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October 16, 2013, 08:27:19 PM
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 Ukyo.Loan si Graet.Loan @ BitFunder:

Shares value:
- Shares have a face value of 0.01 BTC

Redeeming Shares:
- Shares can be redeemed at face value anytime upon request.
- Redeeming shares may take some time to liquidate positions or procure more BTC.

Atunci de ce se vand cu preturi intre 0.0085 - 0.0096?
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October 17, 2013, 12:13:21 AM
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Cerere si oferta?

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October 17, 2013, 12:40:54 AM
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Ukyo.Loan si Graet.Loan @ BitFunder:

Shares value:
- Shares have a face value of 0.01 BTC

Redeeming Shares:
- Shares can be redeemed at face value anytime upon request.
- Redeeming shares may take some time to liquidate positions or procure more BTC.

Atunci de ce se vand cu preturi intre 0.0085 - 0.0096?

Poate e un pic off topic..dar eu nu prea am incredere in Ukio..am trimis la WeEchxchange (tot un site de al lui ca sa fund Bitfunder) 36000 de ripples (erau listati ca gateway pentru XRP) si nici pana in ziua de azi nu pot sa sa iau inapoi depositul de la el..nici un raspuns ...Graet mi-a raspuns la un PM cel putin..il mai las un pic si ma iau de el "public"
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October 17, 2013, 05:53:20 PM
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Pai daca ele pot fi "redeemed anytyme at face value" adica 0.1 btc... De ce le'ar vinde cineva cu mai putin? indiferent de cerere si oferta... Ori imi scapa ceva ori inteleg eu gresit cum e cu rascumpararea.
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October 18, 2013, 05:24:01 AM
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Mai documenteaza-te. Acest sistem pleaca de la premiza ca 1BTC = 100$ asta e valoarea intrinseca . Dar valoarea actiunii este listata in BTC pret market.

Valoarea actiunii :
Interest:
- Shares shall pay an interest of 0.05% daily.

Shares value:
- Shares have a face value of 0.01 BTC
- Shares retain a minimum of $0.1 USD value each.


Asta este garantia ,  buyer protection program daca vrei.

Should any event make Bitcoins become valued at less than $1 USD per Bitcoin or impossible to be transacted, you may request to redeem your shares for $0.1 USD instead.

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October 18, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
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Zubulica, ms de raspuns.
Totusi tot nu imi este clar: daca detin 100 shares (bonds mai exact, in acest caz) nu pot cere rascumpararea lor la 0.01 btc/bond?
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October 18, 2013, 01:54:49 PM
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ma ce e asa complicat daca ai 100 shares poti sa le vinzi pe cat vrei tu...dar daca pretul scade mult...si tu vrei sa scapi de ele...aia isi rascumpara actiunile la 0.01...
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October 18, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
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Zubulica, ms de raspuns.
Totusi tot nu imi este clar: daca detin 100 shares (bonds mai exact, in acest caz) nu pot cere rascumpararea lor la 0.01 btc/bond?

esti conditionat de pret 1BTC=1$ . numai daca este indeplinita aceasta conditie poti sa faci redeem

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October 18, 2013, 06:57:48 PM
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Zubulica, ms de raspuns.
Totusi tot nu imi este clar: daca detin 100 shares (bonds mai exact, in acest caz) nu pot cere rascumpararea lor la 0.01 btc/bond?

esti conditionat de pret 1BTC=1$ . numai daca este indeplinita aceasta conditie poti sa faci redeem

Inteleg. Adica cel care imprumuta banii (btc) nu mai are nici un control asupra lor? Totusi este un "loan", cand expira el?
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October 18, 2013, 06:59:34 PM
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tu esti cel care imprumuta, si primiesti un procent saptamanal.

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October 18, 2013, 07:25:18 PM
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tu esti cel care imprumuta, si primiesti un procent saptamanal.

Stiu asta si tocmai de aici vine intrebarea mea. Cand expira acest imprumut?
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October 19, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
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Se pare ca am gasit raspunsul: Imprumutul expira atunci cand decide detinatorul de bond'uri, nefiind conditionat de nici un alt aspect (multumesc zubulica dar te inseli cu acea conditie). Singurul motiv pentru care se vand sub face value este pentru ca momentan Ukio si Graet nu onoreaza aceste cereri, cel mai probabil pentru ca nu dispun de fonduri.

"I think it is pretty obvious that redemptions are not occuring right now. If Graet and Ukyo had funds ready for redemption, they would be buying their shares at bitfunder itself for <0.01 instead of redeeming yours for 0.01. The only option left for those who wish to redeem the shares at face value is to wait. I have a considerable amount of BTC in those shares, but I am aware that there is no way to redeem them any time soon at face value, and I also do not want to redeem them with a loss."
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