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February 23, 2018, 11:27:59 PM
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1) The 105 members in your sample received 10.75 merits each. This shows that there are enough merits for everyone, provided you are ready to make some efforts.

I just took a look at the outliers (should have earlier, I know) and it seems they got merits for dumb reasons (one guy used alt accounts, the other was selling ICO picks for merits). So a better stat would be that 103 legitimate (I assume) members have received 5.2 merits each.

2) Majority has no merits. This is something that needs to be looked after. The promotional offers (bounties and campaigns) should not expect members without any merits.

Suggestion: If it is possible for you to include data regarding the average posts made by the user, please include it. Especially for those 105 members.

Based on what I've seen in Gambling discussion and Bitcoin Discussion, those people without merits are probably just posting in spam megathreads or commenting stuff like "nice ICO!".
It's hard to automate a way to find the post quality of the user. I thought about finding the average character per post, but I noticed many have posts like:

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Twitter Bounty Week X
Tweets:
<insert 10 long twitter links here>
Retweets
<insert 10 more long twitter links here>

They would inflate the average character count, while not being close to a quality post.

This does, however, bring up a very interesting question: how is merit distributed across different sections of the forum? It would be interesting to know which sections tend to produce the most quality content in the forums. This would probably be very hard to do considering that you are getting rate limited yourself with just 500 users in the sample size in a single section of the forum, but there might be an alternative way such as scraping the last x number of posts from the section and adding up the merit from there. However, with the number of sections in the forum I can see this being extremely slow. I do not have much experience with Sheets/Excel when it comes to scraping, but I might eventually write a quick script to do it and post the results myself.

I could write a program in some other language (nodeJS perhaps) to do it, but this data was a result of me getting the formula set up for the ChipMixer campaign, and deciding to reuse it.
Without looking though, I'm guessing that the 3 most merited sections are:
- Meta
- Development and Technical Discussion
- Technical Support

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Some points might be:

    Lack of merit sources in Altcoin sections?
    More spam in Altcoin sections?

Members are ignoring merits or they are too lazy to send merit. Can you research how many bounty hunters sent merits and include number to spreadsheet? I guess you will find out that 90% members who are posting in altcoin section have never sent merits.

Is something wrong with my posts? Am I spamming? I don't see reason why nobody sent me merit while some guys here received 40 merits for couple of topics and posts in meta.

Should I become regular in meta now? Should I write more than it is necessary to write? Should I write essay over half page? Should I send merit to someone if i didn't receive any?

There you go, reasons and small rant. Decide which is which Cheesy

Nice stats btw.

It's hard to scrape how many have sent merit, as you must be logged in to see those statistics. It would be too complicated to do it in Google Sheets, and probably still complicated in any of the programming languages I'm familiar with.

I took a look at your posts, and while they aren't spam, none of them really stand out to me as being worth merit. Most/all of your posts are very buried, and are on the 4th page of a thread, or more.

Wow what a nice statistic you got there, i guess this is not a hard job if it is done by an experienced manager.
This statistic really negate all the whiners who said that merits not given in some section and only meta's people getting a lot of merits. I dont know how does people's brain works if they are still denying the facts while we got some nice statistics here.

People in Altcoin campaigns likely still post in Bitcoin sections - after all, it's incredibility easy to make a post talking about why Bitcoin is better then Gold by reading the thousands of replies already made. I'm guessing that my Bitcoin campaigner data will show a much higher average too, so it's still possible to argue that merits aren't really being distributed in certain sections.

The account price estimator was for sure able to distinguish between written and quoted text, how it gave a list of addresses posted and addresses in quote seperate..
I think the estimater even had a post quality algorithm that also may have excluded quoted text..

You may be able to use a modified piece of the code used in that for your purpose?
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February 27, 2018, 06:03:12 AM
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Useful info, but the problem is not altcoin bounty hunters, but the actual distribution of merit on altcoin forums.

I primarily post in altcoin forums (given that is my interest, since I do a bit of GPU mining), and I've seen plenty of pages with valuable posts that just don't attract any merit.

When you look at the top merit receiving threads/posts they are all in bitcoin, meta and apparently some russian threads? Oh and also merit swapping threads.

Think there needs to be more merit/attention on the altcoin forums - bounty hunters who post about spamming their twitter followers about some ICO make up only a small portion of altcoin posts.

I mean based on the current distribution of merit, I would be telling newbies to ignore altcoin forums and post in meta - or learn russian.
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February 27, 2018, 11:22:20 AM
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Think there needs to be more merit/attention on the altcoin forums - bounty hunters who post about spamming their twitter followers about some ICO make up only a small portion of altcoin posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/ shows the number of posts per board. The altcoin-boards have much more posts than the Bitcoin boards, and although the Tokens board has less posts, it was created only recently.

Take Announcements (Altcoins) for example: the first page of threads was filled within 4 minutes. In the past hour, 242 threads were bumped.
I do believe there are quality posts in the altcoin section, but they're burried under hundreds of thousands of spamposts. And as much as I'd like to Merit those few quality posts, I'm not going to read through the spam to find them.

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I've checked your last few posts before this one, they're on page 76, page 50, page 99 and page 383.
It doesn't matter whether your posts are good or not, barely anybody will see them.

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February 27, 2018, 12:09:03 PM
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Think there needs to be more merit/attention on the altcoin forums - bounty hunters who post about spamming their twitter followers about some ICO make up only a small portion of altcoin posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/ shows the number of posts per board. The altcoin-boards have much more posts than the Bitcoin boards, and although the Tokens board has less posts, it was created only recently.

Take Announcements (Altcoins) for example: the first page of threads was filled within 4 minutes. In the past hour, 242 threads were bumped.
I do believe there are quality posts in the altcoin section, but they're burried under hundreds of thousands of spamposts. And as much as I'd like to Merit those few quality posts, I'm not going to read through the spam to find them.

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I've checked your last few posts before this one, they're on page 76, page 50, page 99 and page 383.
It doesn't matter whether your posts are good or not, barely anybody will see them.

I think that's part of my point - the altcoin forum is popular, and not enough merit senders are involved in those communities. While like you've said it might be because there is a lot of dud input to get through, it hasn't stopped these forums becoming very popular.

But put another way, what you're suggesting is that to get more merit, people should post on the LESS popular forums because the threads are shorter and there is less stuff to read through? Not all of the altcoin posts are spam and I don't mind skipping through a few lines of pointless input to read something valuable from a user about an altcoin I'm following.

Also I don't think your point on my latest posts being on a certain page like 76, 383 etc really stacks up - these posts are on the latest page of each altcoin I'm posting about when I post them, so the raw page number is not so relevant. Most users skip to the last page of a thread for the latest info on an altcoin (I know I do) so the fact that it is on page 10, 100, 500 or whatever shouldn't matter - it is always on the last page at time of posting. If you had merit senders who followed particular groups of altcoins, they wouldn't be starting from page 1 anyway, they'd be looking at the latest posts and deciding if sending merit is warranted, or if it is just spam. I wouldn't expect a merit sender to trawl through the hundreds of pages on Ethereum, they could just look at the latest page.

Also I wonder if timezones make a difference - ie. since there are 57 main merit senders, would someone in say New Zealand be forever a newbie compared to someone in Europe/USA due to time differences, and no merit senders being online to see their posts before they get buried a few pages back on a thread.

I think for the bitcointalk community to grow across all forums the messaging and how merit is provided needs to shift slightly to provide the same incentives for members to post quality content in 'Altcoin' forums, not just 'Bitcoin' forums - particularly since altcoins are growth areas.
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March 04, 2018, 01:05:32 AM
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I'm curious to see current stats for the Altcoin sections as in relation to when you started this a few weeks ago.

And regarding stats from other campaigns, could you possibly work with an existing campaign manager for another popular signature campaign to get their user data to plug in for data mining and analysis?

It'd be interesting to see if this format and data mining can be applied towards other sections of the forums, as well. I know everyone hates Local Boards, but I'm curious to see how much merit/sMerit is actualy being distributed on those boards, as well. Possibly the more popular boards like Russia or the Philippines. Is it easy to scrape this data?

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March 04, 2018, 02:10:53 AM
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I'm curious to see current stats for the Altcoin sections as in relation to when you started this a few weeks ago.

I'll look into rescraping soon.

And regarding stats from other campaigns, could you possibly work with an existing campaign manager for another popular signature campaign to get their user data to plug in for data mining and analysis?

This spreadsheet from my Merit Data from 315 Bitcoin Paying Signature Campaign Participants thread has the merit values of almost all Bitcoin paying campaigns, if that's what you're looking for. It's not automatically updated though. If another manager wants live data similar to what I have for ChipMixer, I'd be happy to help them get it set up.

It'd be interesting to see if this format and data mining can be applied towards other sections of the forums, as well. I know everyone hates Local Boards, but I'm curious to see how much merit/sMerit is actualy being distributed on those boards, as well. Possibly the more popular boards like Russia or the Philippines. Is it easy to scrape this data?

AFAIK there are no Local only campaigns running at the moment (there was Zebpay a few months ago that was India only though, could maybe use that data? pretty smally campaign though I think). This makes it hard to scrape Local posters. Theymos' merit download also doesn't have the section ID info either.

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March 04, 2018, 03:00:56 AM
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Hi Sir,

I would like to make boxplot for merit receivers (categorial variable) but I am not familiar with raw data from the forum. I have not use R software, I am more familiar with Stata software. Would you mind giving me link to download datasets which can be used for Stata software to plot.
Boxplots can give us clearer view about distribution of merits in the forum over different categories of merit-receivers.
Thanks.

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Hi Sir,

I would like to make boxplot for merit receivers (categorial variable) but I am not familiar with raw data from the forum. I have not use R software, I am more familiar with Stata software. Would you mind giving me link to download datasets which can be used for Stata software to plot.
Boxplots can give us clearer view about distribution of merits in the forum over different categories of merit-receivers.
Thanks.

Download the Google Sheets as an Excel sheet, and use this method to get usable Stata data (I think/hope). I'm not familiar with Stata unfortunately.

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March 04, 2018, 03:29:27 AM
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And regarding stats from other campaigns, could you possibly work with an existing campaign manager for another popular signature campaign to get their user data to plug in for data mining and analysis?

This spreadsheet from my Merit Data from 315 Bitcoin Paying Signature Campaign Participants thread has the merit values of almost all Bitcoin paying campaigns, if that's what you're looking for. It's not automatically updated though. If another manager wants live data similar to what I have for ChipMixer, I'd be happy to help them get it set up.

Ah, I missed that thread. That's exactly what I was looking for.

This merit system has amazed me at the level of detail that went into it. As more and more time goes by, the more I continue to favor the system. I'm hoping that data like what you're collecting can eventually help shape signature campaigns into utilizing more merit-based requirements rather than solely member rank.

I'm going to check out the data that you've collected and see if there are any major differences between Bitcoin sig campaigns vs. altcoin sig campaigns.

Again, thanks for doing this. I'm completely geeking out atm lol

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