ICE ROCK MINING - SCAM!!!

[Calidude]

The following is for anyone who is still invested or considering investing into Ice Rock Mining. 

This is a very small sample of the way they treat investors and also how much they lied about the whole concept of Ice Rock Mining. 

As you can see from the image below, this is how they treat their investors, simply for asking an honest legitimate question. 





And ANYONE who seriously believes the mining is lifetime, even though their ANN says "Lifetime Profits" as per previous post it is the lifetime of the Miners not your lifetime, so again, more smoke and mirror tactics they use to suck people in. 

A poster above questioned whether or not their Admin knew what he was saying when he posted about the lifetime being the machines or a human lifetime, well he has doubled down on that so I think this removes any doubt, this project will last at most 2 years then the payments which are already pathetically low will get lower and lower due to difficulty and them being a shady company.

That will be their exit, they will just stop paying out because of "The environment is beyond out control and we could not foresee blah blah" and woosh your money is GONE.



So as you can see it is the lifetime of the Miners NOT lifetime in the sense they wanted you to believe when buying at or post ICO. 

They are shady criminals who have used greed, lies and deception from conception. 

If you are holding ROCK2 you will still this month again receive $1.30 or so per thousand tokens. 

The current price per token at the time of writing this is $0.37 so to purchase 1000 tokens it will cost you $370.00 for a return of $1.30, I may be missing something here but if I invest $370 and get back $1.30 something would tell me that this is NOT a very good investment.   


Also there is some shadiness with the top holders, I took a screen shot of the top 100 holders about 2 months ago, and let me tell you they HAVE been buying tokens and artificially pumping the price when it dips, they have also been selling, so they are playing you all like fools.

Seriously do not let your blind faith or greed for potential profits ruin you financially sell out now before they just disappear. 

And remember on the Telegram when you are talking to Peter K. you are actually speaking to Dias.  Although he is good at being deceptive, he really does suck at being sneaky, only took me a couple of weeks to work it out that he is Peter K.  But one thing he is good at is lieing and deflecting and setting up a scam, he has proved that with IRM. 

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[Marcel Beliveau]

1/
Yes, the "Peter K" guy seems not to be a normal investor. I noticed that also. you are certainly right.

2/
Concerning marketing side, i was just saying that at the beginning they really planned to use the mine to install the farm....They understood afterwards that it wasn't a good idea.

3/
They can't exit scam like that : they gave their names, the owner has one apple shop in Almaty, there is probably a registered company in KZK (should be interesting to get the company registration by the way...i think it's public information), they raised a huge amount... and there are laws!

I still think that they don't plan to scam...it's just that they launched the project with a lack of experience.

Someone just "ragequit" i think and so "decreased" the price till 0.00096 ETH/ROCK2...I really think that it will not remain at this price for a while...we are all just disappointed that they don't reach full capacity faster! (disclaimer : i'm rock2 token holder)

And anyway, keep in mind that if competition for mining is hard in 2018...When you get electricity cheaper than competitors in a quite cold country, you have a huge advantage.

[sluppy]

Still no shortage of Shills in their telegram the amount of spam is unbelievable.

[tmfp]

And anyway, keep in mind that if competition for mining is hard in 2018...When you get electricity cheaper than competitors in a quite cold country, you have a huge advantage.

$0.03 (as Ice Rock claim they're paying) isn't fantastically cheap and Kazakhstan isn't particularly cold.
Any (slim) advantage IR may have on those two fronts has to be weighed against the huge disadvantage of being disorganized, arrogant and inexperienced.
They are a fat, naive minnow in a sea of mining cartel sharks.

[Marcel Beliveau]

$0.03 is the price they claimed and yes it's quite cheap. Generally speaking if you compare the price of electricity in KZK with others countries you will realize that there electricity is not expensive. This is their advantage.

About temperatures, it's arguable. It's a bit warmer than Island or Canada but it must be considered with the price of electricity they pay.

To my opinion, the price of ROCK2 tokens is maintained at a certain level....just because the team buy their own tokens below this level. So invetsors who ragequit and sell all their tokens "in one shot" are to my opinion doing a mistake.

[Calidude]

To my opinion, the price of ROCK2 tokens is maintained at a certain level....just because the team buy their own tokens below this level. So invetsors who ragequit and sell all their tokens "in one shot" are to my opinion doing a mistake.

1000 percent correct. 

[Calidude]

I feel a bit like a hypocrite because I defended this project from the start..

No need to feel like that, I was in the same boat, although I realized a lot earlier what liars they are but still I am guilty of once defending them too.

Does anyone invested in IRM actually look at the big picture and see what they are doing?

They are using fake accounts in their own Telegram to fake "interest" and "amazing returns" to investors. 

Apart from the now obvious lies they told in their whitepaper and indeed their whole project is one big lie.

They never intended to use the cave.   Got to give it to them they sucked a lot of people in, me included.

But the problem with liars/scammers is they often forget all of the topics they have lied about and are often caught out. 


By their own admission the "Lifetime Profits" are for the miners life, in 2 years time they will just say something along the lines of "We would buy some more miners BUT it is not profitable for us to do so".  Either that or they will just disappear into the sunset.


And that Idiot who said "They would never scam their names are publicly known" - Guess what dickhead, the owners of Genesis Mining and Hashflare are also well known and have stopped paying, do you see anyone taking them to Court?

People forget these middle Asian/Russian con artists are answerable to nobody and unless they upset someone on the Political spectrum they are free to scam as they please with zero chance of them being held accountable 


Something else any of you soon to be broke IRM investors should realize and start doing is watching the wallets and top 100.  Why?   Let me explain.....




Don't believe me?

Okay, I don't give a fuck but that is what they are doing, sell your tokens now dump like there is no tomorrow as someone recently did because these shysters are going to be the only ones smiling in 2 years time, they are nothing but criminals posing as a company, that is how it works these days.

When you live in an "Untouchable" shithole like they do then you do not care if your face and name is all over the internet because you know that you would rather be mega rich and be labelled a scammer than poor and a nobody. 


I feel sorry for any of the genuine investors out there who actually think they will make ANY profit from this, there is no way in hell you will even see half of your money back, all you are doing is helping them reach their ultimate goal and you will be then left scratching  your head saying, what happened. 


When Dias says "Hater's go to hell" what he is really saying is, "Anyone that can see through our bullshit, go to hell and keep silent about it".


And to prove my theory if there is another dump watch all of their fake/shill Telegram accounts say how great their order got filled, and watch how quickly it bounces back to the price it was, that is IRM buying their own tokens so they have to pay you less, not that they pay more than less now.       BTC



Oh, one last thing, I forgot, do you also see now that Dias is no longer removing posts from the ANN thread, ask yourself why?


The reason why is outlined above, they have achieved their scam perfectly and now they are just add the final touches, a video or 2 a month keeps anyone happy right?   

[Sirgids]

This is so true and am invested in them. Gosh.

[sluppy]

Did anyone get paid today for their tokens and if so how much ?

[Calidude]

Did anyone get paid today for their tokens and if so how much ?

They paid them today.  A whopping $1.40 per 1000 tokens.   

There are people dumping, which is what IRM want, then they will buy back their own tokens using ICO money and eventually there will be around a 80% IRM 20% actuall investor ratio.

Best scam ever seen this one, because they are slow scamming. 

Their whole project has been a lie from the beginning. 

Dias (posting as PeterK) is becoming unhinged on the chat and cannot help but speak like an admin even though he is pretending not to be. 

As soon as anyone says anything remotely negative PeterK (Dias) is flagging admins and they all suck up to him, it is so obvious it is laughable.

You really should join their Telegram if you want a good laugh.  They have about 3 or 4 main alt accounts that lick the IRM boots and any normal regular investors who ask something they instantly become suspicious. 

It is a laugh actually, it is like Borat meets Crypto.   


They are still paying out in their own shit token rather than ETH as promised in Whitepaper. 
They have still not created a proper dashboard or displayed any outgoing costs or their total mined amount each month.
They are still not using the cave (They never intended to this was a scam from the beginning)
They refuse to answer questions about the "free" building they were given (LOL)


On a serious note apart from the obvious lies, any genuine investors out there ask yourself this, if they are really on the up and honest, why does Dias delete every post in the main forum?
Because he does not want you to know the truth. 

Finally regarding their Telegram it has reached a pathetic state where anyone with a genuine question (That could be seen as negative) like for example "What if the power company takes back the free building?" or "What if xxx scenario happens?" they need to add at the end of the question a caveat saying something along the lines of "I trust and believe in IRM" or "IRM to the Moon" so they are not kicked or banned.  It really is pathetic. 


Dias before you delete this, little message for you - SCAMMERS GO TO HELL!!!

[OgNasty]

Best scam ever seen this one, because they are slow scamming.  

Really? It was the most obvious scam I’d seen in a while. The fact aTriz who was partnered with Lauda at the time was involved in advertising it should have been a major clue.

[marlboroza]

Best scam ever seen this one, because they are slow scamming.  

Really? It was the most obvious scam I’d seen in a while. The fact aTriz who was partnered with Lauda at the time was involved in advertising it should have been a major clue.

Very interesting post, especially when it is posted by fraudster 

This is just another proof that no one should believe strangers on internet when they are acting naive.
Anyway, investors need to learn to avoid initial coin offering for "mining farms", unfortunately, new flaw of people into this space is what is filling fraudster pockets, probably because someone introduced them to crypto telling them bedtime stories. Also ignorance

[dias.kurmanov]

LOOOOL guys.

[dias.kurmanov]

Best scam ever seen this one, because they are slow scamming.  

Really? It was the most obvious scam I’d seen in a while. The fact aTriz who was partnered with Lauda at the time was involved in advertising it should have been a major clue.

Very interesting post, especially when it is posted by fraudster 

This is just another proof that no one should believe strangers on internet when they are acting naive.
Anyway, investors need to learn to avoid initial coin offering for "mining farms", unfortunately, new flaw of people into this space is what is filling fraudster pockets, probably because someone introduced them to crypto telling them bedtime stories. Also ignorance

you made negative rate for me, look at yourself, total RED alerts in your rate, LOL

[Master of Shitcoins]

Don't believe me?

Nope! I don't believe every baseless lie I hear somewhere...

Oh, one last thing, I forgot, do you also see now that Dias is no longer removing posts from the ANN thread, ask yourself why?

The reason why is outlined above, they have achieved their scam perfectly and now they are just add the final touches, a video or 2 a month keeps anyone happy right?   

You are still repeating the same shit over and over again and this just make it more ridiculous. Everyone can see the videos on YouTube and make his own (unbiased) opinion. IRM is 100% no scam, it's legit company. But go ahead and waste your time calling them a SCAM, everyone will see it: no SCAM.
LOL

[Schliessmuskelkater]

Just like in the Subject mentioned, an admin of IRM in telegram awnsered to support my first rock2pay-token into ETH-conversion.
He also said that it is possible to switch the payout into ETH instead of Rock2Pay-tokens.

In this procedure i received some new Rock2-tokens and should send my "old" ones away.
Im a little bit sceptical and concerned if it doesnt work. And then my old working (payout in rock2pay) tokens are gone.

I am nobody who claims that IRM is a scam. But i am sceptical.
And because that my question in this forum:
- Has anyone already successfull experiences with this procedure?
- Or would someone advise me not to trade (ROCK2-Tokens(with rock2pay) into ROCK2-Tokens(with ETH-payout))?

Thx for your awnsers in advance.
(please no unfounded hatespeech against IRM, i know that payouts are low because they are not at full capacity and low crypto-prices)

Here is a telegram chat (users and dresses anonymized):

Code:

IRM-Admin: 
Hello Michael

IRM-Admin: 
Have you been able to make the conversion?

   Customer (me): 
   Thx for asking. Unfortunitaly i forgot my password for the last step. I will Look for it in the office today

IRM-Admin: 
Password for?

   Customer (me): 
   Las step for verifying the Transaktion in MEW for unlocking the json-file

IRM-Admin: 
Oh you are making use of a json file

IRM-Admin: 
To save you the stress of that for coming months

IRM-Admin: 
You can move to our eth payout rock2

IRM-Admin: 
Instead of rock2pay

   Customer (me): 
   How does it work?

IRM-Admin: 
You will receive your monthly payout directly in eth

IRM-Admin: 
Notify me when you get to your office and have access to your wallet

IRM-Admin: 
Or do you have access to your tokens now

IRM-Admin: 
So i can put you through now?

   Customer (me): 
   No at the moment i dont have access

IRM-Admin: 
Let me know when you do

IRM-Admin: 
That will be when?

   Customer (me): 
   im in the office now

IRM-Admin: 
Ok

IRM-Admin: 
I see you have been able to convert your rock2pay

IRM-Admin: 
yes. converting the rock2pay into eth worked. first i got an error (out of gas) twice but it worked anyway at the second try

IRM-Admin: 
Now lets setup your rock2 for eth payout instead of rock2pay

IRM-Admin: 
Provide your eth address

   Customer (me): 
   what do you need?

   Customer (me): 
   0x0c40...229
   is the adress where my ROCK2-Tokens are kept

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Please confirm this is your eth address

IRM-Admin: 
As i will forward the eth payout rock2 to it shortly

   Customer (me): 
   Yes 0x0c40...229 is my ETH-Account. It is connected in the ICO-Account (my login e-mail is mail@mail.de). 

   So further payouts will be in ETH instead of Rock2Pay-Tokens?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Yes in eth

   Customer (me): 
   thx a lot

IRM-Admin: 
Let me know the moment you receive the rock2

IRM-Admin: 
You should have them now

   Customer (me): 
   ok here is a transaction 2 min ago: 
   https://etherscan.io/address/0x0c40...229#tokentxns

   now i have 2 kinds of ROCK2-Tokens

IRM-Admin: 
Yes

IRM-Admin: 
You will be burning the old

IRM-Admin: 
Which gives rock2pay payout

IRM-Admin: 
Do you have your balance displayed on your wallet?

   Customer (me): 
   i see this:

   [ Screenshot of etherscan ]

   Customer (me): 
   does the burnung happen automatically?

IRM-Admin: 
Will work you through

IRM-Admin: 
Go into your wallet

IRM-Admin: 
Do you have your token balance displayed?

   Customer (me): 
   it is 1071

IRM-Admin: 
Click on it

IRM-Admin: 
Depending on the wallet you are using sorry

IRM-Admin: 
What wallet is it?

   Customer (me): 
   mist-wallet. but im not so experienced. 
   just for understanding - is a token the same as a contract?
   and at the current situation with both token-contracts would i recieve the payout twice (in ETH and rock2pay)?

IRM-Admin: 
After the burning

IRM-Admin: 
Just eth alone

IRM-Admin: 
Provide screenshot so i can circle out what to do

   Customer (me): 
   to be honest now i am a little bit frightend becaouse i dont know if the new tokens work properly. are there experiences? an if it doesnt work will i get support or get the old tokens back?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Tokens work

IRM-Admin: 
And yes we are always here to answer your queries

IRM-Admin: 
You have nothing to worry about

IRM-Admin: 
And you can always switch back too

   Customer (me): 
   ok

   Customer (me): 
   i also can use MEW

IRM-Admin: 
Ok if you are using mew

IRM-Admin: 
Sending & Adding Tokens

    Navigate to the "Send Ether & Tokens" page.
    Unlock your wallet.
    Enter the address you would like to send to in the "To Address:" field.
    Enter the amount you would like to send.
    Select which token you would like to send.
    Click "Generate Transaction".

IRM-Admin: 
A moment

IRM-Admin: 
Will generate a burning address shortly

IRM-Admin: 
0xB4D...87b

IRM-Admin: 
Gas limit 250000

   Customer (me): 
   question: when i send the tokens to an other adress, someone else gets the tokens and rewards?

IRM-Admin: 
No,that automatically activates the other token

IRM-Admin: 
So you will be getting your monthly payout in eth instead

   Customer (me): 
   i have a bad feeling about this transaction right now

   Customer (me): 
   are there discussions about this process where others prove that this works?

IRM-Admin: 
Yes

IRM-Admin: 
We have not less than 45 users presenting using our eth payout

IRM-Admin: 
If you encounter any issue

IRM-Admin: 
You can always call on us for guidance

   Customer (me): 
   ok. have i understood it correctly: at the moment ONLY the tokens (paying out in rock2pay) work. When i send them to the adress 0xB4D...87b these will get burned and after that the other ROCK2 will start paying out in ETH?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Exactly

IRM-Admin: 
Remember to set the gas limit as 250000

   Customer (me): 
   ok. i will do this when i have reinsured

   Customer (me): 
   thx for your effort

IRM-Admin: 
You are welcome

IRM-Admin: 
We will be having our snapshot shortly, the contract will be unable to decide the form of payment to disburse for November if you are holding both rock2 tokens

   Customer (me): 
   well because of that i ased the question at 5 min ago. you awnsered "Exactly" - now ur awnser is diffrent. that unsettles me

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
You are required to burn immediately you receive the eth payout rock2

IRM-Admin: 
If the tokens will payout eth? believe that was what you asked me

IRM-Admin: 
And i replied "exactly"

IRM-Admin: 
If it is not best for you. Won't suggest it

IRM-Admin: 
And eventually we will be moving all users to it if btc continues to fall more

   Customer (me): 
   first part of the question was: "at the moment ONLY the tokens (paying out in rock2pay) work".

   Customer (me): 
   ok. i will reinsure quickly. and contact you again

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Oh sorry...did not understand your question

[sluppy]

Here's how my math comes out you have 2000 miners (not yet but soon) each making 2.24 a day = 4480 usd a day your power costs are 0.7758 per miner per day so x2k = 1551.6 so that's 33.7 % gone just on power that leaves you with 2928.4 .

So lets assume that you manage to install all of them this time and get your average of 13.5 th and you keep them running for awhole month .  so 30x 2928.4 = 87852 seems like a decent amount now lets see how that looks for someone that bought your token in ICO @ what 1usd value ?

87852 devided over 15.7 million tokens that gives me the whopping return of 0.0055956687898089 usd per token per month so it will take almost 200 months to get my money back at this rate you think that's a good deal ? or am I a "hater" because I can do math ?

But that would only happen if they paid out all of that but they dont Team gets 10% remember so 13440 Usd right into the teams pocket then another 20 % for reinvestment so they dont have to pay that either they will just be "holding"it for you im sure they will get to the reinvestment part asap since they have been so quick with the first 10.000 miners they installed .. ow wait.

The power costs also dont include those great big fans they where showing off so god knows how much those things use and im sure the team paid for those out of their own pocket and didnt touch the ICO funds for those just like the remodel of that old building.
 

[Cashi]

Just like in the Subject mentioned, an admin of IRM in telegram awnsered to support my first rock2pay-token into ETH-conversion.
He also said that it is possible to switch the payout into ETH instead of Rock2Pay-tokens.

In this procedure i received some new Rock2-tokens and should send my "old" ones away.
Im a little bit sceptical and concerned if it doesnt work. And then my old working (payout in rock2pay) tokens are gone.

I am nobody who claims that IRM is a scam. But i am sceptical.
And because that my question in this forum:
- Has anyone already successfull experiences with this procedure?
- Or would someone advise me not to trade (ROCK2-Tokens(with rock2pay) into ROCK2-Tokens(with ETH-payout))?

Thx for your awnsers in advance.
(please no unfounded hatespeech against IRM, i know that payouts are low because they are not at full capacity and low crypto-prices)

Here is a telegram chat (users and dresses anonymized):

Code:

IRM-Admin: 
Hello Michael

IRM-Admin: 
Have you been able to make the conversion?

   Customer (me): 
   Thx for asking. Unfortunitaly i forgot my password for the last step. I will Look for it in the office today

IRM-Admin: 
Password for?

   Customer (me): 
   Las step for verifying the Transaktion in MEW for unlocking the json-file

IRM-Admin: 
Oh you are making use of a json file

IRM-Admin: 
To save you the stress of that for coming months

IRM-Admin: 
You can move to our eth payout rock2

IRM-Admin: 
Instead of rock2pay

   Customer (me): 
   How does it work?

IRM-Admin: 
You will receive your monthly payout directly in eth

IRM-Admin: 
Notify me when you get to your office and have access to your wallet

IRM-Admin: 
Or do you have access to your tokens now

IRM-Admin: 
So i can put you through now?

   Customer (me): 
   No at the moment i dont have access

IRM-Admin: 
Let me know when you do

IRM-Admin: 
That will be when?

   Customer (me): 
   im in the office now

IRM-Admin: 
Ok

IRM-Admin: 
I see you have been able to convert your rock2pay

IRM-Admin: 
yes. converting the rock2pay into eth worked. first i got an error (out of gas) twice but it worked anyway at the second try

IRM-Admin: 
Now lets setup your rock2 for eth payout instead of rock2pay

IRM-Admin: 
Provide your eth address

   Customer (me): 
   what do you need?

   Customer (me): 
   0x0c40...229
   is the adress where my ROCK2-Tokens are kept

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Please confirm this is your eth address

IRM-Admin: 
As i will forward the eth payout rock2 to it shortly

   Customer (me): 
   Yes 0x0c40...229 is my ETH-Account. It is connected in the ICO-Account (my login e-mail is mail@mail.de). 

   So further payouts will be in ETH instead of Rock2Pay-Tokens?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Yes in eth

   Customer (me): 
   thx a lot

IRM-Admin: 
Let me know the moment you receive the rock2

IRM-Admin: 
You should have them now

   Customer (me): 
   ok here is a transaction 2 min ago: 
   https://etherscan.io/address/0x0c40...229#tokentxns

   now i have 2 kinds of ROCK2-Tokens

IRM-Admin: 
Yes

IRM-Admin: 
You will be burning the old

IRM-Admin: 
Which gives rock2pay payout

IRM-Admin: 
Do you have your balance displayed on your wallet?

   Customer (me): 
   i see this:

   [ Screenshot of etherscan ]

   Customer (me): 
   does the burnung happen automatically?

IRM-Admin: 
Will work you through

IRM-Admin: 
Go into your wallet

IRM-Admin: 
Do you have your token balance displayed?

   Customer (me): 
   it is 1071

IRM-Admin: 
Click on it

IRM-Admin: 
Depending on the wallet you are using sorry

IRM-Admin: 
What wallet is it?

   Customer (me): 
   mist-wallet. but im not so experienced. 
   just for understanding - is a token the same as a contract?
   and at the current situation with both token-contracts would i recieve the payout twice (in ETH and rock2pay)?

IRM-Admin: 
After the burning

IRM-Admin: 
Just eth alone

IRM-Admin: 
Provide screenshot so i can circle out what to do

   Customer (me): 
   to be honest now i am a little bit frightend becaouse i dont know if the new tokens work properly. are there experiences? an if it doesnt work will i get support or get the old tokens back?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Tokens work

IRM-Admin: 
And yes we are always here to answer your queries

IRM-Admin: 
You have nothing to worry about

IRM-Admin: 
And you can always switch back too

   Customer (me): 
   ok

   Customer (me): 
   i also can use MEW

IRM-Admin: 
Ok if you are using mew

IRM-Admin: 
Sending & Adding Tokens

    Navigate to the "Send Ether & Tokens" page.
    Unlock your wallet.
    Enter the address you would like to send to in the "To Address:" field.
    Enter the amount you would like to send.
    Select which token you would like to send.
    Click "Generate Transaction".

IRM-Admin: 
A moment

IRM-Admin: 
Will generate a burning address shortly

IRM-Admin: 
0xB4D...87b

IRM-Admin: 
Gas limit 250000

   Customer (me): 
   question: when i send the tokens to an other adress, someone else gets the tokens and rewards?

IRM-Admin: 
No,that automatically activates the other token

IRM-Admin: 
So you will be getting your monthly payout in eth instead

   Customer (me): 
   i have a bad feeling about this transaction right now

   Customer (me): 
   are there discussions about this process where others prove that this works?

IRM-Admin: 
Yes

IRM-Admin: 
We have not less than 45 users presenting using our eth payout

IRM-Admin: 
If you encounter any issue

IRM-Admin: 
You can always call on us for guidance

   Customer (me): 
   ok. have i understood it correctly: at the moment ONLY the tokens (paying out in rock2pay) work. When i send them to the adress 0xB4D...87b these will get burned and after that the other ROCK2 will start paying out in ETH?

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Exactly

IRM-Admin: 
Remember to set the gas limit as 250000

   Customer (me): 
   ok. i will do this when i have reinsured

   Customer (me): 
   thx for your effort

IRM-Admin: 
You are welcome

IRM-Admin: 
We will be having our snapshot shortly, the contract will be unable to decide the form of payment to disburse for November if you are holding both rock2 tokens

   Customer (me): 
   well because of that i ased the question at 5 min ago. you awnsered "Exactly" - now ur awnser is diffrent. that unsettles me

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
You are required to burn immediately you receive the eth payout rock2

IRM-Admin: 
If the tokens will payout eth? believe that was what you asked me

IRM-Admin: 
And i replied "exactly"

IRM-Admin: 
If it is not best for you. Won't suggest it

IRM-Admin: 
And eventually we will be moving all users to it if btc continues to fall more

   Customer (me): 
   first part of the question was: "at the moment ONLY the tokens (paying out in rock2pay) work".

   Customer (me): 
   ok. i will reinsure quickly. and contact you again

IRM-Admin: 
[In reply to Customer (me)]
Oh sorry...did not understand your question

Don't send, it's Telegram scammer!!!

In Telegram are some scammers stealing other users funds. They pretend to be admins, but are using fake profiles to scam people.

You can spot telegram scammers very easily:
- check @username in pinned message. Scammers have other @usernames because of faked accounts
- IRM admins will never PM you first. If you are PMed first it is a scammer (like it happened to you)
- never send your funds to anyone if they ask and you don't know about the tricks of scammers

If you send your ROCK2 are gone. They are using fake tokens to get your legit ones. I'm 100% sure it is a scammer, but if you want you can ask for official confirmation in main chat, all communication is only in official main chat, never PM.

I am nobody who claims that IRM is a scam. But i am sceptical.
And because that my question in this forum:
- Has anyone already successfull experiences with this procedure?
- Or would someone advise me not to trade (ROCK2-Tokens(with rock2pay) into ROCK2-Tokens(with ETH-payout))?

100% SCAMMER ATTEMPT.
This procedure is 100% fake. But it's not from IRM, it's a fake account.

And you are right, IRM ist no scam, it's a real operation.  

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You are an hero  
How about prevent this Newbie from Telegram scammers and answer his questions?!  

[Schliessmuskelkater]

Don't send, it's Telegram scammer!!!

In Telegram are some scammers stealing other users funds. They pretend to be admins, but are using fake profiles to scam people.

Thx for the fast response. I have not sent ihm my real IRM tokens jet.

But this scam happened to me yesterday with my MIO-Tokens. Well... they are gone now.
Now i have to call this instructive money / educational money. I thought this is a common procedure (because this Fake-IRM-Cacht obove propared me).

I hope this thread is warning other people. If they become sceptical and find this text.
Have a nice day and be blessed, you honest people! (not you scammers ... go to hell!)

[sluppy]

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You are an hero  
How about prevent this Newbie from Telegram scammers and answer his questions?!  
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I am not on IRM Telegram nor do i take the time to read all the posts in this or their other threads my post was a mostly a copy paste what i posted in the main thread.

Also im not responcible for anyone elses actions nor am i your mommy that has to protect you from everything and edjucate you.

The warnings that i do give about projects that i assume are scams are my choice on how i spend my time so i dont appriciate the sarcasm.