Open Discussion of Just-Dice

[Daggett993]

As an investor of Just-Dice who is now down a very considerable amount of coins (Now fully divested however), I'd like to open up this thread in dedication to bringing Doog, Just-Dice, and Letsdice to justice.

Dooglus has access to the non hashed server seeds, meaning he knows what the rolls are going to be ahead of time. Due to this he is able to bet on his alias Celeste/nakowa/allover & win excessive amounts of Bitcoin. With the name AllOver I almost feel like I'm being mocked at this point.

This EXTREMELY ODD evidence is what triggered this investigation and my realization that I was scammed for well over 50 BTC on my investment.
 
Just-Dice & Towtoad were registered a week between each other. Meaning Celeste/Nakowa had already planned on releasing a dice site BEFORE he won the excessive money from JD? It sounds like planning ahead to me... planning ahead a ponzi
 
- But why would Doog make towtoad.com?
It's fairly obvious that Doog is a smart person. In order to cover his tracks and make his scheme look more legitimate, he opened a competitor site to give the illusion it isn't him. When first confronting Doog, his reply was "But didn't Celeste go make a rival site" (Or something along those lines). It's obvious this is his 'fall back' excuse which he's hoping will consolidate his ponzi. Shame he forgot to differentiate the domains...
 
- But wouldn't coding a new dice site outweigh that small illusion he'd be presenting?
Towtoad was a complete copy of Just-Dice, there were slight design changes & a few extra features which Doog was probably planning on implementing on Just-Dice but decided against it for whatever reason. It wouldn't have taken more than a few hours to have it up & running.
 
Please post in this thread any other evidence, explanations or suspicions that you fall upon!

EDIT 1: I would like the redact my claims.  It seems I let my bias get the best of me and I don't like baseless scam accusations from others on the forum, so it seems that I should hold myself to the same standard.

While I still believe certain things are suspicious about the big JD losses, I would like nothing more than an open discussion of it.  Thank you all and apologizes for coming off so strong.

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[Rannasha]

Not sure if you're a troll...

I'm not going to list the common traits, because they're all more or less identical.

More or less identical? So both use Namecheap and have a WhoisGuard email address? Turns out that Namecheap is a very large hosting provider and that it actually accepts BTC for payments. You'll find a lot of BTC-related websites to be hosted there. Hardly a surprise. And WhoisGuard? That's an anti-spam feature offered by Namecheap, to prevent a users real email address from showing up in these whois-queries. You'd be a fool not to use it's available.

It sounds like planning ahead to me... planning ahead a ponzi

How about you look up what "a ponzi" means. It seems be a trend to just throw around words without any regard for their actual meaning. Even if your accusations are true, this whole affair isn't anything like a ponzi scheme.

[dexX7]

Turns out that Namecheap is a very large hosting provider and that it actually accepts BTC for payments. You'll find a lot of BTC-related websites to be hosted there. Hardly a surprise. And WhoisGuard? That's an anti-spam feature offered by Namecheap, to prevent a users real email address from showing up in these whois-queries. You'd be a fool not to use it's available.

And every domain registration includes one year WhoisGuard for free anyway.

[HeRetiK]

Making a geographical lookup I don't see any correlation between just-dice.com and letsdice.com:


https://www.ultratools.com/whois/home

letsdice.com => HOST IP ADDRESS: 106.186.31.136 - Tokyo

just-dice.com => HOST IP ADDRESS: 141.101.124.227 - Singapore
=> HOST IP ADDRESS: 108.162.207.227 - San Francisco

towtoad.com leads to a couple of host IP adresses which are also located in California but in Mountain View.


Of course he might still be the same person and use different hosting providers / facilities, but with the given information that's purely speculation since what Rannasha said about namecheap / whoisguard is correct.

[Daggett993]

I'll acknowledge that the domain argument is not very powerful, however it is clear that my concern is not unwarranted.  It is very improbable for a casino to receive 1.2M bitcoins wagered and still tread far below their expected profit.

[Birdy]

I'll acknowledge that the domain argument is not very powerful, however it is clear that my concern is not unwarranted.  It is very improbable for a casino to receive 1.2M bitcoins wagered and still tread far below their expected profit.

The house edge is only 1%, it isn't that improbable.

[ghibly79]

I'll acknowledge that the domain argument is not very powerful, however it is clear that my concern is not unwarranted.  It is very improbable for a casino to receive 1.2M bitcoins wagered and still tread far below their expected profit.

Not improbable when one guy does single bets that high (100-500 btc a go). As I wrote in the other thread, many players had doubled/tripled or even more small bankrolls, eventually losing. Not so surprising for a guy with a 10k+ bankroll to win 8k (80%).

It's like winning 8 btc starting with 10, doing 0.1-0.5 btc single bets. Not unlikely at all, seen it hundreds of times.

[Professor James Moriarty]

 ahahahha , I once said this as a joke , never thought people would actually believe in something like this If doog made this , he could have taken 50k+ and run at certain point (just-dice was invested 30K+ at one point) so why would he scam 1-2k ? when he could have taken 30 times more If someone steals 50k , you will never hear from that person ever again , not even fbi will find him for that amount of money ask saul goodman he can find you the guy who can dissapear you for 250k dollars

[ASICSRUS]

As an investor of Just-Dice who is now down a very considerable amount of coins (Now fully divested however), I'd like to open up this thread in dedication to bringing Doog, Just-Dice, and Letsdice to justice.

Dooglus has access to the non hashed server seeds, meaning he knows what the rolls are going to be ahead of time. Due to this he is able to bet on his alias Celeste/nakowa/allover & win excessive amounts of Bitcoin. With the name AllOver I almost feel like I'm being mocked at this point.

This EXTREMELY ODD evidence is what triggered this investigation and my realization that I was scammed for well over 50 BTC on my investment.
 
Just-Dice & Towtoad were registered a week between each other. Meaning Celeste/Nakowa had already planned on releasing a dice site BEFORE he won the excessive money from JD? It sounds like planning ahead to me... planning ahead a ponzi
 
- But why would Doog make towtoad.com?
It's fairly obvious that Doog is a smart person. In order to cover his tracks and make his scheme look more legitimate, he opened a competitor site to give the illusion it isn't him. When first confronting Doog, his reply was "But didn't Celeste go make a rival site" (Or something along those lines). It's obvious this is his 'fall back' excuse which he's hoping will consolidate his ponzi. Shame he forgot to differentiate the domains...
 
- But wouldn't coding a new dice site outweigh that small illusion he'd be presenting?
Towtoad was a complete copy of Just-Dice, there were slight design changes & a few extra features which Doog was probably planning on implementing on Just-Dice but decided against it for whatever reason. It wouldn't have taken more than a few hours to have it up & running.
 
Please post in this thread any other evidence, explanations or suspicions that you fall upon! Lets bring this disgusting piece of work DOWN!

do you want this site removed? LOL

[darkmule]

Of all the idiocy I have ever seen on this site, this takes the cake.

[MPOE-PR]

As an investor of Just-Dice who is now down a very considerable amount of coins (Now fully divested however), I'd like to open up this thread in dedication to bringing Doog, Just-Dice, and Letsdice to justice.

Dooglus has access to the non hashed server seeds, meaning he knows what the rolls are going to be ahead of time. Due to this he is able to bet on his alias Celeste/nakowa/allover & win excessive amounts of Bitcoin. With the name AllOver I almost feel like I'm being mocked at this point.

This EXTREMELY ODD evidence is what triggered this investigation and my realization that I was scammed for well over 50 BTC on my investment.
 
Just-Dice & Towtoad were registered a week between each other. Meaning Celeste/Nakowa had already planned on releasing a dice site BEFORE he won the excessive money from JD? It sounds like planning ahead to me... planning ahead a ponzi
 
- But why would Doog make towtoad.com?
It's fairly obvious that Doog is a smart person. In order to cover his tracks and make his scheme look more legitimate, he opened a competitor site to give the illusion it isn't him. When first confronting Doog, his reply was "But didn't Celeste go make a rival site" (Or something along those lines). It's obvious this is his 'fall back' excuse which he's hoping will consolidate his ponzi. Shame he forgot to differentiate the domains...
 
- But wouldn't coding a new dice site outweigh that small illusion he'd be presenting?
Towtoad was a complete copy of Just-Dice, there were slight design changes & a few extra features which Doog was probably planning on implementing on Just-Dice but decided against it for whatever reason. It wouldn't have taken more than a few hours to have it up & running.
 
Please post in this thread any other evidence, explanations or suspicions that you fall upon! Lets bring this disgusting piece of work DOWN!

Your reasoning suffers from a lot of quite visible bias (easily explainable, you lost BTC). While that doesn't make it wrong, it does make it unworthy of consideration (and if you're wondering, this is why conspiracy theorists are universally derided: not because they're right or wrong, but because pretty much nobody cares to cut through the bias cream to get to a factual determination of right or wrong).

It is in general a great idea to look for holes, flaws, and problems in any business scheme proposed in BTC. We've always encouraged it, people have always been doing it. In order for it to be useful it has to be done better than a mess of post hoc ergo propter hoc and assorted augural practices.

More practically, you are never ever under any circumstances to invest ANY sum of BTC, even if you don't consider it "significant", and even if it is in point of fact not significant, until you've spent at the very least six months reading the wisdom of #bitcoin-assets, or being told there that you'll probably be okay, whichever comes later. This last point is very important, as it sounds for all of you noobs: stop acting like you're alone on an island and just invented Bitcoin. People much smarter than you have been involved for years by now, and going forth on delusions of grandeur will just get you burned.

[ASICSRUS]

Of all the idiocy I have ever seen on this site, this takes the cake.

how absurd to try and attempt to identify bad actors when you get ffked!!!=)LOL

[ASICSRUS]

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[Daggett993]

I would like the redact my claims.  It seems I let my bias get the best of me and I don't like baseless scam accusations from others on the forum, so it seems that I should hold myself to the same standard.

While I still believe certain things are suspicious about the big JD losses, I would like nothing more than an open discussion of it.  Thank you all and apologizes for coming off so strong.

[01BTC10]

When players lose it's suspicious and when the casino lose it's suspicious. Oh well.

[Birdy]

I would like the redact my claims.  It seems I let my bias get the best of me and I don't like baseless scam accusations from others on the forum, so it seems that I should hold myself to the same standard.

While I still believe certain things are suspicious about the big JD losses, I would like nothing more than an open discussion of it.  Thank you all and apologizes for coming off so strong.

I think it's great that you did that, most people defend being right like the holy grail or just disappear when their arguments don't hold up.

[Adelex]

Of all the idiocy I have ever seen on this site, this takes the cake.

+1

[xaviarlol]

I love how every time the site makes a significant loss, people come out of the wood work and accuse dooglus of being a scammer.

[Vycid]

I would like the redact my claims.  It seems I let my bias get the best of me and I don't like baseless scam accusations from others on the forum, so it seems that I should hold myself to the same standard.

While I still believe certain things are suspicious about the big JD losses, I would like nothing more than an open discussion of it.  Thank you all and apologizes for coming off so strong.

I think it's great that you did that, most people defend being right like the holy grail or just disappear when their arguments don't hold up.

I agree as well. Accountability is often notably absent on these forums. This was big of you. Even if you can't control your bias (understandable after your losses), you can control your ego.

Thank you for setting a standard for rational discussion.

[ASICSRUS]

I would like the redact my claims.  It seems I let my bias get the best of me and I don't like baseless scam accusations from others on the forum, so it seems that I should hold myself to the same standard.

While I still believe certain things are suspicious about the big JD losses, I would like nothing more than an open discussion of it.  Thank you all and apologizes for coming off so strong.

nigle please wtf we were getting ready to release the hounds.. LOL