Merits all over the meta

[TheQuin]

I think those donation were made years ago and the last time it was update is back in april 2017, were bitcoin price was much lower compared to what it is now.

To sum it up hilariousetc answered the question.

Without any traffic at all this forum or any other would be dead and every forum or website needs money to run

They were indeed but the forum still holds a large amount of them so doesn't really have money problems. Yes, hilariousetc is correct that it needs money and traffic, but not necessarily at the levels it has now.

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[Jet Cash]

Chasing traffic volumes without consideration of quality is not the best way to profits. You could fill a party to sell Aston Martin cars with homeless people by offering them free meals, but you risk alienating the few genuine buyers that might find their way into the party.

[krishnaverma]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

You are right that this section is about forum but isn't merit also related to the forum. Here is what I think about it:

1) Your suggestion that all the similar threads should be merged really makes sense. It helps to organize things so that members can easily search for desired information.

2) I suppose we will see less of these threads with time passing by. Most of the treads about merits were related to complains against this new system. Thos emmebrs have now accepted the merit system and moved on.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Chasing traffic volumes without consideration of quality is not the best way to profits.

High traffic volumes come with spam. I can assure you that I have been a reader and a member of quite a few forums before I joined this one and, based on my experience, those that have more traffic have also more low-quality threads. And that’s despite people not being paid to post there.

Even in the same high traffic forums, those more specialized sections have much lower traffic than the general ones, where people tend to write low-quality posts. Something like what happens on this forum if you compare the Bitcoin Discussion section to the Development & Technical Discussion one.

This being said, I find it very reasonable to try to improve the quality on this forum and I totally agree with the new merit system, although I suppose it will have to be improved in the future.

You could fill a party to sell Aston Martin cars with homeless people by offering them free meals, but you risk alienating the few genuine buyers that might find their way into the party.

I don’t think your analogy is correct. You don’t sell Aston Martins, rather Burger Kings. Most people who join crypto gambling sites or buy ICOs through advertising on this forum are not the Aston Martin-type customer.

[topkhai]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

yeah, this is merit trend
some people assume in meta sections they are easily to get merit
and they came, hoping not to back with empty handed
percentage activities sent-received merit higher here
If not contrary with the rules, why not !
repeating topics or creating similar topics in new topic box, I suggest reported to moderator
how do you think mod ?

[Jet Cash]

I don’t think your analogy is correct. You don’t sell Aston Martins, rather Burger Kings. Most people who join crypto gambling sites or buy ICOs through advertising on this forum are not the Aston Martin-type customer.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.

If you are trying to sell Aston Martins, you don't recruit the homeless as potential customers.

[lukyanli]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

yeah, this is merit trend
some people assume in meta sections they are easily to get merit
and they came, hoping not to back with empty handed
percentage activities sent-received merit higher here
If not contrary with the rules, why not !
repeating topics or creating similar topics in new topic box, I suggest reported to moderator
how do you think mod ?

I am not a mod but let me tell you what I think. First of all, you should use a full stop to end a sentence and a capital letter to start one. It confuses other members regarding what you want to convey. Regarding people assuming that it is easier to get merit here, I think it is true. Most of the senior members are active here and there are higher chances of a good post getting spotted in this section. Also, if you post some informative thread here, you start getting recognized and members may start reading your other posts.

[InvoKing]

The topic starts with a simple (and a repost) question.

Why majority of the post here is about merits??
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Then people start talking about site traffic loss in case of removing signature campaign and other stuff...
If we really care about improving our forums then this topic should be locked since this question was already discussed several times (no need to give further comments about staying on topic in a repost topic!).

[tranthidung]

Of course traffic would decrease hugely and people would flock to the next best thing but it wouldn't kill the forum. The forum will still be here and it will quickly turn into a utopia compared to what it is now. There's plenty of posters here who don't have or ever intend to join a signature campaign and in fact many of the best posters don't have a paid signature at all (DannyHamilton etc). I'm sure theymos has taken into consideration the huge effect banning signatures would have on the forum but he has also stated signatures will likely be the next to go in the merit system fails so for those thinking they'll never go I wouldn't get too cocky.

Traffic rise mainly based on spammers have two-side effects.
It can help to attract more newcomers to the forum based on results they get from searching using google data base. These newcomers might contribute to increase passive income to the forum, but they can also get money out of the forum from signature campaigns (which dominate traditional advertisement banners).

In contrast, spammers can form negative effects by their shitty, spamming threads which might abundant in the forum. Those shit they created will contribute to make ugly appearance of the forum; and can hamper potential newcomers to join the forum due to they won't have good impression at the first glance around several topics.

To conclude, signature campaigns should be allowed but should be stricter managed (on both signature campaign managers and supporters).

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I don’t think your analogy is correct. You don’t sell Aston Martins, rather Burger Kings. Most people who join crypto gambling sites or buy ICOs through advertising on this forum are not the Aston Martin-type customer.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.

If you are trying to sell Aston Martins, you don't recruit the homeless as potential customers.

Bang on the false analogy!

The situation on this forum has nothing to do with Aston Martins and homeless people.

[Lumi3004]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

yeah, this is merit trend
some people assume in meta sections they are easily to get merit
and they came, hoping not to back with empty handed
percentage activities sent-received merit higher here
If not contrary with the rules, why not !
repeating topics or creating similar topics in new topic box, I suggest reported to moderator
how do you think mod ?

I am not a mod but let me tell you what I think. First of all, you should use a full stop to end a sentence and a capital letter to start one. It confuses other members regarding what you want to convey. Regarding people assuming that it is easier to get merit here, I think it is true. Most of the senior members are active here and there are higher chances of a good post getting spotted in this section. Also, if you post some informative thread here, you start getting recognized and members may start reading your other posts.

according to l posts that helpful certain must combined and published so that can so example for friend that in groups Forum this, problem discussion Merit, in fact posts that helpful that lndeed feasible, but do not be in Fokus posts that helpful only,for example :
1. can in value from words and language good from terms polite,authoritative and friendly,
2. many that can for get merit, that certainly that mentioned same agan, but please taken too steps that other for can participate for get it Merit.

[guschin]

according to l posts that helpful certain must combined and published so that can so example for friend that in groups Forum this, problem discussion Merit, in fact posts that helpful that lndeed feasible, but do not be in Fokus posts that helpful only,for example :
1. can in value from words and language good from terms polite,authoritative and friendly,
2. many that can for get merit, that certainly that mentioned same agan, but please taken too steps that other for can participate for get it Merit.

You really need to improve your English before making posts in this section. It is very hard to understand and may give headache to some. I was only able to understand the first part where you mentioned that one should get merits for being friendly or polite. Sorry but this was not the purpose of merit system. It has been introduced so that members make sensible posts on this forum. For politeness and good character, you can get all my respect but not merits. Hope you will understand.

[criz2fer]

Of course traffic would decrease hugely and people would flock to the next best thing but it wouldn't kill the forum. The forum will still be here and it will quickly turn into a utopia compared to what it is now. There's plenty of posters here who don't have or ever intend to join a signature campaign and in fact many of the best posters don't have a paid signature at all (DannyHamilton etc). I'm sure theymos has taken into consideration the huge effect banning signatures would have on the forum but he has also stated signatures will likely be the next to go in the merit system fails so for those thinking they'll never go I wouldn't get too cocky.

Traffic rise mainly based on spammers have two-side effects.
It can help to attract more newcomers to the forum based on results they get from searching using google data base. These newcomers might contribute to increase passive income to the forum, but they can also get money out of the forum from signature campaigns (which dominate traditional advertisement banners).

In contrast, spammers can form negative effects by their shitty, spamming threads which might abundant in the forum. Those shit they created will contribute to make ugly appearance of the forum; and can hamper potential newcomers to join the forum due to they won't have good impression at the first glance around several topics.

To conclude, signature campaigns should be allowed but should be stricter managed (on both signature campaign managers and supporters).

More of new comers only want to have income specially crypto currency is very popular but investors are more rare. Although both of them could really contribute spamming the forum,  but merit system can really eliminates accounts that cant help the forum because members could not maintain their accounts because of quality post that requires understanding which could lead every new member to be an investor.

[Flying Hellfish]

I really can't wait for the hysterical crying if signature campaigns ever get banned. Can you imagine in?

Not only can I imagine it, I hope everyday it actually happens!  

[milugau]

More of new comers only want to have income specially crypto currency is very popular but investors are more rare. Although both of them could really contribute spamming the forum,  but merit system can really eliminates accounts that cant help the forum because members could not maintain their accounts because of quality post that requires understanding which could lead every new member to be an investor.

I feel like losing my breath when reading your thread, which contains only two sentences but the second one is extremely long, hard to follow and catch your main ideas.
I think that your thread (above mine) is good example for how to write a good post (both format, vocabularies, and sentence structure - including linking words). You actually missed linking words, which made your second sentence too difficult to understand, in your thread.

Good ideas won't always result in good thread!

[Aury234]

We for this medium and train talking about concerned merit, need too understood and lived all posts that quality so mainstay main for get it merit, in fact already friend we that posts no bad nice, but no ever get it merit talk problem posts helpfull and merit should search street that  more nice and right  for get merit,example :
# can taken from language posts that words advise or criticism that where someone no will advanced when no there is that judge,
# the saying a thing words Exit from mouth child small if correct can taken wisdom and otherwise.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I see quite a few people from the Philippines and Indonesia

And they are, hands down, the worst shitposters here.  I think any post that says stuff like "bitcoin can help us support our families, and we gain knowledge and trust in it and it increases day by day..." is, if not done by someone in either of those countries, it's by someone in countries geographically close to them.  I have so many members on my ignore list, it's insane.  

Next reform needed is for stricter control over what campaign managers/owners can do, like accepting noobs and having a minimum standard for quality--and that could be perhaps based on merits.  

If this were to happen, I think we'd see a precipitous dropoff of the noob shitposters and all these alt accounts that have 2 numbers at the end of the username.  I'd love to see this happen, but I think Theymos is done making changes for now.  I'm still glad the merit system was put in place, because even though we're still seeing garbage posters, I have seen improvement in a lot of posts.  Some people are definitely making an effort to be interesting, and it's good to see.

I don't mind all of these topics in Meta about merit, though it seems like I'm dropping nearly the same sentiment in each thread.  It frustrates the shitposters, and this pleases me.  The smile still hasn't gone away.

I had to sit on my hands to stop myself suggesting that we had a central ignore list.

How would that work, exactly?

[Jet Cash]

  I have so many members on my ignore list, it's insane. 

I had to sit on my hands to stop myself suggesting that we had a central ignore list.

[cabalism13]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

The only reason you are seeing this repeated posts is that the moderator of this section doesn't do much about deleting posts. And that's why they're abusing this section with their multiple repeated threads and replies. This kind of foolishness are not tolerable and as we can see the only thing that we can do is just report them again and again.