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February 27, 2018, 04:55:18 AM
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A proposal which will claim even a bigger problem for those newbies who can't make such quality post.

A post from Mind Control regarding those on the high rank that uses alt accounta just to farm some merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3027369.msg31145236#msg31145236

If they can't find all the users who abuse the system then the possibility of theymos to raise it will be on the edge. Therefore a lot of them wont be able too last with their alt accounts and this will also guarantee that the newbies will make alot of effort to grow and improve their quality of writing.

Watch out for Lutpin and Blockeyes Campaigns!

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February 27, 2018, 05:47:32 AM
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It is a good idea, though it is also a bad idea. Not all of the jr. Members here in the forum are alt account of a higher rank member. Remember that when you make an account here in the forum, you need to pay for it. Increasing the required merit for ranking up will just create more complains.

Also, members will gain merit to reach a hundred to be a full member. I think that is fair enough, unless you relly have some members that will give you merit.
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February 27, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
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Hindi ko masyadong naintindihan ang topic kanina dahil sa english ito pero nakuha ko naman kung ano ba talaga ang ipinahihiwatig ng topic nato?

Mas lalong mahihirapan ang mga jr.members para mag rank up kung dadagdagan ang required merit para sa pagiging member dahil sa 10 lang ang required na para dito madaming new accounts ng mga alts ang madaling nag rank up sa member. In favor ba ang community at si theymos sa mga proposal na ganyan?

Para kay OP pwede naman po itagalog yung topic dahil nandito naman tayo sa sub forum. Karamihan kasi satin dito hndi masyadong nakakaintindi ng english kaya dapat talaga tagalog lang. Mas makakatulong talaga ito sa mga taong naghahanap ng impormasyon dahil maiintindihan talaga ito ng mabuti.
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February 27, 2018, 04:55:36 PM
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A proposal which will claim even a bigger problem for those newbies who can't make such quality post.

A post from Mind Control regarding those on the high rank that uses alt accounta just to farm some merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3027369.msg31145236#msg31145236

If they can't find all the users who abuse the system then the possibility of theymos to raise it will be on the edge. Therefore a lot of them wont be able too last with their alt accounts and this will also guarantee that the newbies will make alot of effort to grow and improve their quality of writing.

Watch out for Lutpin and Blockeyes Campaigns!

Credits to the owner of the post mentioned above.



They just did this since it makes this forum a money farm and not a forum anymore that people interact with each other by replying or posting stuffs and just leave it. I also do this but having a huge number of alt accounts looks like its intention is to earn money but the consequence is that the forum will look like trash because of alt accounts that surround the community. Theymos is just doing its job as a moderator and we users should preserve the prestige of the forum. This forum runs since 2009 I think or earlier so we need to maintain it and prevent greedy people to overcome the site.
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February 27, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
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Scary but should be. It's a way of professionalizing the unprofessionals. It will really be a tough one though for us newbies but that should challenge us to learn more about this stuff and prove our worth.

Kuya Mevz, maganda naman ang suggestion mo pero magiging limited ang mundo natin kung aasa na lang lagi sa tagalog lalo pa at karamihan sa discussion dito lalo na sa ibang forum e english. Challenge talaga. May mga forums akong nababasa na very technical ang gamit. Kanina lang nabasa ko ang transaction hash..nagsearch ako. Yung transaction id or username ko lang pala yun. Kaya natin yan. Tiyaga lang.
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February 27, 2018, 09:57:50 PM
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Ok lng naman ang english natuto tayo umintindi ng mas malalim tsaka natranslate naman dito maayos kahit tagalog post mo kung mangyayare english mahihirapan magpost ung iba .buti nga to forum na to automatic na may translator. Cool
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February 28, 2018, 02:05:57 AM
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A proposal which will claim even a bigger problem for those newbies who can't make such quality post.

A post from Mind Control regarding those on the high rank that uses alt accounta just to farm some merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3027369.msg31145236#msg31145236

If they can't find all the users who abuse the system then the possibility of theymos to raise it will be on the edge. Therefore a lot of them wont be able too last with their alt accounts and this will also guarantee that the newbies will make alot of effort to grow and improve their quality of writing.

Watch out for Lutpin and Blockeyes Campaigns!

Credits to the owner of the post mentioned above
No bro! Increasing the merit will never be the answer para ma-stop ang farming accounts at posible pa dumama ang pagbebenta ng accounts Dahil madami ang matutukso na bumili dahil Hindi nila kaya na magrank up. Ang sa tingin ko na magandang gawin in theymos ay limitahan ang bilang ng mga newly registered accounts at taasan ang activity at panahon ng pagrank up, bukod Jan wag hayaan na magpost agad ang mga brand new accounts para magspent sila ng pagbabasa at ng maiwasan ang mga paulit ulit na tanong na dahilan kung bakit dumadami ang spam messages na isa pa sa mga problema nila. Dahil din sa allow and newly accounts na magpost natutukso sila na gumawa ng maraming spam messages para din agad magrank up. At dahil nakasanayan nila ang ganitong gawain itutuloy-tuloy na nila.

Quote from: Mind Control on February 26, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
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I see many Jr. Members easily rank up to Member because the required Merits is only 10.
Pagdating dito wala namang problema kung trinabaho talaga nila ito sa pamamagitan ng pagcreate ng mga quality posts.

Quote from: Mind Control on February 26, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
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And I can see many merit farming (an example:
 see here).
Ito sa tingin ko ay kasama sa mga dahilan kung bakit may merit, para mahuli ang mga farming ang dishonest person.
Over all walang Hindi tama sa 10 merit para magmember ang isang accounts. Ito ay napakapatas na systema at mainam na panghuli sa mga madaya and abuser although Hindi parin lahat but at least may nagyayari at nare-restore paunti unti ang kalinisan ng forum.
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February 28, 2018, 02:52:02 AM
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Ang nakikita ko is that dapat magkaroon kahit papano ng merit source ang bawat local forums since hindi naman lahat ay native english speakers.

Dapat balance ang allocation ng merit kahit hindi ito nasa English dahil sa mga local thread mas madaling iparating sa kapwa natin ang impormasyon na nakaTagalog at kung ito ay nakakatulong rin sa kapwa natin e dapat mabigyan rin ito ng merit.

Ang labanan kasi sa labas e pagalingan maipresenta ang iyong opinion na may saysay at makabuluhan sa English na nakakabawas sa change ng kapwa natin na earn ng merit bukod sa sarili nating board. Nababasa ko rin kasi dito sa thread natin na may mga  nahihirapan makaintindi sa mga pinaguusapan in English na hindi sila ganun kagaling na makaintindi at makareply agad sa mga threads outside ng local board natin kahit na ang 2nd language natin dito sa Pilipinas ay Ingles.
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February 28, 2018, 04:05:30 AM
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Medyo mahirap na nga maka earn ng merits sa tulad kong Jr. Member. Pero kung sa ikagaganda naman ng diskusyon dito, pabor ako dyan. Yung iba kasi maka post lang, ayos na. 25 merits sakto na sa pagiging member.

Kapag ba nagbigay ka ng merit, mawawala sayo? O baka naman kasi iniisip ng iba na mababawasan sila ng merit kapag nagbigay. Kahit naman yung mga high rank members, naghahabol din ng merits.
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February 28, 2018, 02:06:35 PM
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This is the best thing to do wala silang choice kundi gawin to dahil lahat halos ay nagbbreak na ng rules, sabihin na lang natin na parang ama natin ang administrator dito at kailangan niya tayong paluin para matuto tayo ng mga bagay bagay diba kasi merong mga rules eh pero karamihan hindi natin sinusunod.

Much better na po to kaysa tuluyan ng magkaroon ng world war dito sa forum dahil affected tayong mga pinoy, kaya it is either face this or back to reality work nalang tayo.
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March 01, 2018, 01:14:48 AM
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It's not easy to go up the highest rank, its a risky.especially there's a merit system, but it's a rule in this forum,then we have to follow.
I know, it's a big issue like us as a junior member.
Cause it's tough to go up, but to wait and learn.
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March 01, 2018, 01:33:58 AM
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Pasalamat nalang din po tayo guys because they were so considerate ang kailangan lang po nating gawin ay maging worth it tayo, saan ka makakakita ng ganitong klase ng forum na win win situation natututo ka na may chance pang kumita diba, don't just after the kitaan din dahil to follow yon once na matuto tayo dito hindi tayo mawawalan kaya wala po tayo dapat ipangamba.

Ang ipangamba natin ay kung paano tayo matututo paano tayo magstart, dapat ngayon palang magsimula na tayo dahil magiging foundatin natin lahat yon, don't take merit as a negative dahil para sa atin yon lahat, take it as an opportunity to prove ourselves.
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A proposal which will claim even a bigger problem for those newbies who can't make such quality post.

A post from Mind Control regarding those on the high rank that uses alt accounta just to farm some merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3027369.msg31145236#msg31145236

If they can't find all the users who abuse the system then the possibility of theymos to raise it will be on the edge. Therefore a lot of them wont be able too last with their alt accounts and this will also guarantee that the newbies will make alot of effort to grow and improve their quality of writing.

Watch out for Lutpin and Blockeyes Campaigns!

Credits to the owner of the post mentioned above.



I see my thread was noticed in our local board and I appreciate this recognition  Cool
I see my proposal could give bigger problems to Newbies (the real Newbies), however, it's just a fair policy since the forum is seeking for quality posts

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Thanks for the credit, but I need Merits. LOL! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy This is just a joke, don't take this seriously  Grin



It is a good idea, though it is also a bad idea. Not all of the jr. Members here in the forum are alt account of a higher rank member. Remember that when you make an account here in the forum, you need to pay for it. Increasing the required merit for ranking up will just create more complains.

I am quite aware that Newbies are true Newbies, however, many are just an alt of someone with high-ranked account/s.
Not all accounts made in this forum has to pay, it's only applicable to those people who used an evil IP upon their registration.

This is a private forum, if they are to complain about the forums policy about ranking up then they can always leave.


Mas lalong mahihirapan ang mga jr.members para mag rank up kung dadagdagan ang required merit para sa pagiging member dahil sa 10 lang ang required na para dito madaming new accounts ng mga alts ang madaling nag rank up sa member. In favor ba ang community at si theymos sa mga proposal na ganyan? 

Nag-aaccept naman si theymos ng proposal. Pero depende na sa kanya/kanila (kung sino man ang magdedesisyon) kung ito ay makakabuti sa forum o hindi.

Ang point naman ng merit system ay hindi pahirapan ang mga tao kundi para matuto ang mga tao dito na magpost ng may kwenta at nakakatulong na post sa community.

Scary but should be. It's a way of professionalizing the unprofessionals. It will really be a tough one though for us newbies but that should challenge us to learn more about this stuff and prove our worth.

I like your optimism regarding the proposal, accepting changes as a from of challenge. Many might get discouraged but to those people who wants to help and learn will not pay attention to the required merit in order for them to rank up. This is because, like I said in a different thread, ranks are just ranks, merits are just merits.



No bro! Increasing the merit will never be the answer para ma-stop ang farming accounts at posible pa dumama ang pagbebenta ng accounts Dahil madami ang matutukso na bumili dahil Hindi nila kaya na magrank up. Ang sa tingin ko na magandang gawin in theymos ay limitahan ang bilang ng mga newly registered accounts at taasan ang activity at panahon ng pagrank up, bukod Jan wag hayaan na magpost agad ang mga brand new accounts para magspent sila ng pagbabasa at ng maiwasan ang mga paulit ulit na tanong na dahilan kung bakit dumadami ang spam messages na isa pa sa mga problema nila. Dahil din sa allow and newly accounts na magpost natutukso sila na gumawa ng maraming spam messages para din agad magrank up. At dahil nakasanayan nila ang ganitong gawain itutuloy-tuloy na nila.

There will be no concrete policy that could stop account farming 100%, unless theymos will impose that alts will be banned or make bounties and signature campaigns be banned.

In time, mauubos din ang mga sMerit ng iba. Kung hindi man nila gamitin eh madedecay din sila so sino ang magbebenta ng merit? Merit sources? Hindi ito mangyayari kasi si theymos mismo ang pipili ng magiging Merit Source at kung may mapatunayan mang nagbebenta ng merit eh siguradong red trust agad.

Quote from: Mind Control on February 26, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
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I see many Jr. Members easily rank up to Member because the required Merits is only 10.
Pagdating dito wala namang problema kung trinabaho talaga nila ito sa pamamagitan ng pagcreate ng mga quality posts.

Wala naman talaga, pero mas maganda kung daragdagan upang machallenge ang mga Newbie at Jr. Member para magpost ng makabuluhan at hindi para lang madagdagan ang post nila para sa signature campaign o para mag rank up.

Quote from: Mind Control on February 26, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
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And I can see many merit farming (an example:
 see here).
Ito sa tingin ko ay kasama sa mga dahilan kung bakit may merit, para mahuli ang mga farming ang dishonest person.
Over all walang Hindi tama sa 10 merit para magmember ang isang accounts. Ito ay napakapatas na systema at mainam na panghuli sa mga madaya and abuser although Hindi parin lahat but at least may nagyayari at nare-restore paunti unti ang kalinisan ng forum.

Wala namang hindi tama sa 10 merits, wala namang nagsabing mali ito.



Ang nakikita ko is that dapat magkaroon kahit papano ng merit source ang bawat local forums since hindi naman lahat ay native english speakers.

Dapat balance ang allocation ng merit kahit hindi ito nasa English dahil sa mga local thread mas madaling iparating sa kapwa natin ang impormasyon na nakaTagalog at kung ito ay nakakatulong rin sa kapwa natin e dapat mabigyan rin ito ng merit.

Ang labanan kasi sa labas e pagalingan maipresenta ang iyong opinion na may saysay at makabuluhan sa English na nakakabawas sa change ng kapwa natin na earn ng merit bukod sa sarili nating board. Nababasa ko rin kasi dito sa thread natin na may mga  nahihirapan makaintindi sa mga pinaguusapan in English na hindi sila ganun kagaling na makaintindi at makareply agad sa mga threads outside ng local board natin kahit na ang 2nd language natin dito sa Pilipinas ay Ingles.

May merit source din sa mga local board, si sir Dabs at rickbig41 ay merit souce dito sa atin. Obvious ito dahil marami akong nakikitang binibigyan nila ng merit partikular si sir rickbig41.

Medyo mahirap na nga maka earn ng merits sa tulad kong Jr. Member. Pero kung sa ikagaganda naman ng diskusyon dito, pabor ako dyan. Yung iba kasi maka post lang, ayos na. 25 merits sakto na sa pagiging member.

Kapag ba nagbigay ka ng merit, mawawala sayo? O baka naman kasi iniisip ng iba na mababawasan sila ng merit kapag nagbigay. Kahit naman yung mga high rank members, naghahabol din ng merits.

Kung mahirap maka earn ng merit, mag basa basa at mag-aral pa tungkol sa crypto, et. al. Salamat din at nakita mo ung perception ko regarding my proposal.

Hindi nababawasan ang Merit. Basta kapag may merit ka eh sayo na un. Ang nababawasan sayo kapag nagbigay ka ng merit ay ang iyong sMerit (spendable Merit).
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March 01, 2018, 03:46:44 AM
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I think this merit system has also a problem on the other side. Those who has a newbie ranks makinh more accounts to have more Jr. Member. That what I saw that theres so many Jr. Member stock on their ranks. That's they are pushed to create new and posting again nonsense post. This is only my opinion.
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March 01, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
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Every rank is required merit is based on how we explained the topic, the worthiness,  value, excellence and etc.  The system need to update to required amount of merit because there's a lot of new account and easily rank up. But if we earn merits on how to deliver the quality of thoughts and ideas then some of members give some rewards.
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Maganda rin naman yung merit system pero kung pagbabasihan natin marami ang hindi nabibigyan ng merits dahil ang mas bibigyan priority ng mga high ranking ay yung mga alts nila, kaya kung mapapansin ninyo mas marami ang hindi nakakapag rank up o hindi nabibigyan ng chance magkamerit kahit alam naman nila na qualified naman ang post ng user. Kung ngayon palang hirap na kami mabigyan ng merits paano pa kaya kung tataasan pa ang required merits para maka pagrank-up, sa mga high rank ok lang sa kanila kasi given na ang merits sa kanila how about sa mga newbie katulad namin pinagsisikapan na makagawa ng quality post pero hindi nabibigyan pansin dahil kaysa ibigay sa iba sarili nalang nya makikinabang. 
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March 01, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
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A proposal which will claim even a bigger problem for those newbies who can't make such quality post.

A post from Mind Control regarding those on the high rank that uses alt accounta just to farm some merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3027369.msg31145236#msg31145236

If they can't find all the users who abuse the system then the possibility of theymos to raise it will be on the edge. Therefore a lot of them wont be able too last with their alt accounts and this will also guarantee that the newbies will make alot of effort to grow and improve their quality of writing.

Watch out for Lutpin and Blockeyes Campaigns!

Credits to the owner of the post mentioned above.



akala kasi ng iba mas makakalusot ang paraan na ginagawa nila pinatunayan lamang nila na marami silang account, nahulog lamang sila sa patibong, marami akong nakita na nagkaroon ng redtrust kasi kita naman na sila lamang ang nagbibigayan ng merit sa isat isa.
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Hindi ko masyadong naintindihan ang topic kanina dahil sa english ito pero nakuha ko naman kung ano ba talaga ang ipinahihiwatig ng topic nato?

Mas lalong mahihirapan ang mga jr.members para mag rank up kung dadagdagan ang required merit para sa pagiging member dahil sa 10 lang ang required na para dito madaming new accounts ng mga alts ang madaling nag rank up sa member. In favor ba ang community at si theymos sa mga proposal na ganyan?

Para kay OP pwede naman po itagalog yung topic dahil nandito naman tayo sa sub forum. Karamihan kasi satin dito hndi masyadong nakakaintindi ng english kaya dapat talaga tagalog lang. Mas makakatulong talaga ito sa mga taong naghahanap ng impormasyon dahil maiintindihan talaga ito ng mabuti.

Tama ka dyan ka bayan, dapat tagalog talaga ang mga post natin sa ating thread dahil tayo naman ay mga pilipino rito, una tulad ng sinabi mo marami talaga sa atin ang hindi maitatanggi na hindi ganon kagaling mag english, so paano maslalaong makakatulong ang impormasyon na ipopost natin dito kong Philippines thread na nga English parin.
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March 01, 2018, 08:44:13 AM
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Ang tingin ko dito is binili lang nila ung merit para makapag rank up and makasali sa mga campaign, yan talaga hirap sa iba eh. Sana nakakatulong sila sa forum hindi ung gusto lang mag rank up para kumita.
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March 01, 2018, 09:03:45 AM
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sa tingin ko maganda na itong may merit system kase dito binabase yung quality ng post mo at para mag rank up ka kailangan mo mag karoon ng mga merits mula sa iba pa . pero naririnig rinig ko na may iba daw na binibili ang merit para lang mag rank up sila
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