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October 07, 2013, 07:55:39 PM |
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With The Difficulty Increasing and rewards dwindling dose it makes sense to spend Big Money on expensive miners when they will barely make there ROI, just buying the coins from an exchange makes more sense?
£5000 / £10,000 as an investment i would buy the coins.
For Company's who make Mining technology there costs are instantly high , company rates , employment costs, energy costs,Taxes ect ect ect, there products devalue faster than a Ferrari driven off the forecourt !!! already Ive seen many BFL jalapenos barely get the asking price and the 30G 60G getting cheaper and cheaper with 60Ghash becoming the basic entry level to mining.
SO what happens when these company's close down and we don't have any more new mining boxes to pre order or purchase? the KNC miners are burning out BFL power Supplys are Burning out and a host of other issue with the other tech i keep reading about, because of greedy people rushing this tech out the door. I know electrical equipment is prone to issues but with such low Volumes having 50 units fail is a larger % compared with a GFX Producer who makes millions of Units having had there RnD spend years tweaking the product with Millions of $ spent on quality control.
Im starting to see the downfall of the tech because of the price nothing else!
End Of Big Miners..........You Tell Me ?
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October 08, 2013, 02:29:10 AM
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With The Difficulty Increasing and rewards dwindling dose it makes sense to spend Big Money on expensive miners when they will barely make there ROI, just buying the coins from an exchange makes more sense?
£5000 / £10,000 as an investment i would buy the coins.
For Company's who make Mining technology there costs are instantly high , company rates , employment costs, energy costs,Taxes ect ect ect, there products devalue faster than a Ferrari driven off the forecourt !!! already Ive seen many BFL jalapenos barely get the asking price and the 30G 60G getting cheaper and cheaper with 60Ghash becoming the basic entry level to mining.
SO what happens when these company's close down and we don't have any more new mining boxes to pre order or purchase? the KNC miners are burning out BFL power Supplys are Burning out and a host of other issue with the other tech i keep reading about, because of greedy people rushing this tech out the door. I know electrical equipment is prone to issues but with such low Volumes having 50 units fail is a larger % compared with a GFX Producer who makes millions of Units having had there RnD spend years tweaking the product with Millions of $ spent on quality control.
Im starting to see the downfall of the tech because of the price nothing else!
End Of Big Miners..........You Tell Me ?
Well miner corporations will stop producing whit in a year of now. I guess the Diff will be >911.000.000 on 8 of January 2014, its make no sense to build mining equipment whit that kind of difficulty. After a while the miners that are still working will get more and more rare...final they will sell for a lot of cash on eBay ;-)  |
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October 08, 2013, 02:33:33 AM |
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Do you even economics, bro? The price of bitcoin is going to go up, you know...  |
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October 08, 2013, 02:50:59 AM |
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Popularity goes up, difficulty goes up, average bitcoin per user goes down, price per bitcoin goes up. Thus the small reward even my hobby 4 GH/s rig pulls currently will be valuable as soon as the difficulty has been up for a couple of months. Some basic economics.
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October 08, 2013, 09:22:37 AM |
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Price is not going up, not even at close rate as difficulty. For how long it's around 130$?
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MerchantMiner (OP)
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October 08, 2013, 09:32:15 AM |
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Do you even economics, bro? The price of bitcoin is going to go up, you know... Yes i do Ive studied it in depth and you ALL may want to pay attention to the very imminent collapse of the US dollar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgA9j-4dB0first you have to understand that all components of this are connected you cant change one with out effecting the other something you seam to have forgotten or just didn't realize! with the diff changing it will take 100Ghash to achieve what you get with 1Ghash today then 1Thash to get what you have archived with 100Ghash ect ect ect , how do you get to 1Thash if the big players stop making the Big Miners? how many block erupters for that , how much electric will that use and again its down to ROI as electric prices continue to go up , theres only so much you can run with a solar panel before you become a solar farm! by the end of this year i can imagine a BFL Avalon selling for 1/4 its price today and thats a good thing i will buy as many as i can as im in this for the long long long game as you all should be aswell. I agree the single price of a bitcoin is going to go into outta space , mid next year will be around £1000 - £5000 per coin so to mine one coin how much equipment would you need? before the crash of 2008 1oz of gold was £285 a couple months later it was £1200 ish tell what you think the future of bitcoin mining is? Big Miners Shutdown? Exodus of miners and the hash drops? Diff Drops and were back in the game ? Price Of bitCoin Gose up and up and dosnt stop? world bank/European central bank/ Crushes bitcoin? |
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MerchantMiner (OP)
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October 08, 2013, 09:34:25 AM |
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Do you even economics, bro? The price of bitcoin is going to go up, you know... Also (Do you even economics ) what dose that mean? |
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Hiroaki
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October 10, 2013, 04:36:04 PM |
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You forget one thing. Technology is improving massively.
There will be much more efficient chips available...
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October 10, 2013, 04:51:58 PM |
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We'll see how profitable they are gonna be.
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October 10, 2013, 05:00:37 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
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October 10, 2013, 10:41:16 PM |
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Tech moves forward in both speed and efficiency as well..
the big names we know now, may or may not be around in the future. Thats not to say that some other name wont be there to step up and replace them with the next generation of faster, more efficient hardware. Question is, who will be it or who will be the monopoly.
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October 10, 2013, 10:46:35 PM |
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This sounds idealistic. But in the world of capitalism, it's hard to guess what the companies have in mind. And remember china is joining the fray now so expect more china made miners. And it would be very dirt cheap.
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October 10, 2013, 11:16:39 PM |
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I think in the future small ASIC miners should have an advantage.
It's much easier to operate 1000 distributed 2 kW miners than one at 2 MW. If you're mining at home, you can also use the heat.
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October 11, 2013, 05:40:05 AM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
What makes you think bitcoin would not have huge price increase. People said that when bitcoin is at 1$ also. |
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October 11, 2013, 01:37:07 PM |
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This sounds idealistic. But in the world of capitalism, it's hard to guess what the companies have in mind. And remember china is joining the fray now so expect more china made miners. And it would be very dirt cheap.
What china miners? Posta some links... |
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overunity
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October 11, 2013, 02:35:21 PM |
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The great thing about a market not controlled by corrupt governments and central banks is that there will be natural price discovery .
The natural cycle for the life of bitcoin will look like :-
The Start .
Market price rising = mining profitable .
Mining keeps growing but market lagging behind = mining unprofitable .
market grows,price increases = mining becomes attractive people grow there mining pools new miners attracted .
For a virgin market .
Price and miners will find a natural equilibrium .
What bitcoin needs at the moment is for market share and adoption to increase to make current technology viable to use .
There currently is no need to increase the hash rate to support the tiny market share bitcoin has ,all that is happening is that mining manufacturers are on a suicide mission
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PrintMule
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October 11, 2013, 02:47:22 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
It's going down. At least with btc you have some "guaranteed value" while litecoin is kept on on "simple interest". Although I would prefer litecoin blocksize and confirmation speeds to bitcoin anyday  |
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ishkur
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October 11, 2013, 04:22:23 PM |
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Only a fool would buy at those prices Here is a much better/cheaper option which will save you $385.00 http://www.coin-daddy.com/#!product/prd2/1097137491/coin-daddy-silver-package-3 |
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October 11, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
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That's what I'm hoping for, a FOOL to come along on ebay (it's MY auction! ) There's people dumb enough to continue buying ASICs and USB Erupters, so maybe I can find a moron to pay me nearly 3X the going rate on some of my LTC! |
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cowandtea
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October 12, 2013, 01:00:56 PM |
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Waiting and waiting and waiting, hopefully they add LTC before the government take them down. |
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October 13, 2013, 02:20:53 PM |
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You forget one thing. Technology is improving massively.
There will be much more efficient chips available...
That depends the popularity, bigger miners will be available just in limited basis, I personally like to obtain one. But think carefully, I select a mining contract instead of obtaining big equipment as the game becomes more difficult, upgrading will be more often. |
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October 14, 2013, 07:37:27 PM |
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I think the 28nm ASIC's are being tested with this crazy increase in difficulty.
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October 15, 2013, 05:40:06 AM |
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Somebody's not following the rules - it is supposed to be six blocks an hour... 263765 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:22:16 263764 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:19:42 263763 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:19:09 263762 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:16:35 263761 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:15:05 263760 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:03:09 263759 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:00:28 263758 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 04:59:58 263757 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:00:04 263756 (Main Chain) 2013-10-15 05:02:30  |
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hulk
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October 15, 2013, 01:13:22 PM |
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Everyone would be mining Bitcoin 2 by then, created after Bitcoin have all 21 million coin mined.
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donut
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October 15, 2013, 04:52:48 PM |
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Everyone would be mining Bitcoin 2 by then, created after Bitcoin have all 21 million coin mined.
That's what transaction fees are for. There will be no Bitcoin 2. |
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alp
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October 15, 2013, 08:33:26 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
Pretty high amount of wrong per word in this post! Congratulations. |
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hulk
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October 16, 2013, 01:12:41 AM |
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Everyone would be mining Bitcoin 2 by then, created after Bitcoin have all 21 million coin mined.
That's what transaction fees are for. There will be no Bitcoin 2. Why not? Did the creator mention something about this? |
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October 16, 2013, 03:36:03 PM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
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hulk
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October 16, 2013, 04:01:23 PM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
Ha, too bad my ASIC won't work on that |
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PrintMule
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October 16, 2013, 08:21:53 PM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
But it's price is going down and down and down |
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October 18, 2013, 09:31:03 AM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
But it's price is going down and down and down Almost dead at the moment. |
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timk225
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October 18, 2013, 06:39:46 PM |
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BTC had quite a few price ups and downs in its earlier days, research the historical charts on it.
Now's the time to get into LTC hardcore style. I have 190 LTC I'll sell for $1000 US Dollars.
And yes, that's above the current market price, but it is far below what the price will be in 6 months! Get them now while you can! First come first served! PM me.
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October 19, 2013, 12:20:33 AM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
Ha, too bad my ASIC won't work on that That's the whole point, they designed it so it could only be run on a PC, so nobody could make you pay 1 years forward production for some fancy electronics only a few control production of. They also fixed the 51% and it goes tits up bug. And they fixed the transactions will be too costly if the currency ever takes off, in processor time, bug. It is in all respects Bitcoin 2.0  |
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October 19, 2013, 12:24:27 AM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
Ha, too bad my ASIC won't work on that That's the whole point, they designed it so it could only be run on a PC, so nobody could make you pay 1 years forward production for some fancy electronics only a few control production of. Can be run on FPGAs too, check my sig.  |
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hulk
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October 19, 2013, 01:48:16 PM |
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Bitcoin 2 already exists. It's called LiteCoin.
Ha, too bad my ASIC won't work on that That's the whole point, they designed it so it could only be run on a PC, so nobody could make you pay 1 years forward production for some fancy electronics only a few control production of. Can be run on FPGAs too, check my sig. Nice, you make them? |
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October 19, 2013, 09:54:38 PM |
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First off, someone hasn't got a clue about mining, when/if the people turn off there miners the diff rate WILL drop. (just look at LTC diff keeps going up and down).
Second, mining scrypt coins and exchanging them into btc is giving new life into old gpu miners, same thing can be done to sha256 alt coins. Use those old usb miners to mine sha256 alt coins, to trade for btc.
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hulk
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October 20, 2013, 01:13:10 AM |
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First off, someone hasn't got a clue about mining, when/if the people turn off there miners the diff rate WILL drop. (just look at LTC diff keeps going up and down).
Second, mining scrypt coins and exchanging them into btc is giving new life into old gpu miners, same thing can be done to sha256 alt coins. Use those old usb miners to mine sha256 alt coins, to trade for btc.
sha256 alt coin is not as profitable as scrypt alt coin. |
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October 20, 2013, 02:09:08 AM |
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First off, someone hasn't got a clue about mining, when/if the people turn off there miners the diff rate WILL drop. (just look at LTC diff keeps going up and down).
Second, mining scrypt coins and exchanging them into btc is giving new life into old gpu miners, same thing can be done to sha256 alt coins. Use those old usb miners to mine sha256 alt coins, to trade for btc.
You probably don't have any idea with this http://www.coinchoose.com/index.php. |
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Samir_H
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October 20, 2013, 07:52:58 AM |
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Not a single one SHA-256 alt-coin worth mining |
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October 20, 2013, 09:45:29 AM |
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Someone should come up with a way to merge-mine ALL sha256 alts.
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October 20, 2013, 10:45:27 AM |
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Not a single one SHA-256 alt-coin worth mining for the moment, yes but down the line, no. |
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fattypig
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October 20, 2013, 01:18:43 PM |
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Someone should come up with a way to merge-mine ALL sha256 alts.
I believe its impossible unless the coin allows it to? Please correct me if i'm wrong. |
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October 21, 2013, 03:45:16 AM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
AAAAND 10 days later BTC is @ $190. Watch and see indeed |
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October 21, 2013, 12:14:53 PM |
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Price is not going up, not even at close rate as difficulty. For how long it's around 130$?
quoted for the 200 USD rise in price |
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October 21, 2013, 02:42:52 PM |
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So it's the time when the quantity of Bitcoin stop. Since it makes no more sense and cost more just to mine bitcoin?
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timk225
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October 21, 2013, 03:03:44 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
AAAAND 10 days later BTC is @ $190. Watch and see indeed $190 is not $200. I said $200. So I am still correct. |
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October 21, 2013, 05:05:22 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
AAAAND 10 days later BTC is @ $190. Watch and see indeed $190 is not $200. I said $200. So I am still correct. LOL you're still going to stick by that statement? MTGOX just broke $197 |
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October 21, 2013, 06:57:23 PM |
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$197 is also not $200, just like $190 isn't. I remain correct in my earlier assessment. Additionally, I further portend that anyone with more brains than greed in their heads will sell their BTC now and buy up LiteCoin while its price is depressed a bit. The BTC surge is peaking right now, while LTC is down! Time to buy and ride the LTC wave!!!!! And because I have 200 LTC now and needs its price to 100x increase so I can make money on it. |
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October 21, 2013, 08:16:55 PM |
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I remain correct in my earlier assessment. which included: Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase... Lets see, BTC was at $140 when you made your "assessment". In a short 11 days later it hits $197 (+40%!) and you're still going to claim you were correct? Don't be bitter just because you invested in the wrong altcoin |
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October 21, 2013, 11:09:42 PM |
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I don't think so. At this moment it looks than everyone is hoping for increase in price so most of guys are mining without profit hoping it'll get better.
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October 22, 2013, 07:52:34 AM |
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$197 is also not $200, just like $190 isn't. I remain correct in my earlier assessment. Additionally, I further portend that anyone with more brains than greed in their heads will sell their BTC now and buy up LiteCoin while its price is depressed a bit. The BTC surge is peaking right now, while LTC is down! Time to buy and ride the LTC wave!!!!! And because I have 200 LTC now and needs its price to 100x increase so I can make money on it.  |
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October 22, 2013, 01:12:33 PM |
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this thread is about mining technology and its future , not about exchange rates and litecoin!!!
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October 22, 2013, 02:03:39 PM |
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Someone should come up with a way to merge-mine ALL sha256 alts.
I believe its impossible unless the coin allows it to? Please correct me if i'm wrong. You are submitting the same proof of work to different chains at once. I don't see why this is not possible. |
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October 23, 2013, 12:44:50 PM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
AAAAND 10 days later BTC is @ $190. Watch and see indeed $190 is not $200. I said $200. So I am still correct. Not any more, MtGox broke $200 so you lose |
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October 23, 2013, 04:09:22 PM |
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Hrumph.  Oh well, anyone who listens to me for investment advice is sure to lose. I never said I knew what I was talking about. |
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October 23, 2013, 04:25:17 PM |
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Price is not going up, not even at close rate as difficulty. For how long it's around 130$?
15 days later. Now its $195... price is not going up eh? |
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October 23, 2013, 04:36:42 PM |
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Catch up artiface, your post is about 3 days late..... |
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October 24, 2013, 02:17:06 AM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
Yeah... what's that you were saying about Bitcoin not reaching $200 again? |
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October 24, 2013, 03:22:45 AM |
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Bitcoin will not have a huge price increase, it will not even get to $200 again. Watch and see, keep your money out of BTC!
LiteCoin is poised to pop way up soon.
Yeah... what's that you were saying about Bitcoin not reaching $200 again? He meant $300 |
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October 24, 2013, 02:47:43 PM |
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Yes, that's it, I meant $300. I said $200 and was a bit restrictive in using that number, but it hasn't even hit $220 yet as far as I know, so FOR SURE it ain't getting up to $300! If it does, I'll pay a couple homeless guys to kick my ass for being so tragically wrong and not buying BTC when it was in the $60-$70 range a couple months ago. And now that I've said that, BTC will head for $300................  |
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October 24, 2013, 02:56:50 PM |
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Now lets predict, its going to hit $100 in 1 week |
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Samir_H
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October 24, 2013, 05:05:56 PM |
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Price is not going up, not even at close rate as difficulty. For how long it's around 130$?
15 days later. Now its $195... price is not going up eh? Easy to be smart now. I'm happy to be wrong about that even partially but it's still not going up at close rate as difficulty |
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Tehfiend
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October 24, 2013, 05:34:44 PM |
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but it hasn't even hit $220 yet as far as I know, so FOR SURE it ain't getting up to $300!
FYI it peaked at $233... |
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timk225
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October 24, 2013, 06:22:23 PM |
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FYI it has fallen / tumbled / crashed to $206 now. |
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xzempt
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October 24, 2013, 06:24:02 PM |
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lol... how is something that was $125 a month ago.... $206 today considered crashing?  |
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timk225
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October 24, 2013, 06:28:05 PM |
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I'm trying to make myself sound better. Doesn't it disturb you how it can peak at 233 and drop to 190 in a couple hours, rebound to 214 and fall to 206 all in one afternoon? The word is unstable. The same thing happens in the stock market all the time. The Dow Jones hits 14,000, the news reporters are happy. It hits 14,500, they are ecstatic. It hits 15,000, they are freaking out with joy. It drops to 14,950, they are pissing their pants with doom and gloom. "The market is crashing, the next depression is coming soon!". |
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overunity
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October 25, 2013, 09:44:36 PM |
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In most forex previous resistance gets tested ,The $144 ish level was tested already ,so the only resistance that has not been tested is $164 it high probability that this will be visited before a significant move higher .
If you missed out on the previous move averaging in as close to $164 may be the best price you will get in at now .although $174 seems to be holding up at the moment .
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October 26, 2013, 01:20:26 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:15:30 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
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October 26, 2013, 02:34:34 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:15:43 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
ASIC is still cheaper comparing price per GH/S. Thats why they are selling right? |
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high110
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October 27, 2013, 03:54:59 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:15:36 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
ASIC is still cheaper comparing price per GH/S. Thats why they are selling right? They are - the problem is...you have to wait. You're placing a bet =/... so there's a good chance you might not get the returns... ROI is quickly turning into days before miners become obsolete. |
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ZetaOS
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October 28, 2013, 01:58:10 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:15:58 PM by MiningBuddy |
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 Buyed 12Ghs 2013-10-24 made 0.10 BTC |
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high110
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October 28, 2013, 04:07:30 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:16:31 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
ASIC is still cheaper comparing price per GH/S. Thats why they are selling right? You're right - but we can't have them now =( There's wait before they are released in the wild right? When are the next big waves hitting?? November? December? |
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ZetaOS
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October 28, 2013, 04:21:51 AM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:16:23 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
ASIC is still cheaper comparing price per GH/S. Thats why they are selling right? You're right - but we can't have them now =( There's wait before they are released in the wild right? When are the next big waves hitting?? November? December? January and February |
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high110
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October 28, 2013, 12:05:34 PM
Last edit: October 28, 2013, 04:16:16 PM by MiningBuddy |
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As BTC few, the cost of cloud computing went up for mining. CEX went up from .08 to .09 for GHS.
ASIC is still cheaper comparing price per GH/S. Thats why they are selling right? You're right - but we can't have them now =( There's wait before they are released in the wild right? When are the next big waves hitting?? November? December? January and February Great - so we have a bit of time then to mine! |
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