Suggestion: Merit Phase 2 - Drain the Swamp (@theymos)

[TheQuin]

Ok, there is true in your words, but who will give merit for a post from newbie?
In my experiance, more often merit receive users with beautiful signature and avatars, than a person with only nickname and number of activity and merit number..

I will and have done so. Usually, they will have learned to trim quotes so people don't have to scroll through the whole of the post they just read again. Then after mastering the basics of using a forum they have posted something that I found interesting, didn't already know, answered a question better than I could or just simply made me laugh.

Really signatures and avatars don't make any difference other than sometimes I feel a bit guilty if someone is promoting a scammy ICO, but it doesn't stop me.

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[Jet Cash]

Ok, there is true in your words, but who will give merit for a post from newbie?
In my experiance, more often merit receive users with beautiful signature and avatars, than a person with only nickname and number of activity and merit number..

I haven't bothered to read this thread, because there are so many inconsiderate posters that keep on bulking their posts with repetitive quotes. If you want people to read your point, don't wrap it in a load of old vegetation.

I did spot the quoted comment, and I have given merit to a wide range of new, and not so new, members, and that includes some who I awarded for their first post in the forum. I won't give merit if I don't read your post though, and I probably won't see it if I have to wade through a mass of repeated text.

[steve_rogers]

Some campaign managers have taken the initiative to make minimum Merit requirements compulsory to join their campaigns but those managers were already the ones with high standards. They were not the problem, it has always been the managers that just blindly accept the first x hundred people to apply and pay them regardless of the spam they produce.

Honestly, I think it is a good practice.
But I think signature campaigns should not be restricted for non-merit heroes-legends members, their stacks should be reduced in a half, I think it will be fair and enough to stimulate make quality posts. And will give more income for merit members. Fortunately , there are managers who already implemented such practice.

[Talk merit]

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In my experiance, more often merit receive users with beautiful signature and avatars, than a person with only nickname and number of activity and merit number..

That is only true if the awarder is a sig spammer, an alt, or a bounty manager.

Also, Jet Cash has awarded merit to brand new members for their first posts. I suspect he is not unique in this.

[Name: Claudio]

Well look who become selfish and how people of the forum becoming self centered now a days, if I can't earn one merit in a month then it means I cant join signature bounty even I reach Jr. Member rank? I think some cells on your brain has died due to dehydration and need to be watered, when your request become legal and adopted it means only higher accounts will only survive our forum?, and only you will earn and take all the credit together with your family, friends and neighbor? Then what's next? Limit all income of bounty hunter due to count of merit? Award base on merit? ha, go and study law subject for you to be enlighten again.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Limit all income of bounty hunter due to count of merit? Award base on merit?

I don't know about all bounties, but for signature campaigns that actually require posts written on bitcointalk, I fully support basing someone's acceptance on merits.  It makes sense to me that if you can't earn merits for your posts by writing coherent sentences, then you shouldn't be paid to do it.   The users who haven't earned any merit so far are the ones who write garbage, plain and simple.  It doesn't matter what country you're from, what your skin color is, or how poor you are--if you can write reasonably well, you'll earn merits.  The people who are in campaigns like Chipmixer and a small handful of others that have been around a long time aren't shitposters.  That's tooting my own horn a bit, but it's true.

Since campaigns are so competitive, I don't see why requiring a minimum amount of merit points is unreasonable.  You might feel "discriminated against" but that's just how the job market works.  All you have on bitcointalk is your words as your qualification for campaigns (and reputation), and the merit system is designed to reward those who can arrange words in the best manner possible. 

To the extent that it serves that function, I think campaigns--and especially these altcoin bounty-campaigns that tend to have managers of questionable judgement--should only be able to accept members who've proven they can earn merits.  It would be very nice if the admins would require campaigns to increase their standards.

[Woopiss]

Limit all income of bounty hunter due to count of merit? Award base on merit?

I don't know about all bounties, but for signature campaigns that actually require posts written on bitcointalk, I fully support basing someone's acceptance on merits.  It makes sense to me that if you can't earn merits for your posts by writing coherent sentences, then you shouldn't be paid to do it.   The users who haven't earned any merit so far are the ones who write garbage, plain and simple.  It doesn't matter what country you're from, what your skin color is, or how poor you are--if you can write reasonably well, you'll earn merits.  The people who are in campaigns like Chipmixer and a small handful of others that have been around a long time aren't shitposters.  That's tooting my own horn a bit, but it's true.

Since campaigns are so competitive, I don't see why requiring a minimum amount of merit points is unreasonable.  You might feel "discriminated against" but that's just how the job market works.  All you have on bitcointalk is your words as your qualification for campaigns (and reputation), and the merit system is designed to reward those who can arrange words in the best manner possible.  

To the extent that it serves that function, I think campaigns--and especially these altcoin bounty-campaigns that tend to have managers of questionable judgement--should only be able to accept members who've proven they can earn merits.  It would be very nice if the admins would require campaigns to increase their standards.

Yet, all you do is negative,your day begins from desecration of newbie and who knows badly eng  ! Only  "shitpost", "shitpost", "shitpost" every day...Instead of their efforts to help   of the people and supporting ,I see from you only  "shitpost" , looked your 10 pages and what did I see? "shitpost" and negative comments... Eat chocolate perhaps it will help you or spend more time with your girl ...Get your head out of the clouds...! Nobody from newbie can get Legendary now you have nothing to worry about it , but you still put pressure on the new people and mock!You hypocritically think that this is your home, but it is not! You just  register before we!  I hope you  understand me and you will be a little kind!

About the topic "Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months."  Counteroffer Amend the forum to hide signatures of Legendary and Hero Member account that hasn't earned at least 100 merit in the last 2 months! This is comparable to your statuses! Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
ps.I apologize for Bad eng, I tried as best !

[Talk merit]

The Pharmacist has gained over 100 merits, and that is in addition to all the work he does in trying to improve the quality of the forum.

[athanz88]

Limit all income of bounty hunter due to count of merit? Award base on merit?

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Yet, all you do is negative,your day begins from desecration of newbie and who knows badly eng  ! Only  "shitpost", "shitpost", "shitpost" every day...Instead of their efforts to help   of the people and supporting ,I see from you only  "shitpost" , looked your 10 pages and what did I see? "shitpost" and negative comments... Eat chocolate perhaps it will help you or spend more time with your girl ...Get your head out of the clouds...! Nobody from newbie can get Legendary now you have nothing to worry about it , but you still put pressure on the new people and mock!You hypocritically think that this is your home, but it is not! You just  register before we (bold 1)!  I hope you  understand me and you will be a little kind!

About the topic "Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months."  Counteroffer Amend the forum to hide signatures of Legendary and Hero Member account that hasn't earned at least 100 merit in the last 2 months (bold 2)! This is comparable to your statuses! Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
ps.I apologize for Bad eng, I tried as best !

What an irony, you want an equality between old members with new members (bold 1) and talking like the old member's time that have been spent on here is nothing even though some of them only spamming, yet you counter offer this good proposal with a system which is easier for low ranked member and harder for higher ranked member. Thats the problem with people like you, only thinks about a system or condition that is easier and benefitted your self and your kind.

[mithrim]

[...] and the merit system is designed to reward those who can arrange words in the best manner possible. 

Thank you, I'm in bed with a cold but this made me laugh 

I think campaigns--and especially these altcoin bounty-campaigns that tend to have managers of questionable judgement--should only be able to accept members who've proven they can earn merits. 

I totally agree that Bounty Campaigns should incorporate Merit (as I suggested in 'RANK & MERIT-BASED Signature Campaigns'), but a problem is that it can't be too restrictive as Bounty Campaigns aim to get as many participants as possible (that post a lot) as this means more visibility. If Merit would be a requirement, most Campaigns wouldn't have enough participants.

It would be very nice if the admins would require campaigns to increase their standards.

Enforcing this through mods and admins would require a lot of overhead and I think we need a more 'natural' way that it doesn't need to be enforced but that everyone benefits from the way things are handled.

[seoincorporation]

Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months.

This will bar them from getting paid to post and not have any negative impact on anyone making even the tiniest contribution to the forum. Nobody loses their rank and even if someone is away from the forum for a while they can quickly get their signature back.

Even when it is not a bad idea, I don't agree with you on the point of merits. Recently I have seen too many farmers giving merits to their accounts, even when the publication with merit was a total crap. In order to make your suggestion even more accurate, I would change the part about merit and encourage signatures managers to check out the merit background of their users, as well as their last 20 publications. This is really easy to detect here on the forum merit-farmers if you take a look of their profiles and check out their merit, for they are usually shameless and give merits from an account to another almost every day.
Nevertheless, I find your suggestion truly useful to the forum, and my little modification is focused on the only part I consider to be improvable.

[mithrim]

I would change the part about merit and encourage signatures managers to check out the merit background of their users, as well as their last 20 publications. This is really easy to detect here on the forum merit-farmers if you take a look of their profiles and check out their merit, for they are usually shameless and give merits from an account to another almost every day.

Checking the post history of a single account is much easier than cross-referencing multiple accounts in order to spot Merit-related issues, but I agree, I would be the better solution. Many of those who do this are also already tagged for Merit cheating.

[Silent26]

Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months.

This will bar them from getting paid to post and not have any negative impact on anyone making even the tiniest contribution to the forum. Nobody loses their rank and even if someone is away from the forum for a while they can quickly get their signature back.



You know what i get your point on removing shitpost with the forum. Even though i am new to this cryptocurrency and this system but still rank is not the basis that the person holding the account is a dumbass. An individual with newbie account will not determine his/her educational attainment.
Anyway base on what i have understood with your post you were literally want to remove shitposter but think of it a number of accounts here will remove just because they do not receive merits. Merits are not readily given even if your postings are all good. A bigger chance that you will not be able to receive merits. As what you are suggesting is just like you will remove bounty hunters that will help every ICO to promote their project. You will going to monopolize those campaign for yourself. Then you are more greedy than those individuals creating  multiple accounts. You are worst than scam. Think of it many times. How could a project be promoted without the help of the bounty hunters around the world just to remove shitposter? Definitely your ideals are wrong. Go back to school kid.

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You know what i get your point on removing shitpost with the forum.

Your posts will be also removed if that happens. You know what I mean right?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You know what i get your point on removing shitpost with the forum. Even though i am new to this cryptocurrency and this system but still rank is not the basis that the person holding the account is a dumbass. An individual with newbie account will not determine his/her educational attainment.
Anyway base on what i have understood with your post you were literally want to remove shitposter but think of it a number of accounts here will remove just because they do not receive merits. Merits are not readily given even if your postings are all good. A bigger chance that you will not be able to receive merits. As what you are suggesting is just like you will remove bounty hunters that will help every ICO to promote their project. You will going to monopolize those campaign for yourself. Then you are more greedy than those individuals creating  multiple accounts. You are worst than scam. Think of it many times. How could a project be promoted without the help of the bounty hunters around the world just to remove shitposter? Definitely your ideals are wrong. Go back to school kid.

These aren't spam campaigns.  And once again we have a user who's snarling, red-faced, about how he's been terribly mistreated by the merit system--and he can't even format his post properly, and can't write in English properly.  You're never going to get anywhere with this.

You people need to stop blaming the system for your troubles and start looking at where your problem is, and it's you.  No one but you.  You spew out all of this jumbled nonsense, so much so that Bitcoin Discussion and Economics are nothing but spam sections, where there's no actual discussion of bitcoin going on.  Those sections are FULL of garbage like this:

I think bitcoin not only source of extra income,but its also source of full income.bitcoin is the best source of earn income.by using bitcoin people get income.also its a platform of investment and it return good profit.

And let me tell you, the above is nothing but a shitpost, which I've reported.  It was written by someone who heard you could make big bucks on bitcointalk by just having a thimbleful of English knowledge.  No experience necessary, and you don't even have to know anything about bitcoin!  

It's backfiring on you guys, though.  Hopefully the merit system will keep you at Jr. Member status for life.  May you never rank up.

[TheQuin]

You know what i get your point on removing shitpost with the forum.

Let me help you with that

'You know what? I get your point about removing shitposts from the forum.'

That's better, it is in English now.

As what you are suggesting is just like you will remove bounty hunters that will help every ICO to promote their project.

That is indeed the idea.

You will going to monopolize those campaign for yourself. Then you are more greedy than those individuals creating  multiple accounts. You are worst than scam. Think of it many times. How could a project be promoted without the help of the bounty hunters around the world just to remove shitposter? Definitely your ideals are wrong. Go back to school kid.

I would not promote scammy ICOs and I'm trying to get them to leave the forum and spam their shit somewhere else. Then this forum can go back to being a place for Bitcoin enthusiasts to discuss issues without all the shitposts in broken English like yours. I'm no kid and you are the one in need of an education. Your English is so poor it is barely understandable and you think you are eligible for a writing job.

[honeyira]

The purpose of the bounty is to promote the product at any means regardless it is a shit post or not.  And it cannot really prevent the shitposters who are already in the higher ranks. If they have 5 account they can just give 1 merits to their alts and they're in again on the campaign.
It will just give more advantages to higher ranks shitposters.

[JaredKaragen]

FWIW just reading this thread;  I have only received merit just once since the new implementation;  and gone from Hero to Legendary (apparently)...  Just noticed a few minutes ago when I saw the huge addition to the user stats.

I don't consider myself a shitposter (especially given the sig campaign i am a part of that people seem to despise);  I am pretty much straight to the point, and offer help and assistance when I can, if I can.   I have uploaded many miner scripts for free open public use.

If the original thoughts on requiring merit really happens;  I fear it would impact my abilities here in a negative way possibly....  I don't post all over this board... pretty much just post in a few subforums.

Look at my merit.   Hasn't moved much in the last how long?  Yet I am active, and contributing in many ways....

[TheQuin]

FWIW just reading this thread;  I have only received merit just once since the new implementation;  and gone from Hero to Legendary (apparently)...  Just noticed a few minutes ago when I saw the huge addition to the user stats.

I don't consider myself a shitposter (especially given the sig campaign i am a part of that people seem to despise);  I am pretty much straight to the point, and offer help and assistance when I can, if I can.   I have uploaded many miner scripts for free open public use.

If the original thoughts on requiring merit really happens;  I fear it would impact my abilities here in a negative way possibly....  I don't post all over this board... pretty much just post in a few subforums.

Look at my merit.   Hasn't moved much in the last how long?  Yet I am active, and contributing in many ways....

You are a good example of where the Merit hasn't been working well yet. Mining and particularly altcoin mining don't seem to be followed by enough sources. When I first came to the forum, mining was my only reason to be here, so it is something that I hope is addressed.

[mattcode]

You people need to stop blaming the system for your troubles and start looking at where your problem is, and it's you.  No one but you.  You spew out all of this jumbled nonsense, so much so that Bitcoin Discussion and Economics are nothing but spam sections, where there's no actual discussion of bitcoin going on.  Those sections are FULL of garbage like this:

I think bitcoin not only source of extra income,but its also source of full income.bitcoin is the best source of earn income.by using bitcoin people get income.also its a platform of investment and it return good profit.

Are messages like that even written by hand? It looks like it was generated by a Markov chain.

FWIW just reading this thread;  I have only received merit just once since the new implementation;  and gone from Hero to Legendary (apparently)...  Just noticed a few minutes ago when I saw the huge addition to the user stats.

Congratulations on reaching Legendary , I'd give you more merit if I could.

[Woopiss]

You are a good example of where the Merit hasn't been working well yet. Mining and particularly altcoin mining don't seem to be followed by enough sources. When I first came to the forum, mining was my only reason to be here, so it is something that I hope is addressed.

You are a good example of which contradicts itself.. You created a topic to complicate life...and He speaks " the Merit hasn't been working well yet" What's wrong with you guys? And so many people supported you ..People with good status, like to complicate life! Because in most cases, they support each other and on Newbie I'm pretty sure they don't care!