Here is the quality of posts after merit system

[bobrova]

I picked top 4 posts in bitcoin discussions and here is the last response made in those threads:

it is never too late to invest ,you can invest the little you have ,but try to understand the market and how it works in other for you not to panic when there is a drop in the market

I think need buy right now. I got mane news from expert it will hit 30k$ soon.  So the market is now on downtrend. You will never get such a chance more to buy at this price.  So buy now and get profit in near future.

I think bitcoin is the king of all crypto that exist today, and in my opinion will remain king for a long time, because until this moment bitcoin is still a reference for altcoin. not as easy as it beats bitcoin, because if you want to beat it, beat the community first.

Guys I want to heard your opinion how great bitcoin in your own perception?

Btc is extremely great since it is so useful it gives such a great amount of chances for the individuals who have a money related issues and they encourages our nation to lessen the jobless in our nation Btc additionally gives an additional pay for utilize and it give us a decent advantages that is the reason I am cheerful to have Btc my life.

Was this the purpose of Merit system ? Note that these are not newbies making these posts.

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[TryNinja]

And they didn't get any merit.

Those who are bellow the Legendary rank won't rank up anymore. What is your point?

[bitperson]

Those four users have received, in total, one merit point. None of them have gained rank through the merit system.

[FlightyPouch]

It seems that you are saying that the Merit system is not working and there are still a lot of spammers or shitposters that is in the forum.

I don't think that the new system will have an effect immediately, the new system is still in months and I don't think that you will be seeing that effect soon. If this continues, theymos said that he will eliminate signatures and other ways of earning of money in this forum.

[HabBear]

I picked top 4 posts in bitcoin discussions and here is the last response made in those threads:

Top 4 posts according to what metric?

Is it based on the number of merit they've received? The number of views (if so it would have to be a thread)? The number of quotes? The number of replies (would also have to be a thread)?

It feels like you've picked these at random to "try" to prove a point.

[hilariousetc]

They haven't got any merit for those posts you quoted. The merit system is there so those sorts of users get nowhere with their hollow ones liners and won't progress through the ranks without putting the effort in. Not sure what point you're trying to make here though unless you think the merit system is magically going to make everyone write a thesis for every posts which obviously isn't going to happen.

[yahoo62278]

What I am trying to implement into campaigns I manage is users must have merits to join. I currently am allowing users without merits to join(partially), but have started paying higher rates to users with merits. Eventually I will make it a requirement to have merits in order to join campaigns I manage. I would also like to go as far as you must earn merits each week to stay in a campaign.

If all managers do something like I mentioned above, then eventually these shit accounts are phased out and not making any money anymore rendering their accounts useless. With the merit system being fairly new, I can't go full fledged merit crazy on everyone yet. Gotta give ppl a little time to earn some.

[Jet Cash]

if you want to beat it, beat the community first.

All is revealed. These newbies are really Rothschild bankers.

[Tyrantt]

Well that's the point of merit system. Before, they could be posting like that just for the sake of increasing the activity, nothing besides that was stopping them from ranking up. Now, they can post as much as they want tom they'll not be raking up. So, if you ask me, merit system is working.

[digaran]

They are a jobless nation and they are here to beat the community to make them cheerful in life. of course they wont rank up, but they don't need to rank up if they can post garbage upon garbage with 10-100 accounts. don Hillary expects to see them putting effort into their posts. it would be like expecting an uneducated street beggar to write a thesis on cold fusion.

[Bardman]

Actually judging by how many whiny posts you can find here I would say the merit system is working just fine, at least it's another layer of protection. It also has other uses like signature restrictions, I have seen a few where they require you to have certain awarded merit points just to participate, I think that's great and another incentive for people to put extra effort into their posts.

[bitart]

I picked top 4 posts in bitcoin discussions and here is the last response made in those threads:

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Was this the purpose of Merit system ? Note that these are not newbies making these posts.

The merit system needs time to change the current system.
In the ancient times (of the pyramids ) this forum was a place for high qualified computer programmers, after when bitcoin started to get widespread, more and more people came and started to write useless spam (and get paid for it from bounty campaigns)
When it has reached the level that you have to read 10 posts (or more) to find one meaningful post which is ontopic and gives additional information to the reader of the thread, the merit system was introduced to reduce the spam.
This is not a magic wand that will clear the spam in a second from the forum. Unfortunately a really long time has passed since people got used to see that if they start here as a newbie, post shit and rank up to a member or a senior, they will have a good income from posting that shit. Bounty campaigns were encouraging people to spread their advertisements thru the forum in order to get the necessary attention for their ICO or whatever, they were(are) not interested in the post quality but the quantity.
The new system needs time to let people realize that unless they post quality, they won't be able to rank up, so on the long run, it will restrain people registering on the forum just for the hope of the easy money...

[Oulay]

It seems that you are saying that the Merit system is not working and there are still a lot of spammers or shitposters that is in the forum.

I don't think that the new system will have an effect immediately, the new system is still in months and I don't think that you will be seeing that effect soon.

Those four users have received, in total, one merit point. None of them have gained rank through the merit system.

I'm afraid that those shitposters will keep spamming the forums even if they get 1k activity and no merits. Sometimes I get a feeling that those are actually bots not humans with an intelligence level only enough to spam shitposts and won't even notice that they're not ranking up, they will just keep spamming shitposts no matter what.

If this continues, theymos said that he will eliminate signatures and other ways of earning of money in this forum.

He actually said that! where? I thought he ruled out eliminating sig camps because I'm sure I've seen him state this in one of his old posts..
Would you please put a link or quote what he said?

Top 4 posts according to what metric?

I think he actually meant the last four posts. I mean when you visit a board you see the threads ordered according to the time of the last reply in each thread, what I think he did is that he picked the last 4 threads (which are placed at the top of the page ) then picked the last reply in each of them.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And they didn't get any merit.

Those who are bellow the Legendary rank won't rank up anymore. What is your point?

I'm still waiting for these idiots to actually realize this and to give up.  Honestly it's taking a lot longer than I expected, but I suppose that's one of the reasons they're idiots in the first place.

Those posts quoted are indeed horrible, and it's a shame that noob fools are still able to join shitty altcoin campaigns and get paid for such drivel.  I think that's going to be the next reform, but we'll likely have to wait a while for it to happen.  In the meantime, I'm still damn glad the merit system is in place.

[bitart]

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I'm afraid that those shitposters will keep spamming the forums even if they get 1k activity and no merits. Sometimes I get a feeling that those are actually bots not humans with an intelligence level only enough to spam shitposts and won't even notice that they're not ranking up, they will just keep spamming shitposts no matter what.

Unfortunately I also have a feeling that there are bots posting on the forum... I was wondering why not to implement a Captcha for every post... It won't be a problem for me, I'm writing 10-20 posts weekly, so it's not a problem for me to solve 20 captcha per week... But for someone who runs a bot, it will take time to modify the bot's code, have to pay for some captcha solving ptc service to be able to bypass the captcha... Account farmers won't care a lot, but at least bots would stop posting spam...

[hilariousetc]

What I am trying to implement into campaigns I manage is users must have merits to join. I currently am allowing users without merits to join(partially), but have started paying higher rates to users with merits. Eventually I will make it a requirement to have merits in order to join campaigns I manage. I would also like to go as far as you must earn merits each week to stay in a campaign.

If all managers do something like I mentioned above, then eventually these shit accounts are phased out and not making any money anymore rendering their accounts useless. With the merit system being fairly new, I can't go full fledged merit crazy on everyone yet. Gotta give ppl a little time to earn some.

Sadly this just often leads to more abuse as we have already seen with a group of people on one of your campaigns just trading merit between themselves to both get on to your campaign and get the bonuses. Whatever systems we put in place people will just try find ways round it if they can and those with multiple accounts can often do so quite easily (and the ones that don't are often just engaging in merit for merit trades). I still think the only way we're going to combat abuse is to just remove signatures altogether and make people pay a hefty sum to get one. Really can't see many people shelling out $500+ on more than their one or two accounts.

[tomahawk9]

I'm afraid that those shitposters will keep spamming the forums even if they get 1k activity and no merits. Sometimes I get a feeling that those are actually bots not humans with an intelligence level only enough to spam shitposts and won't even notice that they're not ranking up, they will just keep spamming shitposts no matter what.

They'll keep shitposting because their sig campaign manager allows those sort of shitposts. They (shitposters) know that as long as they spam their 2-liner generic and unreadable bullcrap, they'll still get X reward from their sig campaign, so there's no incentive (for old accounts with no merits and account farmers) to make an effort to write a decent post.

[Jet Cash]

Sadly this just often leads to more abuse as we have already seen with a group of people on one of your campaigns just trading merit between themselves to both get on to your campaign and get the bonuses. Whatever systems we put in place people will just try find ways round it if they can and those with multiple accounts can often do so quite easily (and the ones that don't are often just engaging in merit for merit trades). I still think the only way we're going to combat abuse is to just remove signatures altogether and make people pay a hefty sum to get one. Really can't see many people shelling out $500+ on more than their one or two accounts.

It isn't really the allowance of signatures that is the problem, but the use of them. Many members don't care about their reputations, so they will promote any old thing, as long as they get paid to do it. Signatures should be a reward and a thank you from the forum, and not a right for any member to scratch a few coins by posting and promoting rubbish.

[jakeshadows27]

here we go again again about merit system is always a reason many question and suggestion maybe other is just making also trading their merit to rank up here because of its hard to get merit special to new here it this forum high rank here dont think that newbie is just startng here maybe little knowledge but not enough maybe high rank help us to rank and not to insult or discourage newbie here remember you also start here nothing share your knowledge sorry for my word i just expressing my point

[paxmao]

Was this the purpose of Merit system ? Note that these are not newbies making these posts.

The merit system does allow mediocre posting or campaign quota filling, you simply don´t get rewarded for it. The system is also complemented with Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower sections in which no signatures nor adds can be used. If you are worried about the quality, go there and find some. If you are worried about ranking up, do some quality posting.

Some practical tips:

Notice that you do not ALWAYS need to do great posts. You can do normal posts and quality post, the forum is alright with that AFAIK (for the moment). Just avoid crap in its purest expression because that may have consequences.

Obviously it is much much harder than a merit source reads the 10344th response to the thread "are alt-coins good or bad?" than the fourth original and documented answer to a good thread on bitcoin core code improvements or similar high level topic.

I agree that nobody should be insulted for asking, just make sure that you ask the right things and ignore bullying. Good luck.