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Author Topic: HoboNickels - HBN - High Fast Stake - Version 2.0! More Secure, Less Intensive  (Read 408612 times)
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September 19, 2017, 09:06:05 AM
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So I do see your concern, but from what I see the min stake time really doesn't change this issue much. Any wallet can choice when they stake and when they don't want to.  So even if the min time was at 24hours, that doesn't mean the whale's wallet has to start staking then. He can hold off, gain weight, and wait until the % is where he wants and let his stakes go.  The longer he waits though the higher the chances each stake will get capped and they could lose money in the long run.

The only thing that 24 min time can help with would be if no one else did this, then the difficulty would be higher over time, and that would give them less opportunity to control the block chain.  Though this is negligible.  The 2 things that do help prevent a whale from controlling the chain are max weight and cap. No matter how long they weight the highest they get up to is 30 days. Also the reward cap is incentive not to do what you say as well.

No worries.  I am open to discussion even criticisms. I won't cry in my beer   Tongue

Also you say 115mb ram?  I have not observed this at all ! I am still at 2 gb on all my wallets. Now granted all my wallets go back to the first few months, but 115mb?!

OK had a sleep on this and the reward is reactionary to block speed right?
So it's not as bad as I first thought because over reporting of net weight doesn't do much


But .. the following point remain for better or worse.
By holding off staking a whale might raise the reward level then crush it back down with their own stakes .. risne , repeat.
This has not been a feature of HBN because we were nearly always at 100% with 20 second blocks and a 10 day delay lessens the motivation.
with a 1 day maturity a whale with little pre-planning and prep can target other wallets ( by causing stake capping or low reward) and drive reward to their own agenda.
The problem with 1 day maturity is thee is little cost in reorganising your wallet. Actually its kinda nice but open to abuse.
Potential eventual outcome is the rich Hobos get richer and pwn the less HBN affluent (not very libertarian crypto)


On the upside 1 day staking will attract impatient stake dumpers and an influx of stake dump speculation might create some much needed liquidity on the markets.
In the meantime 8.8 is fine with me.

MEMORY
Well up to 158 MB this morning (so it does appear to be rising) but all the same ... This is a new wallet from July this year. I transferred everything over during a period
of performance issues. recently I have burned through about 1000 stakes but have around 2k mature blocks pending up to 15 days . walet has ~4k transactions

After the fork performance was pretty iffy but improved quickly and consistently ( memory usage immediately after the fork was 30MB I'm on win10)
just combined a bunch of blocks and back to 92MB



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i don't see any trouble at all ^^
we stay with 8.8d, improper coin control display can be easily fixed in wallet revision,
hbn remains the same clumsy mammoth, just a bit slower as growing older lol

lol .. yeah or that slow old mammoth might be your pc trying to carry another old mammoth on its back.

tranz has basically granted my Christmas list here! he's even surprised himself !
Low cpu and a memory footprint I have to search for in task manager. (getting the feeling that might not last)



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September 19, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
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Also you say 115mb ram?  I have not observed this at all ! I am still at 2 gb on all my wallets. Now granted all my wallets go back to the first few months, but 115mb?!

beats me too, mine eats ~2.1GB no matter old or new
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September 19, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
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Also you say 115mb ram?  I have not observed this at all ! I am still at 2 gb on all my wallets. Now granted all my wallets go back to the first few months, but 115mb?!

beats me too, mine eats ~2.1GB no matter old or new

OK .. that would be weird then

I have been looking this morning at it on and off
An observed low of 60Mb and a current high of 125.9MB

Caps 930 MB
Clam 680 MB
HYP 546 MB

and others as expected.

scared to turn it off now .. praps I should just start a staking service while my luck is in Smiley

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September 19, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
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Also you say 115mb ram?  I have not observed this at all ! I am still at 2 gb on all my wallets. Now granted all my wallets go back to the first few months, but 115mb?!

beats me too, mine eats ~2.1GB no matter old or new

OK .. that would be weird then

I have been looking this morning at it on and off
An observed low of 60Mb and a current high of 125.9MB

Caps 930 MB
Clam 680 MB
HYP 546 MB

and others as expected.

scared to turn it off now .. praps I should just start a staking service while my luck is in Smiley

sounds to me like real fp minus 2GB Tongue
did you ever watch how it grows (in task manager) from the wallet start until fully functional ?
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September 19, 2017, 12:49:33 PM
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Also you say 115mb ram?  I have not observed this at all ! I am still at 2 gb on all my wallets. Now granted all my wallets go back to the first few months, but 115mb?!

beats me too, mine eats ~2.1GB no matter old or new

OK .. that would be weird then

I have been looking this morning at it on and off
An observed low of 60Mb and a current high of 125.9MB

Caps 930 MB
Clam 680 MB
HYP 546 MB

and others as expected.

scared to turn it off now .. praps I should just start a staking service while my luck is in Smiley

sounds to me like real fp minus 2GB Tongue
did you ever watch how it grows (in task manager) from the wallet start until fully functional ?



yeah I was just starring at it for about 20 seconds when I first noticed thinking it wa going to pop but nothing .. for days now

not restarted since the fork, no. I was thinking about a restart and watch and you all made me think twice.
I only have the info task manager gives so  .. go figure ...



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September 19, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
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yeah I was just starring at it for about 20 seconds when I first noticed thinking it wa going to pop but nothing .. for days now

not restarted since the fork, no. I was thinking about a restart and watch and you all made me think twice.
I only have the info task manager gives so  .. go figure ...

ask the hubby to restart it  Roll Eyes
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September 19, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
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yeah I was just starring at it for about 20 seconds when I first noticed thinking it wa going to pop but nothing .. for days now

not restarted since the fork, no. I was thinking about a restart and watch and you all made me think twice.
I only have the info task manager gives so  .. go figure ...

ask the hubby to restart it  Roll Eyes


hehehe .. you're a funny fellow

Actually thanks for the Kung Fury comment ... What a find!
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September 19, 2017, 11:06:37 PM
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Anyone experiencing any turbulence recently?

A few of my clients have received a large number of socket 10054 errors, followed by Misbehaving peers for too little proof of work?



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September 20, 2017, 05:19:12 PM
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Anyone experiencing any turbulence recently?

A few of my clients have received a large number of socket 10054 errors, followed by Misbehaving peers for too little proof of work?



Not at all!
It works like a charm!

Got the last 24hrs only 3 Orphans of 51 Stakes  Tongue

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September 20, 2017, 06:05:49 PM
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Good Job  Grin

2017-08-31 18:34:36 partner [2a01:4f8:202:7021::1806]:42221 using obsolete version 70007; disconnecting

What is this ? :

2017-08-31 18:31:06 socket recv error 10054
2017-08-31 18:33:48 socket recv error 10053



Hmm i have the socket recv error on the old client .... what is the problem ?

Code:
2017-09-20 17:55:09 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 17:55:15 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 17:55:42 SetBestChain: new best=2233da1903d4933779ab height=5672511 trust=134536583948663 blocktrust=14506116091 date=09/20/17 17:55:10
2017-09-20 17:55:42 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:56:56 SetBestChain: new best=b033df4fdbdee969bd4a height=5672512 trust=134551289535082 blocktrust=14705586419 date=09/20/17 17:56:37
2017-09-20 17:56:56 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:57:00 Flushed 9403 addresses to peers.dat  31ms
2017-09-20 17:57:22 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 17:57:30 SetBestChain: new best=00000000b57276dd4136 height=5672513 trust=134551289537837 blocktrust=2755 date=09/20/17 17:57:02
2017-09-20 17:57:30 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:58:13 SetBestChain: new best=70461a170d8918c48d18 height=5672514 trust=134566078351824 blocktrust=14788813987 date=09/20/17 17:57:40
2017-09-20 17:58:13 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:58:39 SetBestChain: new best=c5e38c08602c725a1953 height=5672515 trust=134581002843313 blocktrust=14924491489 date=09/20/17 17:58:17
2017-09-20 17:58:39 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:58:52 SetBestChain: new best=14ea79886bb1b16039b9 height=5672516 trust=134596121501051 blocktrust=15118657738 date=09/20/17 17:58:43
2017-09-20 17:58:52 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:59:14 SetBestChain: new best=00000001086f860e45d8 height=5672517 trust=134596121503869 blocktrust=2818 date=09/20/17 17:58:53
2017-09-20 17:59:14 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 17:59:34 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 17:59:40 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 18:00:33 SetBestChain: new best=e787534a9c882d9eac7e height=5672518 trust=134611461520111 blocktrust=15340016242 date=09/20/17 17:59:44
2017-09-20 18:00:33 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 18:01:42 ResendWalletTransactions()
2017-09-20 18:01:46 SetBestChain: new best=f19708d23b82d05d4bca height=5672519 trust=134626946780693 blocktrust=15485260582 date=09/20/17 18:01:40
2017-09-20 18:01:46 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2017-09-20 18:01:52 socket recv error 10054
2017-09-20 18:02:23 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : rejected by synchronized checkpoint
2017-09-20 18:02:23 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
2017-09-20 18:04:04 socket recv error 10054
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September 21, 2017, 12:38:13 AM
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Socket errors aren't bad in and of themselves. They simply mean the connection was lost for some reason. Those reasons can be a bad internent connection between the peers, it can be that the peer you are connected too will not accept any more connections because they are at the max.

The reason I had brought it up is that, it can also be if a peer bans you for misbehaving.  That was what I saw. I banned 3 or 4 clients, and I think 5 banned me as well. before I knew it i was down to  3 or 4. Now I am back to normal since the bans only last 24hrs.   But for the most part, they are nothing to worry about.

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September 21, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
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I think those attacks are hashpools who still think we have full PoW - they calculate how rewarding mining is and switch

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September 21, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
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I think those attacks are hashpools who still think we have full PoW - they calculate how rewarding mining is and switch
Might be possible. But I would still assume they are using wallet 2.0 and it would limit which blocks are even allowed to make it the network. But the odd thing was other wallets accepted it and relayed it. They should have just ignored it and banned that one bad block.

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September 22, 2017, 02:47:22 AM
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what is the ideal block size for staking?

is it still 5000 HBN?
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September 22, 2017, 03:37:28 AM
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what is the ideal block size for staking?

is it still 5000 HBN?

I think you can safety double it at this point and not worry about hitting the cap. Would hit it around day 30.

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September 22, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
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What Happened?

Newbie here.

Several years ago I mined HBN for a short while, and then turned to POS, which I have been doing ever since.  I manged to build up to around 60K HBN coins.  Prior to this change, my blocks (averaging 1,200 coins) staked in around 11 days and generated 30-35 coins per block.

Now, my blocks are taking much longer to stake, with one block already over 18 days.  The coins generated by the stake have also dropped by at least 50%.

I'm not very knowledgeable about crypto-currencies, and I'm not clear on what changed and why it changed.  Could someone please explain this in plain English?

Should I be concerned?  Is this normal behavior or is there something wrong with my wallet (on on version 2.0 by the way)?

Is a block size of 1200 coins too small?  Should I combine my blocks to get them up to 5K or 10K?

I've spent a lot of time over the years working the POS stakes, which I hope was not for naught.

Thanks,

Randall


 
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September 22, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
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What Happened?

Newbie here.

Several years ago I mined HBN for a short while, and then turned to POS, which I have been doing ever since.  I manged to build up to around 60K HBN coins.  Prior to this change, my blocks (averaging 1,200 coins) staked in around 11 days and generated 30-35 coins per block.

Now, my blocks are taking much longer to stake, with one block already over 18 days.  The coins generated by the stake have also dropped by at least 50%.

I'm not very knowledgeable about crypto-currencies, and I'm not clear on what changed and why it changed.  Could someone please explain this in plain English?



Welcome back Randall.
There were some challenges with the chain and Tranz (the dev) made some tweaks and forked to V.2.0.0 to get rid of the issues.
You just can read the posts to know what happened.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303749.4820


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Should I be concerned?  Is this normal behavior or is there something wrong with my wallet (on on version 2.0 by the way)?

Is a block size of 1200 coins too small?  Should I combine my blocks to get them up to 5K or 10K?

I've spent a lot of time over the years working the POS stakes, which I hope was not for naught.

Thanks,

Randall



Keep calm and drink a beer. Smiley
The behavior is "normal" at the moment.
Just follow Updates here and listen to the dev.



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September 22, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
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Thanks lightspeedy and hi Randall.

The original development of the coin did not have long term value and use in mind. It was meant to be one and done.  Due to this things were major issues. Most notably starting with wallet lag and bad orphan rate.  This was due to among many things 20 second block time. For a global network of wallets that were accepting blocks, relaying transactions and creating PoS blocks, it was not a long term feasible setting.

Also the PoW structured allowed for pools and users with high hash power to basically take over the chain and potentially cause other issues.  To fix this I first made the first change to limit PoW by only allowing it to come after a PoS block, and eventually at block 6.0 million it will be turned off.

Then I made further enhancements to the wallet to allow for more efficient quicker staking. This has the unintended consequences of causing lager wallets the ability take over chain, because they could calculate stake so quickly.  This only increased the issue of wallet lag and orphans and eventually caused a network split.

So the answer was to slow the chain down.  The slow down of the chain triggered a higher PoS difficulty and in turn a lower stake rate.  This is what you are seeing now.  The benefits are much lower inflation rate, very little wallet lag, much lower orphan rate, and a network that works much better.


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September 23, 2017, 03:11:10 AM
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A small announcement  Smiley

HOBOBOT - THE TWITTER TIP BOT!!

I have installed a TipBot for HoboNickels on Twitter.
The whole community is invited to give their followers a bit of HoboNickels to spread the HoboNickels to the people.


How does it work:
1. Follow HoboNickels_HBN on Twitter
2. Make a Tweet: Hobobot address -> The Hobobot will return your HBN deposit address.
3. Send some HoboNickels to your wallet which the bot gives you
4. Send your followers a tip: Hobobot tip @USER <AMOUNT>

Example:
Hobobot tip @Tranz 100

This command would send a tip of 100HBN to the Twitter Account of @Tranz
Cool Hah??

Bye the way; Do you have a twitter account Tranz???


I want to create later a custom website specially for this bot.
Unfortunately I'm a bit short in time, but I try my best.



HoboNickels to the MOON !!  Grin Grin Grin




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September 23, 2017, 04:32:39 AM
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So the answer was to slow the chain down.  The slow down of the chain triggered a higher PoS difficulty and in turn a lower stake rate.  This is what you are seeing now.  The benefits are much lower inflation rate, very little wallet lag, much lower orphan rate, and a network that works much better.

Thank you for the explanation, Tranz.  I understand a little better now.

I have a block that is 19 days old which has not staked.  Other blocks, younger than this one have staked.  Is this normal?  Is there anything I need to do for this block?

Thanks again.
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