Can you still believe aTriz words? Reopened, too many open questions

[alisafidel58]

My intention was never, ever to scam anyone. Everyone here has got it wrong.

[actmyname]

All casinos are EV- in the long run and thus all strategies. In the short run, many strategies can be profitable.

Fuck haikus for now
I'll educate you on maths
Strategies don't workIf you are advocating that strategies can be profitable then you must show non-anecdotal proof (as it is obviously invalid and can use specific sample sizes) that the expected value of each bet is positive.

However, in gambling, short-term/long-term expected value of a given strategy is the same. There is no statistical difference between them. Any claim that there IS a difference is either wrong or relies on the gambler's fallacy for a game with fixed terms. You even stated yourself in the feedback against RGBKey: "Naturally - [the script] is a mathematical fallacy, because the odds of the ten games are calculated in an isolated fashion and are not involved with each other."

How can you continue to disregard immutable proof?

Suppose we take bustabit's case: 1% house edge.

1% house edge?! So even if you cash out instantly at 1.00x, there's a 1% chance of loss? That's an overall negative trend.

For any given strategy, there's a 51:49 loss-to-win ratio. Doesn't matter what you do. That's an overall loss.

[suchmoon]

If you are advocating that strategies can be profitable then you must show non-anecdotal proof (as it is obviously invalid and can use specific sample sizes)

Nope, alia is doubling down on anecdotal proof with a tiny sample size:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369

[Quickseller]

If aTriz had not backed out, I would not have any trust as I would have suspected a hidden link, so good.

You would be suspicious of a hidden link if aTriz....honored his obligation...I don’t think that makes very much sense.

If there was a hidden link....couldn’t aTtiz simply pay alia in secret?

[scam_detector]

I will lock this thread on 06:00 PM forum time!

[scam_detector]

Another lie from alia.

SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER. BACKED OUT OF A CONTRACT WHERE THE TERMS WERE NOT BROKEN. DO NOT TRUST AT ALL COSTS

That's not true! She herself has said that she wants to back out from the contract because she can not meet the terms.

Clearly, aTriz is acting in bad faith. He may be a scammer, but I am not. I no longer intend to become Legendary, so I'll pay him back. aTriz, post an address and the amount I should repay you. And fuck you.

[actmyname]

Another lie from alia.

SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER. BACKED OUT OF A CONTRACT WHERE THE TERMS WERE NOT BROKEN. DO NOT TRUST AT ALL COSTS

That's not true! She herself has said that she wants to back out from the contract because she can not meet the terms.

Clearly, aTriz is acting in bad faith. He may be a scammer, but I am not. I no longer intend to become Legendary, so I'll pay him back. aTriz, post an address and the amount I should repay you. And fuck you.

One correction here
Regardless of the person
Truth is absolute

Not saying that this was the correct course of action but the way you organized the two quotes are in chronological order, not the other way around.

i.e. the post was created after the feedback was sent.

[LoyceV]

PAYMENT SENT. https://blockchain.info/tx/46828ece74b9e6fc30039e23adfaf63409b3838d9cab7143f05670f7c030eb19

Credit where credit is due: I didn't expect this, and with the low fee I still wasn't entirely convinced, until it confirmed after 5+ hours.
I'm not saying my faith is restored, but it's something. Well done.

I would like to formally apologize to everyone I insulted in this thread, because I was just pissed. The truth is, I am not a scammer, I repaid aTriz, and it was never my intention to scam anyone. To anyone I hurt - I'm sorry.

I won't get hurt by an anonymous person online saying anything, but it is a pattern I've seen with many people: they're very nice, until they don't get their way. Then all of a sudden they lose their decency, and with that also their dignity.
Life hack: No matter how you feel, stay polite, it's a great way to show you're in control (or not!).

you guys red tagged me for ALLEGED reasons

Using the account of a known red-tagged user is a perfectly valid reason to tag you too. That's common practice all over the forum.

If you honestly believe you're not here to scam anyone, you have an amazing talent of getting yourself into trouble, ranging from self-trust to tax evasion and denying math. If you happen to live with a known scammer and even share accounts, that would have been a good thing to mention. Honesty isn't the easy way, but it's valued (at least by me).
All of this combined is more than reasonable doubt.

[scam_detector]

Another lie from alia.

SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER. BACKED OUT OF A CONTRACT WHERE THE TERMS WERE NOT BROKEN. DO NOT TRUST AT ALL COSTS

That's not true! She herself has said that she wants to back out from the contract because she can not meet the terms.

Clearly, aTriz is acting in bad faith. He may be a scammer, but I am not. I no longer intend to become Legendary, so I'll pay him back. aTriz, post an address and the amount I should repay you. And fuck you.

One correction here
Regardless of the person
Truth is absolute

Not saying that this was the correct course of action but the way you organized the two quotes are in chronological order, not the other way around.

i.e. the post was created after the feedback was sent.

Pardon, I was not aware of that. I take back my statement.

I would like to formally apologize to everyone I insulted in this thread, because I was just pissed. The truth is, I am not a scammer, I repaid aTriz, and it was never my intention to scam anyone. To anyone I hurt - I'm sorry.

I won't get hurt by an anonymous person online saying anything, but it is a pattern I've seen with many people: they're very nice, until they don't get their way. Then all of a sudden they lose their decency, and with that also their dignity.
Life hack: No matter how you feel, stay polite, it's a great way to show you're in control (or not!).

And with this post I now lock the thread.

[marlboroza]

All casinos are EV- in the long run and thus all strategies. In the short run, many strategies can be profitable.

This has been discussed million times in gambling section 

Btw, sometimes is better to place one big bet than 100000 small bets.
It is simple math, lets say you have 1BTC bankroll:

1) place 1 BTC on payout 2X and you will either lose 1BTC or you will make 1BTC.
2) Divide 1BTC in 100,000,000 small bets and bet all on multiplier 2X and lets say house edge is 1%. In perfect conditions, you will win 45,000,000 bets and you will lose 55,000,000 bets, which means you will lose 0.1BTC in long run. If you continue to bet you will eventually lose all bankroll, because casino has 1% advantage over you.

Now, regarding strategies:

1) There is no such thing as short run or long run if you use strategies(martingale, fibonacci etc), because eventually bad streak will occur. Unless you have crystal ball there is no possible way to say when it will occur.
You can run martingale(or any other method) for days and eventually you will hit that bad streak and you will lose your bankroll.
You can run martingale(or any other method) for 10 seconds and very bad streak could happen and you will lose your bankroll.

In any case, no matter what method you use, you will lose your bankroll, unless you are in circle of 0.01% super lucky people who managed to beat casino and house edge.

So please, would you stop repeating that there is winning method because such method doesn't exist!

Stop writing nonsense, I am sick tired of ignorant people who are repeating nonsense in gambling section, THERE IS NO METHOD/STRATEGY/SCRIPT/BOT WHICH WILL HELP YOU TO BEAT CASINO.
Whoever is selling such script knows that, because if there is winning method seller would use it.

Besides, you said you were testing strategy for 2 years which is big red sign in first place because if you tested winning strategy it means that you made lots of money and you don't need to sell script to earn more!

OP please lock topic, we are all tired of reading shits posted by scammer.

[scam_detector]

OP please lock topic, we are all tired of reading shits posted by scammer.

Done.

[scam_detector]

I've spent a lot of time wondering if I should open this thread again and came to the conclusion that there are still too many questions that need to be answered. The impetus of my consideration, if I should reopen this thread was this post.

It is obvious that this alia person or group attempted a failed ponzi like scam. Which begs the question, what was user aTriz's role in this scam?

Points to consider:

1 Aside from the alia group, aTriz is the only other person to see, use and test this magical script. Only aTriz!

2 aTriz left a vouch for the non existent script, claiming to have made a very good ROI. He actively encouraged other members to invest in it, but luckily no one did. In his own words:

Was given a vouch copy of the method by op and played around with in with funds from the faucet.

With the 10 minutes I used this script with, I profited and worked perfectly. Would recommend.

I made an extremely good ROI, and I’m sure that others who buy the method will experience similar results. Thanks, Alia!

Update: This seems to be a shady user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0 Do not trade with him/her!

3 By renting the alia account's signature space, did aTriz (a highly respected user) give it some legitimacy?

4 Why was aTriz still willing to pay this alia person/group after they were exposed? Claiming his hands were tied and he couldn't break their contract publicly.

5 I find it strange that the alia group refunded $2000 to aTriz. This, after threatening to "expose" him, like they had some dirt on him. But instead of an expose, they refunded him and left him negative feedback in a very public divorce.

I speculate that there is more to the alia - aTriz relationship than meets the eye, and the only reason the alia group still posts here is to keep the heat off the aTriz account.

The alia account is dead and buried, nobody will trust it with a single satoshi. There is no "lady in distress" here, if there is one, she is complicit. This is not a genuine attempt to clear their name, frankly they don't care, its all obfuscation to hide aTriz's role in this scam. aTriz is safe, as long as all the attention is focused on the dead alia account.

The public divorce, negative feedback rating, refund of signature payments is all a charade in an attempt to distance the alia account from the alTriz account. Yes, this is all speculation, but you know it makes sense. If there is no script, then aTriz lied, why is the alia account bearing all the brunt, afterall aTriz profited and made an extremely good ROI using it?

@ aTriz I have nothing against you, but you have a lot to answer for here and should. I'd rather post here than in the kangaroo court like thread started by quickseller.

@ nullius, on skype video recordings can be manipulated with software to make like its live. This trick is used by romance scam artist, dig a little, you will find the answer to your question.

I ask aTriz to answer these questions. The easiest way would be to publish the script here so it can be verified by experienced users. So I ask aTriz to publish the script here.

-snip-

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Yeah, that's the way the Razor cuts for me too; there was no script.
If that is the case, it begs the questions:

1) The nearly half a BTC he/she/etc. paid out below was seed money. What for?
2) What did aTriz do or see, in order for him to vouch it?

-snip-

Not that it's inconsistent with alia's inconsistency, but I'd have thought that the best way of continuing to bluff this out would have been to push the following story, rather than attempt to argue that math isn't math. The claimed unspecified alteration in house edge would make redundant calcs based on 1%.

-snip-

Although his/her/etc. later claims that

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made the "script" work on more than just one site are yet another inconsistency.

[TMAN]

FFS go have a wank or something QS

[nullius]

I've spent a lot of time wondering if I should open this thread again

scam_detector, I thank you for reopening this thread.  After I saw cruso’s post, I was considering making that suggestion.  I think it’s important for any such questions to be examined in a fair and impartial manner.

To that end, I wish to reserve comment about aTriz until aTriz himself has a reasonable chance to have his say.  However, I also deem it wise to gather into the record here several interesting observations I made about this alleged gambling script.  I will edit this post with quotes and links to recent threads, or make a new post if more appropriate.  (In a nutshell:  Events which transpired after RGBKey offered to audit the script.)


Edit 1:

On the offer of a confidential audit:

While I was preparing a post suggesting an independent audit of Alia’s purported script, RGBKey stepped up of his own initiative and offered to perform one:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121333/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.100#msg31501344

I'll offer to audit this script. If alia wants to send it to me then I will go through it and analyze how it works and post my analysis about it here without revealing its inner workings. I don't plan to bet money with it, instead to analyze the code.

I emphasize that independently and unprompted by anyone, RGBKey stated that he offered to analyze the script “without revealing its inner workings”.  I myself thought as such that if acting in good faith, Alia had no rational reason not to jump for the opportunity of such an audit.  Private auditors are usually well-paid.

I promptly gave my endorsement to RGBKey’s technical abilities for performing such an audit.  Given my general reputation, and also that Alia has repeatedly called me a “genius”, I hoped that this would encourage her to agree to an audit by RGBKey:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121333/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.100#msg31502508

I myself will vouch for RGBKey’s technical competence for performing such an audit.  I don’t know gambling; but I have interacted with RGBKey in the Development & Technology forum, and he knows his stuff.  I would trust the results of any gambling script audit performed by RGBKey.

What say you, Alia?

suchmoon was less optimistic than I was.  Quite prescient:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121333/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.100#msg31504847

I fully expect alia to weasel out of this for some random reason.

...indeed:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121333/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.100#msg31520776

Jeez... you don't get it do you? Auditing means giving the script for free. Not interested.

(Aside:  In the same post, Alia also asked me to return money which she purported to have won for me by gambling.  When I said I had offered to give the money away to someone who needed it, she challenged me to donate 0.00673625 BTC to the Pirate Bay.  I did so.  I don’t want ill-gotten gains; and TPB deserves the money, not least because they hate Btrash.  Post with my txid, which can be traced through previous tx I have posted as to this affair: https://web.archive.org/web/20180304043503/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.msg31526121#msg31526121)

Whereupon I explained:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121340/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.120#msg31523930

Keeping focus on the top-line and bottom-line issue:  No, an audit does not mean “giving the script for free”.

Multi-billion-dollar software companies entrust their proprietary source code to independent auditors.  Do you really think your precious script is more valuable than that?

Now, I repeat:  Alia, you yourself made this an issue:

Like I said, many, many times... not everything has to be 100% math based. My aim is to make profit for people, and I am doing it. That is my end goal. Not to fit your stupid equations (which are not even relevant since you don't know the intricacies of how my script works)

If your ultimate answer is that your critics lack sufficient knowledge to judge your script because they haven’t seen it, then it is incumbent on you to grant such knowledge.

You can’t have your cake and eat it, too, by claiming that secret knowledge overrides the known laws of mathematics, refusing to let anybody else examine it, and then claiming to “prove” that your script works based on statistically, scientifically invalid experimentation performed in an unverifiable manner.

Really, this secret knowledge is beginning to take on a quasi-mystical edge.

...and I continued persisting in pressing Alia to agree to an audit:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121340/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.120#msg31526121

Now, again:  How about that audit?

There is more pertinent discussion in that thread.  In the foregoing, I have given only a concise summary with very brief excerpts.  I encourage those interested to read the pertinent portions of the thread.  Also, my principal objective in the foregoing is to relate facts I believe may be probative—not to analyze or interpret those facts (beyond the obvious).

This thread is self-moderated by Alia.  Therefore, I here present a complete archive as it stands:

Complete archive of thread, single page (large):
https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121126/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.0;all

Individual pages:

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121244/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.0

2. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121250/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.20

3. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121304/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.40

4. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121311/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.60

5. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121322/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.80

6. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121333/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.100

7. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121340/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.120

8. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121401/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.140

9. https://web.archive.org/web/20180306121418/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044369.160


There are at least two other posts by Alia which I think may be relevant.  One, I can’t seem to find right now amidst the voluminous posts of the past few days.  That and the other, I intend to address later either by editing this post again, or making a separate post.

[alia_alt]

@nully

Would love to hear your opinion on my new proposition. Genuinely interested in good criticism.

[TMAN]

@nully

Would love to hear your opinion on my new proposition. Genuinely interested in good criticism.

Fuck off and leave the forum like you promised before?

[alia_alt]

@nully

Would love to hear your opinion on my new proposition. Genuinely interested in good criticism.

Fuck off and leave the forum like you promised before?

I said I'd leave that account... -.-

If you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to say, then what is your purpose on this thread? Or on this planet?

[TMAN]

I said I'd leave that account... -.-

If you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to say, then what is your purpose on this thread? Or on this planet?

What I am saying is very relevant, you should just fuck off..  would make this reputation board more readable for starters.

as for my presence on this planet? well there are many things you would not understand as you are a stupid child, but one of the great things Is I can basque in my bitcoin riches and point out what a stupid cunt you are..

[alia_alt]

I said I'd leave that account... -.-

If you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to say, then what is your purpose on this thread? Or on this planet?

What I am saying is very relevant, you should just fuck off..  would make this reputation board more readable for starters.

as for my presence on this planet? well there are many things you would not understand as you are a stupid child, but one of the great things Is I can basque in my bitcoin riches and point out what a stupid cunt you are..

Money shouts, wealth whispers. Might I add, bragging about your "bitcoin riches" on an online forum is a great way to get killed

[TMAN]

I said I'd leave that account... -.-

If you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to say, then what is your purpose on this thread? Or on this planet?

What I am saying is very relevant, you should just fuck off..  would make this reputation board more readable for starters.

as for my presence on this planet? well there are many things you would not understand as you are a stupid child, but one of the great things Is I can basque in my bitcoin riches and point out what a stupid cunt you are..

Money shouts, wealth whispers. Might I add, bragging about your "bitcoin riches" on an online forum is a great way to get killed

Check my join date, its pretty obvious I am not a Pajeet like you. As for getting killed - my security is tight my little hermaphrodite friend