The english language improvement thread

[r1s2g3]

Focus on fluency, not grammar
Try some tongue twisters

If you focus on fluency instead of grammar then you will end up with gibberish. Once you got basics and vocabulary then fluency will automatically follow. Tongue Twisters are for improving the pronunciations they are no help in improving written English.

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I am in complete agreement with your tips.

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[Rkoshay]

Most of the users here were not the native speakers of English. Majority have English as the second language, so continued working is a must to improve ourselves and become proficient in the language which is much required to be an active user of the forum.

I'm a native English speaker and I'll do what I can to help in the thread to improve other's mastery of this wonderful language.  First of all I'd like to complement everyone who is trying to master English, especially writing it.  It's (a contraction of the word it and is, contractions are used all the time when writing and speaking English) a very interesting language in that it picks up words and phrases from many other languages with ease and incorporates them into English, they become part of the lexicon.  

English has a lot in common with some languages.  In Spanish and English, for example, about 25% of the words are identical (including identical!).  For other languages there is nothing in common and that makes it much more difficult to process.  I would say for anyone who is studying it and working at learning it, good for you and don't get discouraged, just plug away at it and as time passes and one practices the improvements will come.

I went ahead and selected the above quoted post and will edit it below, hope this helps and will check out the thread a couple of times a week and try to make some suggestions.

"Most of the users here are not native speakers of English.  The majority have English as a second language, so continued working at it is a must to improve ourselves and to become proficient in the language which is almost required to be an active user of the forum."  

Instead of keeping much required I changed it to almost required.  I think what the OP was saying is that to be an active user it's a great benefit to be able to communicate clearly and correctly in English.  It's always tricky in trying to correct other's writings to try and keep the original meaning while using the correct grammar and syntax.

Good luck with the studies!

[dmonrey002]

hi.. i just want to know your opinion about the price of the Bitcoin  10 years from now?. anything advice from you. will the bitcoin improve more?. and what do you think is it?. . cause. base on your experience.  you have. a lot of  info campare to others.. your name is familiar to other users they tell that your one of the most active member here. talk about speculate, you can share.Do you think it is ok for now to invest in bitcoin.  even the price is too high?.   or find another?.sorry for my english. i want to improve about it.  cause its not my first language.

Thanks for posting that, and it raises some interesting issues.
[hi..]
It's the first word of a sentence, so the "H" should be capitalised, however, this is a forum post and not a PM, so I don't think I would have started the post with it.

cause. base on your experience.  you have. a lot of  info campare to others.. your name is familiar to other users they tell that your one of the most active member here. talk about speculate, you can share

I'm assuming that this post ws intended to be included in a discussion thread, and if that is so, then that comment, although itis flattering, is not really relevant to the topic, unless you are targetting a specific member. In this case you should prefix the comment with a prompt for him to reply, you can do this  with an entry such as @dmonrey002 .

sorry for my english. i want to improve about it.  cause its not my first language.

I would have written - I apologise for my english. It is not my first language, but I hope to improve this by reading the threads on Bitcoin Talk ( a bit of grovelling never hurts ).

With regard to the min question, I would flesh it out a bit -

The price of Bitcoin has been fairly volatile recently, and it looks as if it may still be in a bear trend. I am a long term holder of Bitcoin, and I would be grateful for opinions on its value in 10 years time. If you believe that it's value will increase significantly, do you think that now is the time to buy, or should I wait for a positve break through the current resistance level.

Hi again Mr. Jet Cash.  thank you for make some correction about my comment on your thread. Also thank you for the tips and advice that you give about  what will be the price of bitcoin after 10 years from now. Hope some user reading this thread help them and give some idea about bitcoin market.  Goodluck for investing. 

What about Hard fork?.  do you think it can affect the original protocol or the market of the oginal coin if the hard fork has a problem when it release?.  Or it's okay to have a problem as long as it will not be supported by the people?

[Jet Cash]

What about Hard fork?.  do you think it can affect the original protocol or the market of the oginal coin if the hard fork has a problem when it release?.  Or it's okay to have a problem as long as it will not be supported by the people?

I think it would be better to ask that question on one of the discussion boards. You will probably get replies from members with more knowledge than I have.

[Xiaolongnu]

Are you a native speaker Jet Cash? And if not can you let me know that how long have u been studied, can u give some effective way or some of your materials to learn English?

[Jet Cash]

Are you a native speaker Jet Cash? And if not can you let me know that how long have u been studied, can u give some effective way or some of your materials to learn English?

I'm English born and educated, and I have a received English accent.

Unfortunately my English has been corrupted by the Internet.

[Midoproj]

To further tackle the issue - having been there once - if anybody needs help with their posts, or someone to review them, feel free to contact me

I'm a native Germen and have studied English for 6 years at the University of Augsburg, eventually becoming a teacher (Sports/English).

So if anybody wants someone to look over their post, just PM me - don't worry it is completely free. I ve been at rock bottom once and do know how the language barrier can be an immense obstacle - therefore it is enjoyable for me to help others - which is why I became a teacher after all.

Only requirements : Pls make an effort to at least get the point across, I cannot create your post for you from zero. Also keep it at a reasonable length.

I'm mostly online from 9-12am MET.

Cheers and no need to feel ashamed! 

[uelque]

English is not my native language, and I can tell to everyone out loud that beyond being a English - Filipino translator, I admit, sometimes but not too often, my English grammar/post aren't that much correct. However, it doesn't stop me from being a translator but rather I take it a challenge to help myself to become a much better English speaker. And I think I'm doing much better now, still kindly judge me! But my point is, this thread might help members but just those who are interested enough only. You and other members whose native language is English can't totally help them if they are not helping their own selves. But maybe this thread can encourage them to help themselves become a good poster, now that they already knew a native English speaker would help them broaden their English grammar and vocabulary, FOR FREE! And since most techniques and advice's are already been said above, I don't want to add more to make redundancies.

I knew this post is not about bitcoin or stuffs related to it but I guess my post is not much irrelevant to what you wanted to see, right? I hope so!  
And would you mind if I try to share the link of your post to our local board, just to let them know about this thread you created since not all of them would be aware, and because I want most of my fellow countrymates to improve their English skills (for those who can't speak English fluently). - I'm not saying I can speak English fluently, but most of them I believe can't!

I'm also willing to learn more on this thread, so please expect my presence here...

A couple off the top of my head:

Don't call people "Sir". We have a big, egalitarian society here /s

/s means that the preceding was sarcastic.

I often called people "Sir" because it is a formal and respectful term. Then I realized you got a point, so I would stop using that word inside here from now on!

[Shamie1002]

English language is certainly not my native language. I am a Filipino and in some threads my fellowmen were always critisized about their crooked English statements.
I don't really have a problem with it because I can see why they were actually judged by many.
Even I have problems when it comes to letting others understand what I mean. I also need some advises and I am willing to learn from this thread.

I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

Sorry for the grammar.
It will be a pleasure if you would correct my thoughts in sentences too.

[Jet Cash]

"Sir" and it's use is an interesting topic. It is a shortened form of the middle English word "sire" which was used to address a Knight or Baronet. It came to be used as a mark of respect for a worthy gentleman. "Gentleman" is another interesting concept, originally it described a man who didn't indulge in trade ie. a landowner, diplomat, military officer, or other person with independent means. One of the English traditions is for a gentleman to have 4 buttons on the sleeve of his jacket, and a servant would have 3. It always amused me that people would pay thousand for an off the peg suit by some fancy name, and wear the badge of a servant on their sleeve.

These days everything seems to have changed, and the old Stock Exchange motto of " My word is my bond " seems to have become " My word, have you got that much money, I'll see how much of it I can take". Sir is still used as a mark of respect in some instances, but it seems to be more of a sales ploy these days. You flatter the mark into thinking he is superior to you. It's a bit like the dog who rolls over to display his vulnerable underbelly because he wants something. Give him a kick, and you will soon see how subserviant he is in reality. It's even worse with cats.

That's a long post just to say that I don't think that "sir" has a place in board posting.

[akamit]

I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

You forget to write the third reason why peoples are accused for spamming and shitposting. Its all for the signature campaign!
Just imagine if is there no option to earn money through sig. campaign than how many users will post in this forum and how many users will be actively active here?

Peoples makes shitposts to increase their post count and then to rank up with a common goal to participate in sig. campaign.
On the other side, those users don't even understand how they are spamming & polluting the forum.

Sorry for the grammar.

If you use Grammarly Chrome extension then you can avoid those silly grammars and spelling mistakes.
Grammarly doesn't have 100% accuracy in my opinion but it is a very useful tool and can help you a lot.

[seoincorporation]

Spelling in English can be tricky.
I think that one of the best ways for improving posts of non-native English speaker, is to install additional dictionary plug-in for a browser.
Super simple and very effective way. Unfortunately it won't be much help with grammar, that's for additional extensions to take care of.
Still, with correct spelling even broken grammar won't affect the core of ones massage. It might be obvious to most but IMO worth to mention.

How about listing the best language tools/extensions for browsers?
Never tried any of those (although I should), is it worth the hassle?

BTW this thread is a great idea.

There is an extension called Grammarly. It is really useful too improve your English if, like me, you're not an English-native-speaker. It makes automatical corrections to your grammar. I have only used the free one, despite they have a "premium membership" supposedly more accurate than the free one and with a lot of more applications.
Grammarly has helo me a lot, for instance with those typical mistakes, like the confusion I always have between "in" and "on".

[Shamie1002]

I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

You forget to write the third reason why peoples are accused for spamming and shitposting. Its all for the signature campaign!
Just imagine if is there no option to earn money through sig. campaign than how many users will post in this forum and how many users will be actively active here?

Peoples makes shitposts to increase their post count and then to rank up with a common goal to participate in sig. campaign.
On the other side, those users don't even understand how they are spamming & polluting the forum.

Sorry for the grammar.

If you use Grammarly Chrome extension then you can avoid those silly grammars and spelling mistakes.
Grammarly doesn't have 100% accuracy in my opinion but it is a very useful tool and can help you a lot.

I appreciate the review on my post and your advice to improve it.
Is it possible to use that grammarly chrome in a mobile phone ? I often don't have time using a laptop because I am currently in an On Job Training and it's kinda hard to always to keep my English straight without anyone having question marks floating in their minds
I will be determined more to improve myself because I can see that earlier adaptors like you are willing to help lower ranks like me.

[keskass]

this is a big problem for foreigner like me to post a new thread or post a comment in forum thread. if we use a google translate then we re-translate it, the meaning make us laugh to our self because we don't know the meaning although the post is ours. so the solution as i do, watch a english movie as much as possible. read a english book often and dont be shy to make a mistake when we learning. and please quote here how much i get a point with this post?? because i just type and search a word that i dont know the meaning, not a sentence. thank you

[uelque]

"Sir" and it's use is an interesting topic. It is a shortened form of the middle English word "sire" which was used to address a Knight or Baronet. It came to be used as a mark of respect for a worthy gentleman. "Gentleman" is another interesting concept, originally it described a man who didn't indulge in trade ie. a landowner, diplomat, military officer, or other person with independent means. One of the English traditions is for a gentleman to have 4 buttons on the sleeve of his jacket, and a servant would have 3. It always amused me that people would pay thousand for an off the peg suit by some fancy name, and wear the badge of a servant on their sleeve.

These days everything seems to have changed, and the old Stock Exchange motto of " My word is my bond " seems to have become " My word, have you got that much money, I'll see how much of it I can take". Sir is still used as a mark of respect in some instances, but it seems to be more of a sales ploy these days. You flatter the mark into thinking he is superior to you. It's a bit like the dog who rolls over to display his vulnerable underbelly because he wants something. Give him a kick, and you will soon see how subserviant he is in reality. It's even worse with cats.

That's a long post just to say that I don't think that "sir" has a place in board posting.

More than convinced Mr. JetCash!  

I appreciate the review on my post and your advice to improve it.
Is it possible to use that grammarly chrome in a mobile phone ? I often don't have time using a laptop because I am currently in an On Job Training and it's kinda hard to always to keep my English straight without anyone having question marks floating in their minds
I will be determined more to improve myself because I can see that earlier adaptors like you are willing to help lower ranks like me.

Hey mate, I think it is not possible to use grammar checker extension using mobile phones. But every mobile phones has a feature on keyboards that check spellings and grammars (not so sure about grammars) of every words you input. I just don't know if it can really help!  

[om_iyo]

I think, I have a big problem with English's grammar to write some sentences in bitcointalk. It makes a message is not deliver correctly. I think some members did like me. I don't want to say that he/she is using bad English, but I felt hard to understand...

[anobtc]

Spelling in English can be tricky.
I think that one of the best ways for improving posts of non-native English speaker, is to install additional dictionary plug-in for a browser.
Super simple and very effective way. Unfortunately it won't be much help with grammar, that's for additional extensions to take care of.
Still, with correct spelling even broken grammar won't affect the core of ones massage. It might be obvious to most but IMO worth to mention.

How about listing the best language tools/extensions for browsers?
Never tried any of those (although I should), is it worth the hassle?

BTW this thread is a great idea.

There is an extension called Grammarly. It is really useful too improve your English if, like me, you're not an English-native-speaker. It makes automatical corrections to your grammar. I have only used the free one, despite they have a "premium membership" supposedly more accurate than the free one and with a lot of more applications.
Grammarly has helo me a lot, for instance with those typical mistakes, like the confusion I always have between "in" and "on".

Thanks for your advice, i'll install that extension. I'm really stuck when using preposition in English, like "on, in, at", etc. It's great to have an app to help me with this problem! But why it can't identify your mistake which i marked red above 

[Chuokie]

I'm not quite confident of my English grammar so I keep learning by reading sentence construction lesson online, that's one way of improving myself, second is I installed word counter in my PC so that everytime I type I could see the character and work frame and that's not all, it has application wherein it will get red line if it has a wrong grammar or missing word on it or unnecessary words added. I learned from it so when I do construct sentences in my cell phone I can see a little improvement for myself.

[Jet Cash]

You need to be careful with services like Grammarly nd Google translate. There are so many subsets of English, that I'm not sure which one they use. I ran one of my paragraphs through Grammarly, and it came up with 4 errors, but I wasn't prepared to register with them to discover the errors. One was an alleged spelling mistake, but as they didn't appear to establish whether my paragraph was English or American, I assume they were using the incorrect American dictionary. Also, they didn't like my use of quotes, but I think they are essential to the interpretation of my paragraph.

I reran it, and it looks as if they don't like the use of double quotes. This seems to be a matter of personal preference, and subject to regional variatons. What is important is that the starting and ending quotation marks match, and that quotes within quotes use different pairs.

[Shamie1002]

You need to be careful with services like Grammarly nd Google translate. There are so many subsets of English, that I'm not sure which one they use. I ran one of my paragraphs through Grammarly, and it came up with 4 errors, but I wasn't prepared to register with them to discover the errors. One was an alleged spelling mistake, but as they didn't appear to establish whether my paragraph was English or American, I assume they were using the incorrect American dictionary. Also, they didn't like my use of quotes, but I think they are essential to the interpretation of my paragraph.

I reran it, and it looks as if they don't like the use of double quotes. This seems to be a matter of personal preference, and subject to regional variatons. What is important is that the starting and ending quotation marks match, and that quotes within quotes use different pairs.

I do find every comments very helpful and will be willing enough to improve myself more. Maybe that will be up to my own determination regarding my own flaws. Appreciate efforts and suggestions, I will be opened for more knowledge that I could get here in you thread. I will be visiting this thread more often now and will expand my vocabulary too to avoid using words redundantly from now on.