dont like anyone gets free something because of that im gonna send you ICOs only via PM.
2 SURE PICKS min 3x (i bet they would make 5x but im promising you 3x return at least )

EDİT 3:

YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

I SENT THE ICO PICKS THE ONES WHO SENT MERITS
SENT 4 ICO ALREADY



EACH ONE GETS YOU 3X IN RETURN , ONCE ICOs ENDED IM GONNA PUBLICLY SHARE THOSE SO YOU CAN SEE I FAILED OR NOT IM GONNA BE HERE ALWAYS..



anyone says oh shit i missed this opportunity have to send minimum 5 MERIT after this now.


NOTE: IF ANYONE SHARES MY PICKS SOMEWHERE ELSE I WILL END THIS.




COME ON!!!


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February 17, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
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same guy opened a thread and begged for merits weeks ago Smiley
Do you have a link and/or translation for this?

EFS always says he cant do anything about local forum.
He does not want to do anything*.

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February 17, 2018, 11:53:54 AM
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same guy opened a thread and begged for merits weeks ago Smiley
Do you have a link and/or translation for this?

EFS always says he cant do anything about local forum.
He does not want to do anything*.

I updated my previous post with the translation.
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February 17, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
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same guy opened a thread and begged for merits weeks ago Smiley
Do you have a link and/or translation for this?

EFS always says he cant do anything about local forum.
He does not want to do anything*.
I updated my previous post with the translation.
There are users like nullius and then there is this guy. Damn this guy is trolling the merit system real bad. Cut that jibber jabber shit and you'll find this:
do not underestimate my power anymore...                                                                                                       
In this thread related or not related anyone posting something and send some merits

if i reach 147 im gonna tell you guys ICO pick.

if its 167  i ll post one more ICO..

This is how we gonna do this. first of all should i post 3x ICO from the beginning or 1x ICO..Whatever just playing with guys im not gonna give you anything now.
 Cheesy
Wherever i post send merits and each 20 merits im gonna write ICO pick.
Come on lets do this..
*PPL WHO SENT MERIT TO ME ,TONIGHT IM GONNA PM YOU ICO PICKS   Wink   
'IM GONNA SEND PICKS TO ONES WHO SAID WISH I HAD MERIT Sad '   I CAN SEND YOU SOME BUT I DONT HAVE ANY   Smiley
Who criticized this im gonna send those Nigerian ICOs 1 eth = 1000 nigger dick
you send 5eth  , next night your momma gets  5000 nigger dick. you stupid motherfuckers hahahahhahahaha
SPECIAL OFFER !!! who gets our infamous nigerian ico gets 5cm less nigger dick for their mommas.
EDIT 2 :ladies and gentlemen.Nothing is free in this world.I dont like anyone gets free something because of that im gonna send you ICOs only via PM.
2 SURE PICKS min 3x (i bet they would make 5x but im promising you 3x return at least )
EDİT 3:
YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
I SENT THE ICO PICKS THE ONES WHO SENT MERITS
SENT 4 ICO ALREADY
EACH ONE GETS YOU 3X IN RETURN , ONCE ICOs ENDED IM GONNA PUBLICLY SHARE THOSE SO YOU CAN SEE I FAILED OR NOT IM GONNA BE HERE ALWAYS..
anyone says oh shit i missed this opportunity have to send minimum 5 MERIT after this now.

NOTE: IF ANYONE SHARES MY PICKS SOMEWHERE ELSE I WILL END THIS.
COME ON!!!
Read the bolded and underlined part and cut the chase.

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February 18, 2018, 08:00:59 AM
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Story time:

I wanted to discuss with you about the Turkish translation. please do not give negative trust to people without a few people's approval about turkish translate. On the Turkish forum, the user pitipawn did not trade with merit absolutely. He did not bought or sell to anybody.
he did not say that he would give money to anyone. and that he will share a few project knowledge that he predicts will be solely explored and valued. he said he would give this information with "merit", but I did not think it was forbidden, including me. Of course we knew that it was forbidden to buy and sell "merit", but nobody had considered it as a prohibition against information that it would receive.

I think that responsibility in this regard should be in pitipawn itself. you have given him a negative trust, but if you punish those who support it I think it is not really fair. there were a lot of people there who supported it and most of them certainly sent it to him in a way unaware of these events. even many of them supported it only because of nationalistic sentiments. for them, they want to see in pitipawn a higher ranking in the overall merit. Please think about what I said. because many people do not have any guilt.

a lot of people are getting their money from these signature campaigns and getting better food for their children[1], it is not fair to give negative trust to the account of many people because of only one person. Please think about this again. All this may be happening because of a rivalry between the person with the "betfair" nickname and the "pitipawn".

Within the translations that Betfair has given you, it seems as if pitipawn has not translated the places he wrote "I will give you the information if you tell me that you do not want to send merit." I really think that if it had transformed this event into a trade, it would not give information for free.

My aim is not to defend or protect pitipawn himself. my purpose is certainly to tell you that those who support it are not   guilty.

I hope it will be useful. Please let me know if you have a problem about this issue.
I'm so tired of self-entitled people sending me stories privately when the case is very public and I'm far from the only person making any *decisions* here. +- he accused OP for intentionally falsely translating some parts. I've blocked saul, and archived the translation made by OP here: https://archive.fo/f8zQM#selection-4541.0-4721.10.
It would be helpful if someone from the section posted here.

[1] All of these should be banned from the forum. I'll take a wild guess and say that EFS probably turns a blind eye to the shitposting and abuse in there. Roll Eyes

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February 18, 2018, 08:13:18 AM
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Story time:

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I'm so tired of self-entitled people sending me stories privately when the case is very public and I'm far from the only person making any *decisions* here. +- he accused OP for intentionally falsely translating some parts. I've blocked saul, and archived the translation made by OP here: https://archive.fo/f8zQM#selection-4541.0-4721.10.
It would be helpful if someone from the section posted here.

[1] All of these should be banned from the forum. I'll take a wild guess and say that EFS probably turns a blind eye to the shitposting and abuse in there. Roll Eyes

I guess you do not know anything about private life or privacy or you mean "private message". You like that kind of stuff, do not you? I am sure your fans will be enjoying this way. dont stop and keep going like this way.
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February 18, 2018, 08:24:47 AM
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I guess you do not know anything about private life or privacy or you mean "private message".
I didn't expect you to be an educated human being, thus I am not surprised by this message. "Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.". Your message doesn't even contain anything sensitive other than whiny bullshit about someone's children. Get a real job.
In addition to that, you make a sneaky accusation of evidence tampering against the OP and want to keep it private? What's up with all the nitwits and colluding in the backrooms?

You like that kind of stuff, do not you? I am sure your fans will be enjoying this way. dont stop and keep going like this way.
Is this all the gang of busted people got? Yawn.

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February 18, 2018, 08:45:19 AM
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I guess you do not know anything about private life or privacy or you mean "private message".
I didn't expect you to be an educated human being, thus I am not surprised by this message. "Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.". Your message doesn't even contain anything sensitive other than whiny bullshit about someone's children. Get a real job.
In addition to that, you make a sneaky accusation of evidence tampering against the OP and want to keep it private? What's up with all the nitwits and colluding in the backrooms?

You like that kind of stuff, do not you? I am sure your fans will be enjoying this way. dont stop and keep going like this way.
Is this all the gang of busted people got? Yawn.

I dont want to upset you, but I am a doc. and  +  I'm an anesthesiologist. I do not have a job like giving negative trust to people like you unfairly. I have a real job in real sense.

I just sent you a message for the others. I did not talk to you for myself. already in the message I sent you did not tell you about myself. I always talked about the others.

there is no secret and there is no backroom. I did not understand why you had imagined such things. Unlike you I know the people of the country and I know them. There is  no hidden inform or there is no backroom

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I have a real job in real sense.
You mean farming accounts and joining campaigns? Yes, I could believe that you have that job.

I just sent you a message for the others. I did not talk to you for myself. already in the message I sent you did not tell you about myself. I always talked about the others.
Liar. It looks like you were only actually looking out for yourself. Smiley

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I read the whole post i have lived in turkey 10 years so i am kinda native. First of all pitipawn should get banned for the swears he used in that post beside everything. I checked his other posts and he is posting like this all the time.

Second of all translation of the op seems correct.

Only there is a wrong part in here: 'IM GONNA SEND PICKS TO ONES WHO SAID WISH I HAD MERIT Sad '   I CAN SEND YOU SOME BUT I DONT HAVE ANY  Smiley

The correct translation is: 'IM GONNA SEND PICKS TO ONES WHO SAID WISH I HAD MERIT, I WILL SEND THEM TOO'


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I have a real job in real sense.
You mean farming accounts and joining campaigns? Yes, I believe that you have that job.

I just sent you a message for the others. I did not talk to you for myself. already in the message I sent you did not tell you about myself. I always talked about the others.
Liar. It looks like you were only actually looking out for yourself. Smiley

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I actually have two accounts belong to me.but it is not one of the above.  I use one and  I do not have to say the other. and I'm not making the farm as much as you do. By the way,  You probably did not accept it, but I'm still a doctor.

I suggest that you leave as soon as possible the disdain for all. I do not know how much you are educated, but make sure you have people who are much better educated. I suggest you not recognize and therefore should not prejudge anyone and not thinking about them and  not show behavior.

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I know two of these nicknames. there is no meaning in this. How much does it make sense for me to do this to you? Think about it, it's meaningless. is not it .

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did you notice it,  ? how meaningless it is. Please dont act like this  way makes no sense.




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February 18, 2018, 09:36:52 AM
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I actually have two accounts belong to me.
No surprise.

By the way,  You probably did not accept it, but I'm still a doctor.
If you think that I was asking whether you had a piece of paper (also known as a degree), you completely missed the point.

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I know two of these nicknames. there is no meaning in this. How much does it make sense for me to do this to you? Think about it, it's meaningless. is not it .
You are a liar. I have mathematically proven this (QED) in this post.
 
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did you notice it,  ? how meaningless it is. Please dont act like this  way makes no sense.
Nice insinuation. You mean this guy?


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February 18, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
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I actually have two accounts belong to me

You've said it yourself. If you have two accounts then you're a certified and Legit account farmer. Whats the use of having two accounts in the forum? For bounty ofcourse. To be honest you can get tagged because you already guilty of having two accounts. If other DT will see this dont be surprised if you got red paint in your profile, at least you still got extra one tho.


To the topic well turkish seems so generous in giving merits huh.
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I actually have two accounts belong to me

You've said it yourself. If you have two accounts then you're a certified and Legit account farmer. Whats the use of having two accounts in the forum? For bounty ofcourse. To be honest you can get tagged because you already guilty of having two accounts. If other DT will see this dont be surprised if you got red paint in your profile, at least you still got extra one tho.


To the topic well turkish seems so generous in giving merits huh.

If you do not know the forum rules, I think you should not talk.

I say I have two accounts. is there any oddness in your opinion? perhaps it is not forbidden if I can say so easily? is it possible in your opinion?
 
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February 18, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
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I actually have two accounts belong to me.
No surprise.

By the way,  You probably did not accept it, but I'm still a doctor.
If you think that I was asking whether you had a piece of paper (also known as a degree), you completely missed the point.

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I know two of these nicknames. there is no meaning in this. How much does it make sense for me to do this to you? Think about it, it's meaningless. is not it .
You are a liar. I have mathematically proven this (QED) in this post.
 
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did you notice it,  ? how meaningless it is. Please dont act like this  way makes no sense.
Nice insinuation. You mean this guy?



so ? You hide very well. of course, that an "old" manager should know about such games. absolutely important "merit" You think negative means that trust is not critical for that. It seems like a good trick  to hide in this way.

you know it does not matter. I do not need to explain it to you I believe. do not feel guilty about that, it's just courageous enough to give 50 merits to your absurd message.

I do not know what you're trying to do. You're like a kid with a toy. Please do not go any further. I have not done anything wrong with anyone during this forum. unlike many people, I did not cheat anyone. I did not try to extort anyone's money. I did not fool anyone. Did I ever tell you that  ?, i  did not try to extort anyone's  money

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February 18, 2018, 10:25:50 AM
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The background noise is to be ignored. Back to the actual thread:

If[1] this is truly the case, both the senders and OP need to be tagged IMO.
Anyone want to chime in before this be done?

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The background noise is to be ignored. Back to the actual thread:

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If[1] this is truly the case, both the senders and OP need to be tagged IMO.
Anyone want to chime in before this be done?

Mich:



50 to pitipawn, 45 to saulzaents (50 from pitipawn; 45 from mich; 40 from mstfprcn), 30 to mstfprcn(10 from pitipawn; 10 from saulzaents).

If you want to put in the senders of your merit, do you want to compare? Is this how it works? you can never reach it this way. Please tell me your true purpose. i will help you.

this forum is full of people who send merit to their friend  to friend in this way. Are you going to call yourself a "merit hunter" anymore? then start with your own partisan first. not from my friends or turkish users. I do not understand, you have a Turkish hostility. or are you racist ?



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I do not understand, you have a Turkish hostility. or are you racist ?
Here we go again. How about you make up something unique for a change. I've heard this the last time some people in that section got busted. Just go away and stop abusing the forum. Statement from several days ago:

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February 18, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
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I do not understand, you have a Turkish hostility. or are you racist ?
Here we go again. How about you make something unique up for a change. I've heard this the last time some people in that section got busted. Just go away and stop abusing the forum. Statement from several days ago:

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I am not even remotely, in any way whatsoever, a racist of any kind. I have repeatedly stated that I do not care about other's nationality/race/religion or whatever useless thing they like to associate themselves with.

 I am sorry :d I did not know you had heard anything like this before. I thought I was the first person on this matter, but some people have already told you that before. I have not seen the statement .I mean, for the first time I'm not the one who asked you if you could be a racist. good day to you if still good.

 

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February 19, 2018, 09:08:37 AM
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In terms of both magnitude and quality, this is the single worst case of merit abuse anywhere on the forum.  Not only does he add no substance to the forum whatsoever:  #1076869 “pitipawn” has somehow become the current #4 on the list of “Top-merited users, all-timeby performing the “pump” part of ICOs (and you-know-what follows...).

Thank you, Betfair, for reporting this—and most of all (+5), for translating the Turkish for a sufficient proof.  I’ve had my eye on pitiprawn for awhile.  It was obvious that he was doing something questionable, at best; just the post titles alone show(ed) that he was openly soliciting merit in some fashion, even without being able to read Turkish.  But it would have been difficult to get the evidence, or even understand what his ploy was, whereas Turkish is not one of the languages in which I have sufficient facility to at least do what I call “human-guided machine translation”.

It is fitting that this was reported by someone who can read Turkish.


There are users like nullius and then there is this guy.

Thanks.



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I am sure your fans will be enjoying this way. dont stop and keep going like this way.

Of course, we will; and of course, Lauda will.


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a lot of people are getting their money from these signature campaigns and getting better food for their children[1],
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[1] All of these should be banned from the forum.

Damn straight—and no, I don’t care if they starve.

What’s more, people susceptible to this non-argument conveniently forget that this money is drawn from the zero-sum game of pump-and-dump scamming.  All that ICO spam payola money comes from somewhere:  Bilked investors, many of whom are too naïve to really be blamed for taking the bait.  Maybe your grandmother.  Maybe some uneducated, honest working-class individual who is just trying get a little bump up on his hard-earned wages; he sees a glitzy spam ad filled with techno-babble he cannot possibly hope to understand—then winds up having food stolen out of the mouth of his children, when “pump” is inevitably followed by “dump”.

Why do the bleeding hearts never remember this?  Ah, yes:  Because they are not motivated by helping people, but only by a perverse desire to fawn with dripping empathy over trash.

Spam is spam, abuse is abuse, and that’s already more than sufficient reason to kick-ban pitiprawn and many of his spamming followers.  But it is wise to keep in the back of one’s mind the zero-sum nature of all spams and scams.  Every spammer’s and scammer’s gain is somebody else’s loss.


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did you notice it,  ? how meaningless it is. Please dont act like this  way makes no sense.
Nice insinuation. You mean this guy?



Of course.  saulzaents refers to the lunatic who gave you +50 for red-tagging him, and gave me +50 for insulting him.  Either an insane masochist, or someone with a very guilty conscience—or a persecuted genius, whose actions are predicated on cosmic designs beyond the comprehension of mere mortals! /s


If[1] this is truly the case, both the senders and OP need to be tagged IMO.
Anyone want to chime in before this be done?

I’ll chime in afterwards:  Without yeoman’s service done by you and a few others, the merit system would be totally corrupted overnight.  Since theymos said that signature campaigns will be banned if the merit system fails, that means we would lose many good posters who essentially get paid to spend all day helping people and answering technical questions on an Internet forum.  Many other good posters don’t have a paid signature—but those would also leave, because the spam problem would not be solved.  (Signature spamming is not the only type of spamming!)

If the merit system fails, the forum will implode.

So—thank you.

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Merit buyers / beggers
« Sent to: gmaxwell, mprep, Cyrus, Mitchell, hilariousandco, achow101 on: February 11, 2018, 12:20:15 PM »

Dear mods,

I understand your enthusiasm about implementing a merit system, however it has created "merit beggers" and "merit buyers"

One of them is a user called "pitipawn":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1076869

You will see a spike of increase on his merit in recent days.

If you check his merit history you will understand that it comes from topics such as:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2895261.0

You need to come up with a punishment system to ban or erase merits of such "merit buyers", or completely remove the merit system.

Perhaps if you erase merits of few users such as this and announce it globally that it is not allowed, it would be seen as an example and will prevent further abuse of the system.

To me, this is no different than creating threads with reference links, and remember reference links are instantly deleted by mods, while "merit beggers" and "merit buyers" are still allowed.

Thanks for your support and Best Regards,

/goodsson

I am Turkish and I don't give a shit about nationality when it comes to "justice" and enforcing "rules / principles", otherwise you will have a system which friends protect each other and "others" are always justified unfairly.

I have sent above message to mods mentioned and did not get a reply.

I have sent another message to Turkish moderator "EFS" and did get reply "I can't do anything" but at the same time noticed that he removes all improper posts except pitipawn's posts. I have strong belief he is friend of EFS and have been enjoying double standards in the Turkish forum, despite his bad attitude, foul mouth and ego-centric threads.

He goes to threads and boasts how good he is and how pathetic others are. At times some laugh at him, some ignore him and some get aggressive with him. Recently, I have changed my tone and replied him with his own attitude, we traded some threats and bad mouthing.

It's 100% known that pitipawn is an alt-account. Through IP search and Login times, it can be easily found who is main account is.

It's also obviously he is supporting his threads through his alt-accounts and pump/dump group, you can easily identify his group by looking who has sent him merits in a short period of time. You can also see majority of people who merited him has minus trust ratings as well (no surprise).

Now this thread is deleted to public, but I am sure mods can still see the contents: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2895261.0

This forum is still the best source in Cryptocurrency. But if you want to keep forum clean or have long term vision on your "merit system", you have to have a control mechanism against abusive behaviour and take actions when needed.

I expect I will get a lot of -trust from his group soon by telling these but I don't give a shit about e-honor so here you go, it matters more to me that forum stays clean.
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The background noise is to be ignored. Back to the actual thread:

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Merited by mich (50), fullypak (33), ap3311 (25), PrintMule (20), saulzaents (12), bobita (9), hirozaki faraday (Cool, longthu (7), SimonBeCoinin (6), mela65 (6), valley365 (5), newcasinobitcoin (5), slmn (4), polat90 (4), Elysio (3), kesh.zombie (3), twiifm (2), hidrocop (2), frtmr (2), avalonn (2), Asklepion (2), anu (1), dannybrown (1), Arksun (1), DarkXen (1), Uhde (1), dewildance (1), PHI1618 (1), xumit (1), Alosa (1), ParaHerif (1), nekominer (1), jopen (1), Easx (1), Metazen (1), brave77 (1), Renovatioo (1), PowerLike (1), KASAP (1), vipganyan (1), legaltrk (1)

If[1] this is truly the case, both the senders and OP need to be tagged IMO.
Anyone want to chime in before this be done?

Mich:



50 to pitipawn, 45 to saulzaents (50 from pitipawn; 45 from mich; 40 from mstfprcn), 30 to mstfprcn(10 from pitipawn; 10 from saulzaents).

If you want to put in the senders of your merit, do you want to compare? Is this how it works? you can never reach it this way. Please tell me your true purpose. i will help you.

this forum is full of people who send merit to their friend  to friend in this way. Are you going to call yourself a "merit hunter" anymore? then start with your own partisan first. not from my friends or turkish users. I do not understand, you have a Turkish hostility. or are you racist ?





To be able to send that big amount of sMerits to such posts is really something.. People who send merit to their friend just because of their so-called "friendship" and to take note in just a nonsense post is unfair and unacceptable.

if you already know that people here send merits to their friend that way, why not report them instead of acting like one of them? Users like these ones are the reason why merit system is being criticized by many members here.

sMerit is created to be used in sending to a post that deserves to get merits because of its quality and sense. You are not contributing any help to promote the merit system but instead destroying its very essence.

There are so many deserving posts that are being overlooked or ignored by many people. Why not spend it to them instead of wasting it. Won't it be a better place if everyone follow the rules instead of destroying it? or maybe some people here don't like better places?

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February 20, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
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What’s more, people susceptible to this non-argument conveniently forget that this money is drawn from the zero-sum game of pump-and-dump scamming.  All that ICO spam payola money comes from somewhere:  Bilked investors, many of whom are too naïve to really be blamed for taking the bait.  Maybe your grandmother.  Maybe some uneducated, honest working-class individual who is just trying get a little bump up on his hard-earned wages; he sees a glitzy spam ad filled with techno-babble he cannot possibly hope to understand—then winds up having food stolen out of the mouth of his children, when “pump” is inevitably followed by “dump”.

Why do the bleeding hearts never remember this?  Ah, yes:  Because they are not motivated by helping people, but only by a perverse desire to fawn with dripping empathy over trash.
You've nailed it. The money has to come from somewhere. I would even go as far as calling people who shitpost for pennies outright thieves. They don't fulfill their end of the 'contract' properly, and yet receive full payment.

Of course.  saulzaents refers to the lunatic who gave you +50 for red-tagging him, and gave me +50 for insulting him.  Either an insane masochist, or someone with a very guilty conscience—or a persecuted genius, whose actions are predicated on cosmic designs beyond the comprehension of mere mortals! /s
Just a classic example of preemptive defense. We've seen *you-know-who* use it in a different sense.

I’ll chime in afterwards:  Without yeoman’s service done by you and a few others, the merit system would be totally corrupted overnight.  Since theymos said that signature campaigns will be banned if the merit system fails, that means we would lose many good posters who essentially get paid to spend all day helping people and answering technical questions on an Internet forum.  Many other good posters don’t have a paid signature—but those would also leave, because the spam problem would not be solved.  (Signature spamming is not the only type of spamming!)

If the merit system fails, the forum will implode.

So—thank you.
Trying my best / you are welcome.

I am Turkish and I don't give a shit about nationality when it comes to "justice" and enforcing "rules / principles", otherwise you will have a system which friends protect each other and "others" are always justified unfairly.
Exactly. Who cares where you come from? Nobody reasonable. Those that sling racism or whatever bullshit at me are just butthurt they got caught.

I have sent another message to Turkish moderator "EFS" and did get reply "I can't do anything" but at the same time noticed that he removes all improper posts except pitipawn's posts. I have strong belief he is friend of EFS and have been enjoying double standards in the Turkish forum, despite his bad attitude, foul mouth and ego-centric threads.
You did PM some people (e.g. maxwell and mitchell) who's "jurisdiction" isn't that section (especially the former who is very busy and shouldn't moderate anyways). We shouldn't confuse EFS's statement of "I can't do anything" with "I do not want to do anything". I don't want to speculate on his involvement there (unless someone has evidence), even though it is very likely. What he actually meant to say is: "He can do a lot, but chooses to do nothing".

I expect I will get a lot of -trust from his group soon by telling these but I don't give a shit about e-honor so here you go, it matters more to me that forum stays clean.
That is fine. They will expose themselves and I'll tag those accounts too.

Did someone kill the thread? I only see this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2916514.msg30007854#msg30007854.

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You can see that, i have merited this guy but let me tell you the story.

One night i was very drunk and i saw piti's thread and checked his old posts. Then i have seen a reply from this guy '' demezler mi size , tükürmezler mi yüzünüze pitiyi 103 meritle sincap gibi gezdiriyonuz diye ''

I have laughed nearly half an hour because it is very funny on our language (perhaps not funny, only effect of alcohol ) Cheesy , and mean is '' You show me like a SQUIRREL with 103 merits''

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You can see that, i have merited this guy but let me tell you the story. One night i was very drunk and i saw piti's thread and checked his old posts...
So you are telling me that you *accidentally* (due to not being fully self aware) merited his post? That may be possible, but it is not likely that many will believe it. I'm not just looking at who merited OP, but also what they did with their other merit points and who sent them merit. That should easily separate you from the others (assuming your story is true).

There's more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2898785.0;all (https://archive.fo/ODerP). Anyone willing to translate the OP?

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February 20, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
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You can see that, i have merited this guy but let me tell you the story. One night i was very drunk and i saw piti's thread and checked his old posts...
So you are telling me that you *accidentally* (due to not being fully self aware) merited his post? That may be possible, but it is not likely that many will believe it. I'm not just looking at who merited OP, but also what they did with their other merit points and who sent them merit. That should easily separate you from the others (assuming your story is true).

There's more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2898785.0;all (https://archive.fo/ODerP). Anyone willing to translate the OP?

You can be sure about that my story is true and one of my post to his thread support me,  Also i got some merit from some of my informative thread. You may see them;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2914776.msg29985171#msg29985171

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2883465.msg29631603#msg29631603

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"Trading merit. Thorough and very shady abuse of the new system."

If you are trying to tell that I sent those merits to get an ICO advice, I don't even have any messages between pitipawn and me Undecided

I sent those merits to support pitipawn on the race. And I would ask for a proof but since you don't have any, I'll just ask what do you want from me?
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"Trading merit. Thorough and very shady abuse of the new system."

If you are trying to tell that I sent those merits to get an ICO advice, I don't even have any messages between pitipawn and me Undecided

I sent those merits to support pitipawn on the race. And I would ask for a proof but since you don't have any, I'll just ask what do you want from me?
so you just sent those merits for nothing? for fun?  cool
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so you just sent those merits for nothing? for fun?  cool

I wanted someone from our community to be in that top merited list.  And yes, maybe I sent those merits for fun. So?
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so you just sent those merits for nothing? for fun?  cool

I wanted someone from our community to be in that top merited list.  And yes, maybe I sent those merits for fun. So?
So as a turkish guy you say that troll represents your community?
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so you just sent those merits for nothing? for fun?  cool

I wanted someone from our community to be in that top merited list.  And yes, maybe I sent those merits for fun. So?
So as a turkish guy you say that troll represents your community?

On principle, +1 for sincere national pride to quash self-serving exploitation of one’s own “community” as a wretched excuse.

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So as a turkish guy you say that troll represents your community?

Yeah I was thinking this man could be a perfect fit to represent our community while I was giving merits to his post. LOL.

It's more fun to see how you guys react to these little stupid shits.

Nothing will give Lauda a right to put that negative trust to my profile. So don't push further and stop wasting my time.

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So as a turkish guy you say that troll represents your community?

Yeah I was thinking this man could be a perfect fit to represent our community while I was giving merits to his post. LOL.

It's more fun to see how you guys react to these little stupid shits.

Nothing will give Lauda a right to put that negative trust to my profile. So don't push further and stop wasting my time.


Its just fun dude like you said about that troll Smiley dont worry about lauda s neg trust he did for fun hehehe
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Its just fun dude like you said about that troll Smiley dont worry about lauda s neg trust he did for fun hehehe

Ughh... What a great answer. This forum needs more time absorbers like you.
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Its just fun dude like you said about that troll Smiley dont worry about lauda s neg trust he did for fun hehehe

Ughh... What a great answer. This forum needs more time absorbers like you.

Betfair, alas:  Sarcasm and satire do not work with fools on the Internet.

I will now start spamming, scamming, punching old people on the street at random, and selling merit in exchange for BCH.  Just for fun!  Hahah.  So very funny, I am laughing myself to death.

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February 22, 2018, 04:28:28 PM
Last edit: February 22, 2018, 05:34:31 PM by talatk
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Betfair, alas:  Sarcasm and satire do not work with fools on the Internet.

I will now start spamming, scamming, punching old people on the street at random, and selling merit in exchange for BCH.  Just for fun!  Hahah.  So very funny, I am laughing myself to death.

Oh god...

Yeah, I didn't understand that sarcasm, sure...

Just relax and put your tongue back in your mouth. You guys are just talking trash.
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February 22, 2018, 05:52:53 PM
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Having already characterized this case upthread as the the single worst case of merit abuse anywhere on the forum, I want to emphasize this:

Thank you, Betfair, for reporting this—and most of all (+5), for translating the Turkish for a sufficient proof.  I’ve had my eye on pitiprawn for awhile.  It was obvious that he was doing something questionable, at best; just the post titles alone show(ed) that he was openly soliciting merit in some fashion, even without being able to read Turkish.  But it would have been difficult to get the evidence, or even understand what his ploy was, whereas Turkish is not one of the languages in which I have sufficient facility to at least do what I call “human-guided machine translation”.

Surely, I am far from alone in having noticed that something was amiss.  I myself noticed pitiprawn sometime before 11 February; but due to the language barrier, I was then only able to adduce that pitiprawn was “running Turkish threads soliciting merit in some fashion”:

Before reading this post, I was already thinking I would like a "Merit-subscription" to your posts. Basically, (almost) anything that you write is worth reading.
You're the second Top-merited Member, only second to deeperx (who has red trust and got all his Merit for DeepOnion posts in his self-moderated (censored) ANN-thread). I really appreciate how well the Merit system works for good posters (and I ignore deeperx in my list of good posters).

Thanks.  In the time since you wrote that, I handily blew past “deeperx”.  Also past “RichDaniel”, the “Hero” Member so incredibly meritorious that he got +283 in the span of an hour (then got red-tagged for his trouble).  Unfortunately, within the past 24 hours, I’ve fallen behind “pitipawn”, a Full Member who seems to be running Turkish threads soliciting merit in some fashion.  I’d better work harder!

pitiprawn’s outrageous, organized, wanton and willful abuse continued for weeks.  When a Turkish user stepped forward with translation, the abuse was stopped cold.

This is an instructive example for those who want to clean up some of the abuse which is effectually protected by language barriers.  Most of all, it is an admirable precedent for users who frequent the “local” forums.  If you see something awful, don’t just ignore it!



Nothing will give Lauda a right to put that negative trust to my profile. So don't push further and stop wasting my time.

Just relax and put your tongue back in your mouth. You guys are just talking trash.

Lauda is not here for now so, go find someone else's ass to lick. I can pm you when he answers to this bs.

(Note that that last line was deleted by talatk while I was writing this post; I noticed this just before posting.  I have added the red emphasis.)

BREAKING NEWS:  #476302 “talatk” has become king of the world and emperor of the universe.  He now issues peremptory edicts defining Lauda’s rights, and calling Lauda to answer.  Also, telling me what to do.

I’ll grab popcorn.

NOTICE:  talatk, please be advised that based on your behaviour here, any PMs, e-mails, or other communications you send to me may be published at my sole discretion.  This is a special new policy.



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#476302 “talatk” was caught participating in the single worst case of merit abuse yet seen (#1076869 “pitipawn”).  Having received negative trust feedback, he publicly declared for his own part that he “sent those merits to support pitipawn on the race”.  Assuming the veracity of this statement *arguendo*, this amounts to professing oneself to have committed a crime—by way of defending oneself on charges of a slightly different version of the same crime.  It is a distinction without a difference.

Aggravating the matter, “talatk” then proceeded to evince not only a self-entitled attitude, but a self-righteous conceit (!) and the presumptuousness of dictating limitations on Lauda’s “right” of action (!!).  Not only is it outrageous for one caught red-handed in wrongdoing to behave in such manner:  It also demonstrates the polar opposite of remorse.

As things stand, “talatk” was last seen hurling some vapid vulgarity at me and Lauda both (then deleting it).

Based on such publicly demonstrated *wanton and willful self-righteousness about wrongdoing*, plus other bad behaviour, I would not trust this user to scoop a cat litter box.

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So as a turkish guy you say that troll represents your community?

Yeah I was thinking this man could be a perfect fit to represent our community while I was giving merits to his post. LOL.

It's more fun to see how you guys react to these little stupid shits.

Nothing will give Lauda a right to put that negative trust to my profile. So don't push further and stop wasting my time.


You are more fun, trying to pretend you do not know him. Other guy pretend he was drunk, excuse after excuse.

Did you know pitipawn has sent death threats to some people? He is lucky that he is not perma banned yet. It is also possible that he is alt-account of an already perma banned member. People do not change you know.

Enjoy your -trust for supporting a disgraced member of our community.
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February 23, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
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At 11:05:49 today, 23 February 2018, I permanently surpassed #1076869 “pitipawn” on the list of Top-merited users, all-time.  pitiprawn had been #4.  He was ahead of me for all of about twelve days.  And I did it the honest way.

Now, the “pitiprawn” account is forever stuck at 478 merit.  That’s not even the threshold for Hero Membership.  In time, others will also surpass him.  He will drift down the all-time top-merited list, until he drops off the bottom.  Eventually, every new account who reaches Hero Member will exceed him; at that, going from zero to Hero is now every new user’s chance to beat pitiprawn.

In time, pitiprawn will sink down to the level of a footnote in the annals of forum abuse handling.  Lauda will be remembered not for stopping pitiprawn, but for squashing him together with so very many worms just like him; pitiprawn himself is no more significant in that story than dirt swept into a dustpan.  pitiprawn himself shall be all but forgotten, fallen to the implicit damnatio memoriae of the utterly worthless.

Infamous last words (translated by Betfair):

do not underestimate my power anymore...

Crime doesn’t pay.


Did you know pitipawn has sent death threats to some people? He is lucky that he is not perma banned yet. It is also possible that he is alt-account of an already perma banned member. People do not change you know.

Criminal scum.  There is a reason why I said, “crime doesn’t pay.”  Someone who dovetailed the “pump” part of pump-and-dump with a merit abuse racket is of criminal character.  I would never be surprised to find such a character doing de jure crimes, such as escalating to death threats when he doesn’t get his way.  People do not change, I know.

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March 20, 2018, 12:38:50 PM
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I can see merits being used as a currency in the future.
I mean, they behave almost the same as a coin. They are created in a limited fashion, are trade-able and people want them.
The minute that we allow this, is the minute that the merit system has completely failed its purpose and this forum is on a spiraling to a free-for-all shithole filled with *whatever-world spamming idiots*.
Well, M-Pesa started out that way, it was not intended as a currency or payment system in the first place Wink

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