NewLiberty
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October 17, 2013, 04:15:21 AM |
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So... either you are hoping to be stealing from him (or someone else), or you are doing a favor for him (and aiding and abetting an alleged criminal), or stealing from a government?
would it be stealing if someone would own the private key in your opinion? Sorry for this but I might not be understanding the question. If you are asking: "Is it stealing if you crack a wallet that does not belong to you without permission of the rightful owner of the (private key of the) wallet." Yes, I think that is stealing. I don't think anyone is really arguing that it isn't stealing, (or plunder, if it is indeed pirate booty). Instead I think that they feel that it is justified because of their belief about who might own it and the circumstances around that. |
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nikona
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October 17, 2013, 04:41:33 AM |
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wow .. thats a lot of money and it just gone like that?
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DodoB
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October 17, 2013, 06:30:03 PM |
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Well i would take it, ONLY IF I KNEW HOW to escape FBI,CIA,NSA,NASA and the whole US army who wants me to give their coins backSeriously is it even possible to take thoose coins  |
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NewLiberty
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October 17, 2013, 07:00:30 PM |
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Well i would take it, ONLY IF I KNEW HOW to escape FBI,CIA,NSA,NASA and the whole US army who wants me to give their coins backSeriously is it even possible to take thoose coins If it is, Bitcoin is finished. |
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mccorvic
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October 17, 2013, 07:10:16 PM |
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Well i would take it, ONLY IF I KNEW HOW to escape FBI,CIA,NSA,NASA and the whole US army who wants me to give their coins backSeriously is it even possible to take thoose coins If it is, Bitcoin is finished. True dat. It really is funny how these crazy types are so scared of the "guvernmint" that they are wiling to destroy themselves just to spite them. |
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ladyfox
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October 18, 2013, 12:17:23 AM |
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i wonder if that guy have forgot his wallet pass or detail , god thats a lot $$
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havecoch
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October 18, 2013, 12:55:41 AM |
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if the government are able to do so there will be no price on it anymore |
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October 18, 2013, 01:50:25 AM |
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trichome
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October 18, 2013, 02:12:17 AM |
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This is our way in...These paid fools let to much info out.
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October 18, 2013, 04:25:57 AM
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Hack a private key = brute force How many private keys can a normal computer try each second? Feel free to be generous. A trillion you say? Whoa, but ok. 2^40. How many computers on your team? Be generous. A trillion you say? Whoa, another 2^40. Wow, every second the team is trying 2^80 private keys. There are about 2^25 seconds in a year. So, that first year the team knocks down 2^105 private keys, nice. So, in the first trillion years the team (we'll call them a dedicated bunch) will get 2^145 private keys done. Oh, darn the end of the universe is coming up and we are still short by a factor of 2^256/2^145=2^111. Oh, we're gonna need faster than normal computers and a really big team. |
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October 18, 2013, 04:36:44 AM |
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The answer is 42.
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October 18, 2013, 04:37:48 AM |
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So... either you are hoping to be stealing from him (or someone else), or you are doing a favor for him (and aiding and abetting an alleged criminal), or stealing from a government?
would it be stealing if someone would own the private key in your opinion? Sorry for this but I might not be understanding the question. If you are asking: "Is it stealing if you crack a wallet that does not belong to you without permission of the rightful owner of the (private key of the) wallet." Yes, I think that is stealing. I don't think anyone is really arguing that it isn't stealing, (or plunder, if it is indeed pirate booty). Instead I think that they feel that it is justified because of their belief about who might own it and the circumstances around that. I'd love to hear what you mean by "a wallet that doesn't belong to you"? |
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viboracecata
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October 18, 2013, 05:24:35 AM |
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Wow, but how if it is just one online wallet.
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viboracecata
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October 18, 2013, 05:27:48 AM |
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I'll get right on to that.
EDIT: The password is "swordfish"
password = PrInCeSs BuTtErCuP5.0
Hey it's easy. The password is 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a too.  Hint: The password starts with the number 5 Are you serious? |
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October 18, 2013, 08:01:56 AM |
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If it only took 1-10 billion years then that would be a problem. Splitting the work between 1-10 billion computers would then make is a 1 year quest only. How you know how ASICs compare to everyday computers regarding the mining speed. Imagine an ASIC which sole purpose it is to find a given bitcoin address. That would probably reduce it to 10k-100k of these machines (plus you can add in some normal computers to substitute for not having as many ASICs in the beginning at a 1:100 rate (for the beginning, these ASICs would, over time, be 1000 times and more faster than a normal PC). Now also imagine you don't only look for only one address, but... lets say the Top 1000 BTC addresses. If this 1-10 billion years and there fore the 1 years with the power of 1-10 billion machines is correct and the worst case scenario, hat would leave you with ~2,74 of those top 1000 address' private key being found PER DAY. If it's not the worst case scenario but an average, that would leave you with only ~1,37 private keys per day. Someone please enlighten me if the 1-10 billion thingy is correct because that could be a huge problem regarding the fact that computer power increases rapidly. |
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October 18, 2013, 08:13:06 AM |
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To all the people saying 2^256, please know that it's actually 2^160 to brute force a bitcoin address. You don't need to find the exact private key, you just need to find another key which collides with the hash to form the same address. Did you know that for any given bitcoin address, you can expect there to be roughly 2^96 different public keys which are valid for that address.. and so you just need to generate *one* of them to be able to spend from that address.
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October 18, 2013, 08:27:40 AM |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/17/does-this-17-million-bitcoin-wallet-belong-to-alleged-silk-road-mastermind-ross-ulbricht/UC-San Diego academic Sarah Meiklejohn, who has done work de-anonymizing Bitcoin transactions, confirmed the link between the two addresses. But she said it wasn’t conclusive, and that ownership of the Bitcoins could have changed hands during the transactions. In other words, the wallets may be linked, but it doesn’t mean they’re both owned by the same people.
“Given that the [$17-million wallet] has the largest amount of bitcoins in any one address (and has for a while), people are always going to be eager to try to unmask its owner,” she said by email. “But I seriously doubt any type of blockchain analysis could do this definitively (unless it eventually spends its bitcoins; that’s a different story entirely!).”
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October 18, 2013, 08:35:57 AM |
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To all the people saying 2^256, please know that it's actually 2^160 to brute force a bitcoin address. You don't need to find the exact private key, you just need to find another key which collides with the hash to form the same address. Did you know that for any given bitcoin address, you can expect there to be roughly 2^96 different public keys which are valid for that address.. and so you just need to generate *one* of them to be able to spend from that address.
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October 18, 2013, 08:37:29 AM |
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What about the two factor authentication?
Ummm..what? |
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fbueller
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October 18, 2013, 08:40:42 AM |
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If you're talking about brute forcing, you would be looking to brute force the raw private key. Once you have that you can spend the coins. Two factor is redundant if someone has a key which is not password protected. It's the same reason changing your wallets password wont do you any good if it's compromised, you need to send to a new address, related to a new private key.
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