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July 06, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
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1) no comment, I have not enough skills to estimate the implications

2) as soon as price would tenfold, the problems would come back. But perhaps you can bind the PoW difficulty to the PoS difficulty in some way.

3) possible
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July 06, 2017, 05:01:45 PM
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1) no comment, I have not enough skills to estimate the implications

2) as soon as price would tenfold, the problems would come back. But perhaps you can bind the PoW difficulty to the PoS difficulty in some way.

3) possible

1 should be fine. PoS is moving many coins with no PoW.

2. Good Point.

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July 06, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
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Hey Everyone.

Would like a quick feedback/vote.

Right now the difficulty for HBN is very low. Not many miners these days. And those who are mining are taking advantage via flash mining. They wait until no blocks have been mined for hours and the diff drifts lower and lower, then they turn on 100+ mh/s and crush though block after block after block.  This either causes large Regorgs or wallet delays.

So I would like to do something for this.   Here are a few options.

1) Turn off PoW of completely.
2) Set minimum PoW Difficulty to say 2 or 3 or higher.
3) Only allow 1 PoW block for every 5 PoS blocks.

I am leaning towards 1 or 3. Likely 1.  Would like to implement something before July is over. So going to move quickly..

What say ye?  



definitely not to turn off completely , It is great still have a possibility to dig some hobonickels by yourself.  2 and 3 looks too hardcoded as well. I would prefer some dynamic algorithm applied. something like every second block can be POWed and if there is flashmining like u said set even worse scarcity next rounds .. more work I know Smiley

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July 06, 2017, 06:44:11 PM
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I'd ask a slightly different question.
How many people keep their wallets offline until stake time due to cpu / memory issues?

If that is the root cause of low difficulty, look to repair the flaw and the average difficulty will go up when all wallets are online and chugging.

yeah I do say that as one of the guilty. Also wish I was not.

Otherwise, yeah, probably kill POW but care with network security.
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July 06, 2017, 06:49:21 PM
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I'd ask a slightly different question.
How many people keep their wallets offline until stake time due to cpu / memory issues?

If that is the root cause of low difficulty, look to repair the flaw and the average difficulty will go up when all wallets are online and chugging.

yeah I do say that as one of the guilty. Also wish I was not.

Otherwise, yeah, probably kill POW but care with network security.

This is good point. CPU will be address along with this Fork. Will memory? Hopefully, but that might be later.

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July 06, 2017, 07:02:56 PM
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I'd ask a slightly different question.
How many people keep their wallets offline until stake time due to cpu / memory issues?

If that is the root cause of low difficulty, look to repair the flaw and the average difficulty will go up when all wallets are online and chugging.

yeah I do say that as one of the guilty. Also wish I was not.

Otherwise, yeah, probably kill POW but care with network security.

This is good point. CPU will be address along with this Fork. Will memory? Hopefully, but that might be later.

Would be great to have a POS coin working nicely on ultra low cost hardware RPi etc.
I know people did this in the early days with HBN but .... works anymore?

As an aside what thoughts on linking the wallet / address online time with minting/mining?
I believe CLAM has a requirement to be active on the network for x period as well as have coin age.
Can that also be applied to POW? If so it could curtail flash mining somehow?
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July 06, 2017, 07:22:06 PM
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Would be great to have a POS coin working nicely on ultra low cost hardware RPi etc.
I know people did this in the early days with HBN but .... works anymore?

As an aside what thoughts on linking the wallet / address online time with minting/mining?
I believe CLAM has a requirement to be active on the network for x period as well as have coin age.
Can that also be applied to POW? If so it could curtail flash mining somehow?

Agreed. I hope to be back on the Pi someday.

Sounds like Proof of Connection to me.  Sounds cool, but probably more complicated then needed.

Here is a very simple code to ensure only 1 PoW for every 1 PoS.

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if ( IsProofOfWork() && nHeight > POW_LIMIT_HEIGHT) )
    {
        if ( pindexPrev->IsProofOfWork())
           return error("AcceptBlock() : PoW must come afer PoS only");
    }

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July 06, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
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Would be great to have a POS coin working nicely on ultra low cost hardware RPi etc.
I know people did this in the early days with HBN but .... works anymore?

As an aside what thoughts on linking the wallet / address online time with minting/mining?
I believe CLAM has a requirement to be active on the network for x period as well as have coin age.
Can that also be applied to POW? If so it could curtail flash mining somehow?

Agreed. I hope to be back on the Pi someday.

Sounds like Proof of Connection to me.  Sounds cool, but probably more complicated then needed.

Here is a very simple code to ensure only 1 PoW for every 1 PoS.

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if ( IsProofOfWork() && nHeight > POW_LIMIT_HEIGHT) )
    {
        if ( pindexPrev->IsProofOfWork())
           return error("AcceptBlock() : PoW must come afer PoS only");
    }


Lots of stuff in crypto "sounds cool"

Solution is usually the simple one. Sold!
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July 06, 2017, 08:05:47 PM
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I heard read about people talking about hobonickles the other day. I thought they are dead I never heard of them much. It rings a bell a little bit. I want to know how many hobonickles should in to start off with a small but workable and meaningful sized investment ? I need to make sure I get enough weight for this staking or minting or whatever it's called.

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July 06, 2017, 08:29:50 PM
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I heard read about people talking about hobonickles the other day. I thought they are dead I never heard of them much. It rings a bell a little bit. I want to know how many hobonickles should in to start off with a small but workable and meaningful sized investment ? I need to make sure I get enough weight for this staking or minting or whatever it's called.

Well I guess that depends on what you consider "meaningful"

Difficulty is low and interest general paying @100% potential whenever I've looked recently.

take a look at this wallet
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/hbn/address.dws?F2JkrXiG99kVnj26FoXaFTg8FSBT8Lu992.htm
only ~1500HBN but staking away regularly
what $5 worth

So jump in !! Smiley
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July 06, 2017, 08:40:47 PM
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I heard read about people talking about hobonickles the other day. I thought they are dead I never heard of them much. It rings a bell a little bit. I want to know how many hobonickles should in to start off with a small but workable and meaningful sized investment ? I need to make sure I get enough weight for this staking or minting or whatever it's called.

Well I guess that depends on what you consider "meaningful"

Difficulty is low and interest general paying @100% potential whenever I've looked recently.

take a look at this wallet
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/hbn/address.dws?F2JkrXiG99kVnj26FoXaFTg8FSBT8Lu992.htm
only ~1500HBN but staking away regularly
what $5 worth

So jump in !! Smiley

Oh, somebody made his homework! A person who believes to know! The link is really boring, I can calm down, and stay in this coin.
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July 06, 2017, 08:47:26 PM
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I heard read about people talking about hobonickles the other day. I thought they are dead I never heard of them much. It rings a bell a little bit. I want to know how many hobonickles should in to start off with a small but workable and meaningful sized investment ? I need to make sure I get enough weight for this staking or minting or whatever it's called.

Well I guess that depends on what you consider "meaningful"

Difficulty is low and interest general paying @100% potential whenever I've looked recently.

take a look at this wallet
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/hbn/address.dws?F2JkrXiG99kVnj26FoXaFTg8FSBT8Lu992.htm
only ~1500HBN but staking away regularly
what $5 worth

So jump in !! Smiley

Oh, somebody made his homework! A person who believes to know! The link is really boring, I can calm down, and stay in this coin.
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July 06, 2017, 10:27:10 PM
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I am happy to see that hbn is loosing slowly its grounds in top 10 holder. I just got under 25 percent and falling. Compared to other similar cryptos this is so legit

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July 06, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
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speaking the tweaks.
I found it hell difficult to sent some bigger amount to other adress while want to send recently staked blocks in amount which is stakeable under the treshold .
Use case: would like to send 150k to someone in 5k block of most fresh coinst . currently it takes ages to do so.
first ... wallet is ugly laggy.
than coincontrol sort is laggy.
once first operation is done  and you go back to coin control there is no way it remembers your filter and position of collumns you made to make your selection simplier...


at the end i dont mind its the price of this lovely coin to handle ... but ..


if i check to send 150k and just say  : send in 5k  out of newest blocks and everything happens in one go... it would be great

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July 06, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
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I heard read about people talking about hobonickles the other day. I thought they are dead I never heard of them much. It rings a bell a little bit. I want to know how many hobonickles should in to start off with a small but workable and meaningful sized investment ? I need to make sure I get enough weight for this staking or minting or whatever it's called.

i recomend to collect multiplies of 5k sent in one transaction to yourself, set the maximum  threshold for combinethreshold and splitthreshold and just keep open to stake. enjoy

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July 06, 2017, 10:54:45 PM
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Hey Everyone.

Would like a quick feedback/vote.

Right now the difficulty for HBN is very low. Not many miners these days. And those who are mining are taking advantage via flash mining. They wait until no blocks have been mined for hours and the diff drifts lower and lower, then they turn on 100+ mh/s and crush though block after block after block.  This either causes large Regorgs or wallet delays.

So I would like to do something for this.   Here are a few options.

1) Turn off PoW of completely.
2) Set minimum PoW Difficulty to say 2 or 3 or higher.
3) Only allow 1 PoW block for every 5 PoS blocks.

I am leaning towards 1 or 3. Likely 1.  Would like to implement something before July is over. So going to move quickly..

What say ye?  




Why not combine point 2) and 3) ??
I would set min PoW difficulty to 5 because the mining hardware power increased over the recent years.
You also could check a faster PoW difficulty adjustment.
If more than 2 PoW coins were created the last 30 seconds then adjust the new difficulty while multiplying it by the to much created coins.

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July 06, 2017, 11:51:36 PM
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speaking the tweaks.
I found it hell difficult to sent some bigger amount to other adress while want to send recently staked blocks in amount which is stakeable under the treshold .
Use case: would like to send 150k to someone in 5k block of most fresh coinst . currently it takes ages to do so.
first ... wallet is ugly laggy.
than coincontrol sort is laggy.
once first operation is done  and you go back to coin control there is no way it remembers your filter and position of collumns you made to make your selection simplier...


at the end i dont mind its the price of this lovely coin to handle ... but ..


if i check to send 150k and just say  : send in 5k  out of newest blocks and everything happens in one go... it would be great


Noted and I agree. Part of the laggyness also comes from flash mining and part from staking. I like how PressTab did the split via HyperStake. I will look to implement that as well!  Lots to do..


Why not combine point 2) and 3) ??
I would set min PoW difficulty to 5 because the mining hardware power increased over the recent years.
You also could check a faster PoW difficulty adjustment.
If more than 2 PoW coins were created the last 30 seconds then adjust the new difficulty while multiplying it by the to much created coins.



I am actually coding up combining 1 and 3.

At block 5.7 million every PoW must only come after a PoS block. Or if no block is found in 10 minutes.
At block 6.0 million only if no block is found after 10 mins.

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July 08, 2017, 03:28:58 AM
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Here is what I have come up with. I will be doing more testing, so might be some tweaks but this should be pretty solid.  

https://github.com/Tranz5/HoboNickels/commit/e14a28cce0967110327f758066c11922af94aa5e

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Proof of Work Limits

From Block 5.6m PoW will only be accepted after a Stake block, or 10minutes with no block.
From Block 6.0m PoW will only be accepted after 10 mins with no block.
Bump to version 1.5.3.0 and update Proto Version, will send alerts.
Bump back down the DB version , as LevelDB1.9 "should" work fine as a drop in with LevelDB 1.7

Let me know your feedback if you have it.

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July 08, 2017, 07:16:19 AM
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Here is what I have come up with. I will be doing more testing, so might be some tweaks but this should be pretty solid.  

https://github.com/Tranz5/HoboNickels/commit/e14a28cce0967110327f758066c11922af94aa5e

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Proof of Work Limits

From Block 5.6m PoW will only be accepted after a Stake block, or 10minutes with no block.
From Block 6.0m PoW will only be accepted after 10 mins with no block.
Bump to version 1.5.3.0 and update Proto Version, will send alerts.
Bump back down the DB version , as LevelDB1.9 "should" work fine as a drop in with LevelDB 1.7

Let me know your feedback if you have it.


First of all, Tranz, I really respect you. But 5-6 million blocks is very, very much for computer resources, especially if you have a lot of POS coins.
Why not make a hardfork with a new blockchain? We need to do the simplest swap scheme. For example, the user downloads a new wallet v.2, replaces the v.2 wallet.dat file with old v.1 wallet.dat file, and starts working with the new blockchain. I remember, so did in the Syscoin project.
Thus, even if someone misses the swap process, he will never lose his share. And this can be done every 2-3 years.
Please consider my proposal.
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July 08, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
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Thank, amazing

I vote for "stake for charity" limit removal for above 50%
not critical, obviously

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