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October 09, 2013, 08:33:16 PM
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The list of Independence Movements is growing steady around the world. How many will eventuate and will one open the floodgate for others to follow?

Spain: Catalonia, Basque, Andalusia, Canary Islands, Asturias, Balearic Islands....... the country is awash with breakaway movements
Belgian: ?
UK: Scotland referendum next year to split from UK
Italy: South Tyrol and other regions

US: Vermont, New Hampshire, Texas........ the state of California itself to split
Canada: Alberta, Quebec, British Columbia

and extreme cases like Somalia, numerous country's in Africa.....

How serious are these separatist movements and does your region have an active movement?
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October 10, 2013, 01:39:39 PM
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The list of Independence Movements is growing steady around the world. How many will eventuate and will one open the floodgate for others to follow?

Spain: Catalonia, Basque, Andalusia, Canary Islands, Asturias, Balearic Islands....... the country is awash with breakaway movements
Belgian: effectively split in halve
UK: Scotland referendum next year to split from UK
Italy: South Tyrol and other regions

US: Vermont, New Hampshire, Texas........ the state of California itself to split
Canada: Alberta, Quebec, British Columbia

and extreme cases like Somalia, numerous country's in Africa.....

How serious are these separatist movements and does your region have an active movement?

The Free State Project of New Hampshire is quite serious, and very active. They're making a number of inroads.

There was a Free State Wyoming too, but from what I understand it's pretty much fizzled out.

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October 10, 2013, 05:50:24 PM
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Belgium is nowhere near split in half and it is extremely unlikely to become so in the future, regardless of popular demagogues' antics.
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October 10, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
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Yes the Belgian Flemish-Walloon separation is declining, unlike Catalonian separatist movement in Spain, which is going from strength to strength.
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October 10, 2013, 07:33:14 PM
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Belgium is nowhere near split in half and it is extremely unlikely to become so in the future, regardless of popular demagogues' antics.

40,6% of the people in Flanders voted on a political party that wants to split the country, be it NV-A or VB.
And I fear that the NV-A will get a lot more votes in 2014, besides "byebye more freedom" that also means a step closer to "byebye Belgium".  Undecided

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October 11, 2013, 04:33:07 AM
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Belgium is nowhere near split in half and it is extremely unlikely to become so in the future, regardless of popular demagogues' antics.

40,6% of the people in Flanders voted on a political party that wants to split the country, be it NV-A or VB.
And I fear that the NV-A will get a lot more votes in 2014, besides "byebye more freedom" that also means a step closer to "byebye Belgium".  Undecided


Yet polls consistently show that the large majority of Flanders isn't interested in independence. They're just frustrated with the rampant corruption in Wallonia and the aggressive economic parasitism corresponding with it. A lot of voters believed that voting for NVA could change that. That's not nationalism, that's naive pragmatism. Even NVA itself doesn't support a referendum for independence because they know they would lose it.

Moreover, Belgium won't seperate in halves because it's basically one gigantic, tangled clusterfuck around Brussels. Untangling this web creates so much problems that it's easier to just cope with it. Most politicians in power realize this well enough, which is why they reject regional favoritism as a basis for policy. Sure, responsibilities will get shuffled around, making it seem as if Flanders and Wallonia are going their own way, at least in the public eye. In reality, Belgium will just continue along the same old track because there isn't really any other way.
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April 22, 2014, 12:37:52 PM
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April 22, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
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Somalia: Puntland, Jubaland, Somaliland
Spain: Galicia, Catalonia, Basque, Valencia, Extramadura, Cantabria, Leon
Italy: Venice
Sweden: Jamtland

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April 22, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
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England: Cornwall.

I once spent several hours in a pub with Cornish Independence activists, it took a long while to begin slowly realising that they were serious.
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April 22, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
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I once spent several hours in a pub with Cornish Independence activists, it took a long while to begin slowly realising that they were serious.

The Cornish nationalism is more of a joke now. The most important aspect of the Cornish national identity (the Kernowek language), is dead for many centuries now, and there is nothing there to differentiate the Cornish people from the rest of the British. And Mebyon Kernow is also a joke, getting no more than 2% of the votes in the local elections.

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April 22, 2014, 01:39:28 PM
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The Cornish nationalism is more of a joke now.

Yes, this is what I was implying. Well googled though.
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