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November 28, 2013, 02:12:54 AM
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Holy crap guys. I have read this whole thread, the whitepaper(as best I could), the website, and I have read the mastercoin subreddit. I still have no fucking clue as to why I should use mastercoin over coloredcoin other than it seems that the colored coin project is dead.

Forget investing, I can't even understand the difference besides that one seems to be a pre-mined (unless I am mistaken) ledger which doesn't depend on bitcoin for its transactions and can be used on another blockchain if need be.


This is a great video where an Executive Architect from IBM basically explains the colored coins concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDO7TDMlxsY

If I was a business who wanted to do an IPO why would I choose Mastercoin to represent my shares over colored coins?


This is a great question which I haven't seen answered yet.

Because you have Mastercoins and because Mastercoins are stable. I am not convinced Colored Coins will be more stable than Bitcoin but if it can then it will do well. For me I like the fact that Mastercoin provides an escrow because I shouldn't have to trust the issuer to honor the contract and having Mastercoins as escrow will allow for people to have a place to put their wealth to use creating new currencies in a way which isn't too much risk. I also like that Mastercoin can act as a unit of measure for the entire system where all wealth in the system can be determined by an unchanging Mastercoin. There will be very minimal inflation in Mastercoin compared to Bitcoin and that means a lot less volatility and a much better measuring unit.

If you like Colored Coin then use it, but if you like Mastercoin then use it. Some people will certainly pick one or the other, some will use both. Some will use Bitshares and some will use all three.

Why wouldn't you use all three?

#1 This did not answer the question of why you would use Mastercoin vs a mastercoin copycat to offer an IPO.

#2 How are you claiming that mastercoin will have a stable value? It seems like the value of Mastercoin is rising rapidly atm. Are you saying that the contracts will be stable? Why does that offer something a volatile copycat cannot provide if the contract's value is independent of the value of the currency?

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I don't know, why would I use Mastercoin at all?

I don't understand the niche of Mastercoin at all. Bitcoin has the first mover advantage and it has an obvious deflationary nature. Mastercoin seems to be based on the value of the contracts and securities it represents. Why does that give it value? Can't contracts and securities be moved to another ledger? Why not?

I like the idea but I don't see why it is so valuable/scarce/un-copyable. I am sure that this concept will come to fruition but why is Mastercoin where the buck stops?

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it seems that the colored coin project is dead.
Not remotely.

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it seems that the colored coin project is dead.
Not remotely.

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How does one get MasterCoins? Is there a QT ?


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November 30, 2013, 02:18:26 AM
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December 25, 2013, 12:37:04 AM
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I don't understand the niche of Mastercoin at all. Bitcoin has the first mover advantage and it has an obvious deflationary nature. Mastercoin seems to be based on the value of the contracts and securities it represents. Why does that give it value? Can't contracts and securities be moved to another ledger? Why not?


That's why iXcoin ( alt coin created in 2011 ) may in fact be a more economically viable alternative to hosting contracts and securities than master coin.

iXcoin already has 1/3rd the hash rate of Bitcoin (via merge mining), so the blockchain is quite secure.

Now as for the value of the contracts and securities,   does it matter if these are printed on gold or on paper?



      
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December 25, 2013, 12:37:51 AM
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.


      
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December 25, 2013, 01:40:05 AM
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Open-Transactions is the project that's actually going to work.

It's actually going to incorporate colored coins as a way of adding certain features that the libraries to not currently support.
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?

it does seem ixcoin falls into the prebuilt solution that will be better than master coin or maybe even IOCOIN

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Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?

Unlike a mastercoin implementation,  a colored coin implementation consumes coins proportional to the number of coins issued.

In other words, say I need to create 20 million shares of a company stock,  to do that we colored coins using iXcoin as the block chain, I would need to allocate 20 million x 1,000 satoshis = 20 IXC.   So, as more financial contracts employ iXcoin, the demand for IXC goes up and the supply gets reduced.

A mastercoin  implementation by contrast allocates the same amount of bitcoin regardless of how many contracts are issued.  In other words, the underlying coin does not benefit from the introduction of mastercoin.  In fact, there is no correlation of the reduction of supply as mastercoin is used to create financial instruments.  In other words,  I can use 10 mastercoins or 1000 mastercoin to represent 20 million shares.  Does not make a difference!



      
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December 25, 2013, 03:01:05 AM
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?

it does seem ixcoin falls into the prebuilt solution that will be better than master coin or maybe even IOCOIN

It will be hard to fortell if it would be better.  All that is know is that it will be based on more mature technology.

In the world of financial instruments,  it is better to err on the side of maturity over sophistication.


      
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?

Unlike a mastercoin implementation,  a colored coin implementation consumes coins proportional to the number of coins issued.

In other words, say I need to create 20 million shares of a company stock,  to do that we colored coins using iXcoin as the block chain, I would need to allocate 20 million x 1,000 satoshis = 20 IXC.   So, as more financial contracts employ iXcoin, the demand for IXC goes up and the supply gets reduced.

A mastercoin  implementation by contrast allocates the same amount of bitcoin regardless of how many contracts are issued.  In other words, the underlying coin does not benefit from the introduction of mastercoin.  In fact, there is no correlation of the reduction of supply as mastercoin is used to create financial instruments.  In other words,  I can use 10 mastercoins or 1000 mastercoin to represent 20 million shares.  Does not make a difference!



Will there be enough Ixcoins in the future in case colored coins via this blockchain get super popular?

I've read everything you've said and i'm thinking of buying couple of hundred coins as a hedge and because i see some logic to your arguments.
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Also, why would some there be a need for just one big player? Isn't there room for more of these protocols? Some companies, financial institutions might prefer colored coins, some might use NXT, others Mastercoins?
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December 25, 2013, 06:01:00 PM
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what happens to open transaction

Likely to be incorporated into the iXcoin ecosystem to handle advanced financial instruments.

What happens in this case? Will the price of iXcoin rise? Rise significantly?

Unlike a mastercoin implementation,  a colored coin implementation consumes coins proportional to the number of coins issued.

In other words, say I need to create 20 million shares of a company stock,  to do that we colored coins using iXcoin as the block chain, I would need to allocate 20 million x 1,000 satoshis = 20 IXC.   So, as more financial contracts employ iXcoin, the demand for IXC goes up and the supply gets reduced.

A mastercoin  implementation by contrast allocates the same amount of bitcoin regardless of how many contracts are issued.  In other words, the underlying coin does not benefit from the introduction of mastercoin.  In fact, there is no correlation of the reduction of supply as mastercoin is used to create financial instruments.  In other words,  I can use 10 mastercoins or 1000 mastercoin to represent 20 million shares.  Does not make a difference!



Will there be enough Ixcoins in the future in case colored coins via this blockchain get super popular?

I've read everything you've said and i'm thinking of buying couple of hundred coins as a hedge and because i see some logic to your arguments.

There is a cap of 21 million iXcoins.   Your question is like asking,  is 21 million bitcoins enough?  Supply and demand affects price.

  If you have this layered protocol like mastercoin or colored coin,  one would expect that there was a 'toll'  for using this layered protocol.  With mastercoin there is no toll collected either by bitcoin or benefiting mastercoin.  So I fail to see any supply/demand dynamics for mastercoin.

 To be clear,  why would I need more than 1,000 mastercoins when the functionality available for 1 mastercoin can do the same?  There is no 'conservation of money' in the entire scheme!  There is absolutely zero scarcity!  Economics works on the presence of scarcity, without it, all pricing goes to zero.

With the iXcoin approach we preserve the value of a coin.  Printing 1 million of a company shares costs more than printing 10,000 shares.   Building a system that is completely devoid of cost doesn't make sense.  iXcoin is still merged mine, so there is a cost for every coin minted.  There is no cost for some guy to come up with his own 'exodus address' in mastercoin.

The www.ixcoin.co  will be updated to reflect the new strategy of iXcoin. 

   





      
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December 25, 2013, 06:04:09 PM
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Also, why would some there be a need for just one big player? Isn't there room for more of these protocols? Some companies, financial institutions might prefer colored coins, some might use NXT, others Mastercoins?

Yes, it's going to be a competitive environment in this space.


      
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