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April 05, 2018, 12:13:50 AM |
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Would like to see a review from you. An illustrative example of the Coinmixer.se testing.
The configuration of the mixer:
Service fee: 1-3%
Possible payment delay: 1-24 hours
The service fee per each outgoing address: 0.0001 BTC
The number of required confirmations for order processing: 3
Order processing time after receiving the required number of confirmations: 1-75 seconds-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
This is Letter of Guarantee for the participation 106860. The CoinMixer mixing service confirms that the outputs stated bellow will be sent to you when we receive 0.00111693 BTC to address 34Fi35guntcDkBiGC6cXSHizkDAMj7xJCz.
List of the outputs
Address: 3MRbPeSM2XYcrSXGTpq5HEM3LCgSXKend7, delay: 0 hours, value: 0.001 BTC
Permanent link for the participation
https://coinmixer.se/en/bitcoin-mixing-service/participation-permalink/eyJwayI6MTA2ODYwfQ:1f3q5G:DF-OwQm4s-91cookOgUQBVbF4QA/
Date: 2018-04-04
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJaxUVuAAoJEFgge087XY5qlmwH/jSyczXTH7I6YS5FH3CcfCvB
EHPWqqrZ9w62fM3Uxk32eHnxa2l9ctqSTGCNw35DkUwVHOjb+VqxYmyZJ9vvPIQC
/svqoVQurBMjvnRyWuqWnmSwYBlWOKmLPZffrhZ+mtodDcLI2RNRujRHJ7QjFKX5
+fyYcpt/gqPhO7qCr2bcI0Yv3MCeAmxn8FSz7MikESm449N8HW6u0yJStwiPah/c
g4h7RrMXHZ2mH4vOxpucHafYm1XEzhc8IPGc5rEE86WTKo96F+OrtNIJKyLI51WX
rB1n0sV7SdwiNom3DRVXd9gV1yQ0euyGMmfKpPigx/wE47twN4xWztCZEn8QeeU=
=Po5N
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
2. Waiting for 3 to confirmations...
3. 2018-04-04 22:19:38 - the transaction received third confirmation
4. Start analysing all outgoing transactions to the bitcoin network with the following configuration of the mixer:
- all outgoing transactions between 2018-04-04 22:19:38 and 2018-04-04 22:20:53 (75 seconds after 3 confirmations)
- transactions amount from 0.0009834221 (0.00111693 - 3% - 0.0001) to 0.0010057607 (0.00111693 - 1% - 0.0001)
continue the search at intervals of 1 hour:
- all outgoing transactions between 2018-04-04 23:19:38 and 2018-04 23:20:53 (1 hour and 75 seconds, after 3 confirmations)
- transactions amount from 0.0009834221 (0.00111693 - 3% - 0.0001) to 0.0010057607 (0.00111693 - 1% - 0.0001)
etc, similarly, continue research within 24 hours.
We have found only +/- 10 matches (there are very few transactions in the bitcoin network, compared, for example, to VISA, thousands of times less; on average only 9,000 transactions per hour are confirmed in the bitcoin network, and there are EXTREMELY few that suitable for the search terms)
Finally, we do have just 3 matchs:
3HHoYFZPugZFEFThXYRwDAAsTpKbMwVCmn
3KRtFxACrKwoMoNDaZnbHNyruXPBqede2u
3MRbPeSM2XYcrSXGTpq5HEM3LCgSXKend7 (transaction time 2018-04-04 22:20:14)
Similarly, both bitmix.biz and privcoin.io are vulnerable too. It is just necessary to apply relevant config to the search.
bitmix.biz
Service fee: 0.4-4%
Possible payment delay: 1-24 hours
The service fee per each outgoing address: 0.001 BTC
Number of required confirmations for order processing: 3
Order processing time after receiving the required number of confirmations: 1-75 seconds
privcoin.io
Service fee: 0.8-3.8%
Possible payment delay: 1-24 hours
The service fee per each outgoing address: 0.0005
Number of required confirmations for order processing: 1
Order processing time after receiving the required number of confirmations: 1-75 seconds
Cryptmixer.io improved the vulnerability with payment delay and fixed miner fee BUT they are still using the vulnerable architecture. This mixer uses a pool of addresses with a large balances. That’s why it is possible to de-anonymize their coins for a low cost. |
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April 05, 2018, 03:08:01 AM |
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I would normally not interfere with the thread of another mixer but since this one makes claims about us:
We tested your tool with 3 or 4 mixes and had a 0% success rate tracking coins even when we did the most insecure mix of 0.01 BTC which was our former minimum with no time delay, minimum 0.8% fee and a single forward address. There is no chance for your tool to follow a mix that uses 2 or more addresses with a proper fee and any time delay because as an attacker you don't know how many addresses your target is going to use.
Regardless the most important thing for a mixer to do is remove a direct link between your new coins and your old. No blockchain tracing tool is going to be able to say with certainty that a suspected transaction was indeed from our mixer.
If anyone wants to test this tool on our service themselves using 2 or more addresses and a time delay and your forum rank is sufficiently high, we'll refund your fee if you notify us in advance via PM as long as you post the results of your test publicly/
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April 05, 2018, 08:39:44 AM |
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But what about tracing coins sent to multiple addresses with different delays?
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April 05, 2018, 12:39:10 PM |
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How much are your reserves and are you going to escrow some btc? By the moment our system is being tested.
We collect feedbacks from users, fix bugs, add new functionality. While testing, the pool of our system is deliberately limited to about $150,000.
After testing and before the start of the advertising campaign, we are planning to increase them significantly.
With regard to escrow service, we do not have a final solution on this matter yet. For example, Bitmixcoin has an opportunity to return all funds from escrow service at any time, and therefore we do not consider it a reliable solution...
What prevents to draw all the money and to start doing scam? - Nothing.PrivCoin: We tested your tool with 3 or 4 mixes and had a 0% success Today we have tested your system, and we see that you have changed the payment delay settings indeed.
When choosing a delay of 1 hour, it is possible to see now in the Letter of Guarantee… ‘with a delay of 65 minutes’.
Well done!
But, please do not write that you have everything worked properly until it is corrected. Don't embarrass yourself! And add a delay in minutes to the form on the JS already. I understand that this is difficult to do for the level of your site, but you try  But what about tracing coins sent to multiple addresses with different delays? In the case of using multiple addresses just [banned mixer] and bitmixer.io were vulnerable since they used the same miners fee for transfers. Altogether, it is a strange coincidence that these two systems had even the same api calls, but it's not our business...
The search algorithm is the following: find all transactions in the desired time range and not exceeding the maximum amount of payment (ie, do not take into account the minimum values), then group all transactions that have the same miner fee, and their amount is in the right range, keep the groups with 2-10 addresses (the maximum number of addresses can be less than 10; the exact number of addresses is easy to figure out) and get the correct result in almost 99% of cases.
To summarize all above written.
Almost all mixers appeared after closure of Bitmixer.io, did not think how to create something new and really anonymous, everyone wanted to repeat the experience of bitmixer.io and earn a lot of money... money ruled their minds.
None of them thought about the words of Bitmixer.io: '...now I grasped the Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book.’
We investigated, analysed, found vulnerabilities, fixed them and made a really good product finally.
The product that protects your anonymity. |
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April 05, 2018, 01:55:41 PM |
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But what about tracing coins sent to multiple addresses with different delays? In the case of using multiple addresses just [banned mixer] and bitmixer.io were vulnerable since they used the same miners fee for transfers. Altogether, it is a strange coincidence that these two systems had even the same api calls, but it's not our business...
The search algorithm is the following: find all transactions in the desired time range and not exceeding the maximum amount of payment (ie, do not take into account the minimum values), then group all transactions that have the same miner fee, and their amount is in the right range, keep the groups with 2-10 addresses (the maximum number of addresses can be less than 10; the exact number of addresses is easy to figure out) and get the correct result in almost 99% of cases.
Basing on the estimates you gave, inside of 48 hours period there are approximately 1500*6*48=432000 transactions. How come that you can analyze blockchain with 99% probability of finding outputs? It sounds like a nonsense. Obviously there are too many transaction following the pattern you described and the result of your CAE check confirms my words. I tried to put the address generated by cryptomixer, the coins were sent to 3 outputs and the output of your system was dozens of suspicious addresses. After that does it make any sense to stress this None of them thought about the words of Bitmixer.io: '...now I grasped the Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book.’
We investigated, analysed, found vulnerabilities, fixed them and made a really good product finally.
The product that protects your anonymity.[/size]
I do not say that your system is complete bullshit. You have made a lot of work and it is great. To some extent you can trace other mixers transactions. But the point is that you put too much stress in your proposals about other services work. Nothing is cracked, everything works and your service is not SO MUCH better than others. Thats the mes I want to deliver. |
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April 05, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Last edit: April 05, 2018, 07:20:28 PM by bestmixer Merited by LoyceV (1), DarkStar_ (1) |
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How come that you can analyze blockchain with 99% probability of finding outputs? It sounds like a nonsense. Dear motherhacker,
below you will find the answer to your question. Try to understand…
An example of [banned mixer] vulnerability.
During the test 3 different addresses were used with a transfer delay.
This vulnerability was fixed on April 2, 2018.
Until then, it was possible to track all their transactions using, for instance, this logical chain.
The configuration of the mixer:
Service fee: 0.25-3% (including a possible discount)
Possible payment delay: 1-24 hours
The service fee per each outgoing address: 0.0005 BTC
The number of required confirmations for order processing: 1
Order processing time after receiving the required number of confirmations: 1-75 seconds-----START SIGNING BITCOIN ADDRESS-----
1CrypMixXWtTjYGCM5ZJmyQYP1Y39P7aLM
-----END SIGNING BITCOIN ADDRESS-----
-----START LETTER OF GUARANTEE-----
We hereby confirm that WWW.[banned mixer] has generated the address 1MvwzUHw42TCVGxBTXWrhEUD1KaBMQNBoM in order to transfer incoming amount (minus fee) to the following addresses: 32% to 3CVpJFoQwBzzSHY5PzfQWmMiKwHKvG2A3d after 1 hours, 35% to 3BAprQxGYu6Mf3jfNZGYT2EGR2HqaBTFT6 after 2 hours, 33% to 3JPxNbBFX3k4F7BKMrcTd1j5mSWLEW39yz after 3 hours. This service will be only available for all bitcoins received from 2018 March 17, 11:02:42 UTC to 2018 March 18, 11:02:42 UTC with minimum amount of 0.001 BTC per single transaction and maximum amount of 354.69 BTC total. Our fee is 0.5018% + 0.0005 BTC for every target address. This letter is digitally signed by our main account: 1CrypMixXWtTjYGCM5ZJmyQYP1Y39P7aLM. Stay protected and thank you for using our service.
-----END LETTER OF GUARANTEE-----
-----START DIGITAL SIGNATURE-----
GyO1l7keihnO8QwD+IzulP2JdvpE9GPk6O98TBwXrf4hcceWGwBJJ+S8FV1lyN4O+8WKLblBtRE1yTVYZrAsgLU=
-----END DIGITAL SIGNATURE------
2. Waiting for 1 confirmation...
3. 2018-03-17 11:16:16 - the transaction received third confirmation
4. Start analysing all outgoing transactions to the bitcoin network with the following configuration of the mixer:
- all outgoing transactions between 2018-03-17 11:16:16 and 2018-03-17 11:17:31 (75 seconds after 1 confirmations)
- all transactions less than 0.0039875 (0.005 - 0.25% - (0.0005*2))
- looking for blocks bigger than 513935 and less than 514079 (6 * 24 = 144 blocks)
continue the search at intervals of 1 hour:
- all outgoing transactions between 2018-03-17 12:16:16 and 2018-03-17 12:17:31 (75 seconds after 1 confirmations)
- all transactions less than 0.0039875 (0.005 - 0.25% - (0.0005*2))
- looking for blocks bigger than 513935 and less than 514079 (6 * 24 = 144 blocks)
etc, similarly, continue research within 24 hours.
Below there is an example of a query to a database to make it visible:SELECT `address`, `fee` FROM `blockchain` WHERE
(
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 11:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 11:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 12:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 12:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 13:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 13:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 14:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 14:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 15:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 15:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 16:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 16:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 17:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 17:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 18:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 18:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 19:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 19:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 20:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 20:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 21:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 21:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 22:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 22:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-17 23:16:16' AND '2018-03-17 23:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 00:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 00:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 01:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 01:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 02:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 02:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 03:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 03:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 04:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 04:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 05:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 05:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 06:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 06:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 07:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 07:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 08:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 08:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 09:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 09:17:31' OR
`date` BETWEEN '2018-03-18 10:16:16' AND '2018-03-18 10:17:31'
)
AND `block_id` > 513935
AND `block_id` < 514079
AND `value_int` < 398750
We receive 667 addresses matching the search terms (only 667 of 216000 transactions).address | fee_int (=fee_int/100000000)
1NuCDXHVjThK9YHnBjWrdE4DrMnwFLmF1Z 2627
33ptqkUSGLzwvaQjnwZeX5MBJFEfrnXaYS 2260
1FMj7QDErotJni9dU9LUh3QawzUpAUz5A9 452
1PfLoXzfC49fRUoNtrNCUvBrFrN1RqBUYG 3350
3BhF3Aokbr2urigLZLeYdWhLSGqwo4KEnk 1130
3PD47DFTWLcNAWmARQ9cHVFVivrUTE8cF2 1130
15BPXReS41QmWB7jbw17JuU2rYhdB4NfQ7 1130
1CnBhRZfiQHiz2kuiaQ8PQMPVuW9vvqK2p 2261
18UoodPzz1fjyZyPcActLDyXAfqyWTZmVv 1130
13DNu1QAfwPTRtHg44DHsoWsN2zFVJfr96 727
12mJ3RxkXiM89Dm2Y5Zkp6P6Upgmv7UTHA 1130
1Mye95GB2nKH1zJvVXEq2SyVLwptTr5cY 1059
1Nksv8GmGJNM7eUdR4qE73aaXP5itA13SP 1130
1HfoeaaW888Ss6aXUmoVuvHbQp9WLBKsAG 727
1EtsAaGoc8vvq2XyU8QfRrWYYt778uX68A 1126
17C13AuaoXZ5VxYudsFRqhypRezcWH3Lrb 266
1MxY7AwHwFqp1JVrGFPJJsvrWHy7Sdz5Ti 1126
1Bxt1hJQCwsQTuCTUxsKpaauZHimCucmnc 1130
1Mm2DJ8RC5dEoaTA2gxtwL4W4ecQ8WnjH 452
3MXWgPiAne7ZV8mvZDL3AyDbc3AsgdzbCg 1130
1dKgVgAvXtVbK8CUbCXJJa5QBCatnNQB5 3132
16jSMwtMw1icBVXLmGyV3C8xK4a9pTfR3k 1368
1NmhsoN4oQSZWdrNbT68bzfFUgKFtzsvjV 998
1G1DDZe6M3MGB6cjAG5oEFjyuhTuXkSd8Z 998
1859TW2FpqWoWqqAr9j8JmHiyxmaLkm4Md 1130
15eoGC9J1VuEgZvBQBJnPHcuytTAsmnzGM 3366
14pnL3K9fMYsnQhRh72EjNHrALrj6AinXw 20680
1EWJiiWwfkAN6QmYYnpjzNxueUJ3ouXs86 5616
17SKDTgeQQkLioTxCzgXyZmSHLFuC4jaCp 1130
1CnvbpiLu2WygNvi65FmDjpeeVPZcPs8Q1 1130
3MXLFXv9p78N3xMtuKQwkSYH63DTShzBpb 717
1CeGqPnj2ptJKttCoV37Kdnpebs34naKkS 2244
1Ewd5yzwg4oMp2QTJFfi7hhNZ7PxrSz83w 1130
1NojucpMT9WY3qx9N2zCiCy97MYFEUvWm6 2610
1KM1u2f3k3FrMmqnaqudi8sh1tr3x3omtF 2261
1JSMN1pyVqkwYYzZFtu3skFus5RC9nJ24i 1130
14vaC7dM6AMgvnMwMDQkUtKJUrhRDSNLYF 2260
1ENwEHS7uS7kPW6SZ2sRMgJjWZ7nFYd5G2 1130
33GR2j4na2zhTPebLMXwu16C8tn3MSBJVw 8996
3Lu7mEmawQtHWAcUCo3LSw9EKrUZY643gw 2037
1ADcPZruVroAxpAgRVW2TKnRHrqoWgQxQw 1130
12U54rtNmJYnXTihfKBgQ6YqjWhxJL8LQG 1849
3JNGhNaU8njjdeGpapAKyUMmAciuV7oj6a 1130
33WRLe7NfpqNg5iENEHBMAf61SYpJ5bZti 10001
163v9WEJXSBa7saWwBXkACNGbagcuCJaXW 1130
331gcdLyt4TjGsBbWnuvm2poQb86b8wzQm 1130
3CVpJFoQwBzzSHY5PzfQWmMiKwHKvG2A3d 10001
1PfMbAajjw9EjRjJB2phCYj6XawGKe1LPj 998
1NkAEcZQSX3ELWPTLyXr7UoJZ5vjEv1qZH 1130
14QKuMXLvt2AGcUgurLebhqdRKsHaMHQ6Q 2525
1NomUBT16TV54VxNdVpe2JVuMcD6spSW6J 1130
1BqmD7qrg3QJSNd3qJboA46f3CoNrBdxDy 1130
14fjfpiYmFV411Ltsm7LY3jjLqxjw3ZzJX 727
1LVAjSjuaMtGxK6oEDXmt2jASooP3XQnkW 1126
1NTXRAZGfJaEPF4YYVioH3mia4LvdGAx5Z 1130
3JHJgqXQVWwjc4593g3oB6LXkLc1FMgTbt 10412
3NivefX58cuV1zyYRLZRUFVPkqqpUXUrzE 6480
1KAAGWgQUJLSPWjadxNZdXTLwWXxWFMPFK 6500
1NytH7LNLnDhHHadpB13RUsLczRNXcVLru 80000
1Fdone1YJqHWSJykD9hwXcrU1VsLz9kCXK 2279
1KNQEGbg7gU6kph9eJfJMeBNXGGvda2xET 1300
1K9d9vU1ift3sWkMWnrah7yU5X8FZNnECv 6048
1Jpn45Gn9LBEELBD2hwMBPirJ55djVxg29 1130
1MvZCFiCkmXdxcpKRHkwmPFRAkEEpx41rL 259
1HN9cf9SPEXxsCyCAKbQKUPSPemK4wwEBT 4999
1JX57yJo8xxrCTcnKDMq7g82WaLVmj6Eoh 40900
3KhEG94j6LWnkESAy2RanVd6kNPgmGbV7r 742
1JAwCzvRSMNLLHHu9RvfzuzvN8NshkyQp2 4090
1EjM3BdowzaC9qhMJDvatCjxN1eucowgoM 2808
1EeephibW6qFdrRfkV2g8R3cQnKS4DnPJD 1870
1HPx3HZ2Bf4nb1wERdNWrXn3DZx4yJh1Nh 1870
1FgRag69vMX5JRnH5PJXaM4XWhd3ZGqwDQ 13894
1J3S9C3aZEkpwZa5XHZkriGRfoan5rJeKw 1870
16yzZ2DSP8VoTdYo33LzEKdyGrRooBvDs9 8362
16F2w9f13ySeLxaXKs3QjnVHiPVsiycqag 2808
1UGkyBKVesvnXq5SpBnQyHzmBZjDMrBBV 1000
1LQoFioiib84iJVz3HVYct4Y92H8WJJjfo 1130
15jMXGDtgAG6KXgrXwY2RshjUdeHXnt2ZC 1130
1964TVyctL4neoFpWqVvVybK3FZ7Pa7mCR 1130
1E4CZyi72w1uYtGBe8bRSybcXKNeCWmvJa 1130
3EtszDpk8ukyyKt5r17Zkfg8WwZsRjoifj 630
19kM76BaCLJtL7MxaDWWXrPJMeirwcGV6C 1130
1F8GNFfcxZHdV1BmgnTddWNz49h2moVhMT 1651
1NUSdUkXTYfrxCP93rcckeZK3NBVyF6PAm 1900
3M46cr6vAExzDFtKqn8FaUwNZSvFfo13sB 833
16NQGzc9jbFaWg5dmVesNop5pSifQT5XJW 904
3N8BeMm8Y8h8YjYxtMZrCTrso8H478HG92 1130
3BAprQxGYu6Mf3jfNZGYT2EGR2HqaBTFT6 10001
34aKh1pBJ9RzwDmp61K5uT8mtDQdjwRz9x 10001
1DGqVWHmf5EfC1vcaddrUPp9UyTKgXprW4 2500
12H9XWVvxUv6WkCWSXW1pRtSzTabtg874w 1130
1KRXECcHgUNPwz1qJDmLD3MVEN5vNJRnd6 1870
1CtHWJmzxuGxyoYnMdhWRz5NLeA9nvehsr 8362
1JEU9qmRvk5zNRQKeDRBq2db5BTHnJWny1 5571
374oy7B7q4CPsPCvWtycBbtijbNtwmwisP 681
1EidBdbuufGa4drNJgNfqsvWp63uvJS1jw 904
18YEBVpvxbgwETbv8u9bJno1haHKM99J1d 727
1BAYeDCetXisjmbwQ2Z4u4JxvXowc8nZDp 788
37oeRzd4ECbwFEknwX9YN6GEtpfGm8vSRD 1130
19HTuK8HMU41sLMjgCVDEUj4VKTrgRXe7P 2262
1BaarPRe5E5mprdibbXarsaSHZpb2oXEQd 1356
1Nvh2RxWmYEbdxqgQA85GwC6CPNSTtsgMj 6846
1MuEQvoNuSuAqUmZ1ojuSRfaRswr67oHBo 1130
1KRGsmkbf7krzzDUXwBRFdrbxNtbvmj5pP 1356
1TuFfn17zAErHthtxocgdxjw66tnNMgtn 1126
1Gfp9sPUdn65Y6a2jLAipRsdJAKbwkKWF4 1130
3QauDj8Eq5MotFRB1w5tK3yBfZb9J7FPbL 1130
1DPGT9Vbzmg4Yv13AHy1rkLoQq4t2CKsSu 1368
3CWtReeBADkS9Rwz8sseKtkA6PsSPPErKQ 2525
157YaUvzrSmbPhSC3vAw862v3LxQqkGbw3 1130
1PMa5maxyvGNaMy7AgJ7DvG3nh1zmENYKh 7728
12FuiyAhzmPWD58WjYfjbvqEoNNfXTELZ4 3132
1But3sYYsAxsfNrwNUHYfc7jKweZ6nV9HH 1130
1nSHvvCP7nt3TpPkdiyuQAdMQDe174F83 1808
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2018-03-17 12:16:58 | 3CVpJFoQwBzzSHY5PzfQWmMiKwHKvG2A3d | 0.00111197 BTC | Fees 0.00010001 BTC
2018-03-17 13:17:10 | 3BAprQxGYu6Mf3jfNZGYT2EGR2HqaBTFT6 | 0.00121622 BTC | Fees 0.00010001 BTC
2018-03-17 14:16:59 | 3JPxNbBFX3k4F7BKMrcTd1j5mSWLEW39yz | 0.00114672 BTC | Fees 0.00010001 BTC
But if we even didn't know about the vulnerability with a fixed miner fee and just summed up all the transfers of each group, and then we chose only those transfers with higher miner fees (since you need to use the miner fee that allows the transactions are guaranteed to get into the next block), we would also find only this 1 group.
You can easily use a free service to analyze bitcoin blockchain and see all transactions: https://api.smartbit.com.au/. This service allows you to find out all transactions of any block in the bitcoin network for free.
Are you still using that mixer?
Well, we wish you good luck... |
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Also what would you say about anonimity of bitblender and [banned mixer] ? Regarding bitblender, we did not analyse this mixer in detail, and a cursory analysis revealed no vulnerabilities.
[banned mixer] has vulnerabilities according to our assessment (read above).
We also like architecture of chipmixer.io, it is really interesting implementation. The only negative is the possibility that private keys to the addresses, that they give out, remain on their servers after mixing. It is not possible to check the opposite without access to their server.Like your reviews, thank you very much for that. Chipmixer is really "modern" compared to others. Cryptomixer's only interest is profit, not anonimity because as you see they signed messages from their 2000 btc reserves which means DT members know those adresses. Btw I think currently most safe and anonymous mixers are bitblender and chipmixer. |
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Like your reviews, thank you very much for that. Chipmixer is really "modern" compared to others. Cryptomixer's only interest is profit, not anonimity because as you see they signed messages from their 2000 btc reserves which means DT members know those adresses.
Btw I think currently most safe and anonymous mixers are bitblender and chipmixer. We are planning to develop our project, to upgrade it, to add new modules for a stronger anonymization of transactions.
We understand that public trust to our project will come with time, and it is necessary to work a lot.
We are in no hurry, and we hope you will add our project to your list of trusted resources the nearest future.Coinmixer.se adds random delta (-30 minutes, +30 minutes) to the delay. When you set delay=5 hours, it is actually between 4:30 and 5:30. This attack wouldn't work.
However, you are correct when delay=0. We don't recommend mixing with zero delay (no random delta). We have tested the mixers with 3 types of settings:
1. 1 address, 0 delay
2. 1 address, several hours delay
3. 3 addresses, several hours delay
Your mixer was vulnerable with first TWO types of settings... Let's see how things are now: it's good that the blockchain is an open book.-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
This is Letter of Guarantee for the participation 107237. The CoinMixer mixing service confirms that the outputs stated bellow will be sent to you when we receive 0.00112931 BTC to address 39UXou1UEeSJwVRg1czMSWu6deAAAKRFcu.
List of the outputs
Address: 3EyXB7VynxupAq25qrVx1HNAqCpMZyEiYh, delay: 5 hours, value: 0.001 BTC
Permanent link for the participation
https://coinmixer.se/en/bitcoin-mixing-service/participation-permalink/eyJwayI6MTA3MjM3fQ:1f4CxZ:L9JbXwKR5wDh6ezL3wBVPYxbyYw/
Date: 2018-04-05
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2. The first confirmation for this transfer was received on 2018-04-05 22:16
3. 5 hours later, on 2018-04-06 03:16, your mixer has sent money to the receiving address
Where is ‘-30 minutes, + 30 minutes of random delay’? Or is it a wonderful coincidence? It seems you just changed the number of required confirmations from 3 to 1... On our opinion, your service CoinMixer.se is still vulnerable.
This test was made yesterday, and we have kept the Letters of Guarantee from earlier tests made more than two weeks ago. You have to admit that you had a vulnerability. It is unfair to your customers if you write that everything is good.
On your website it is written ‘Anonymous Bitcoin Mixer’. But could you explain how it is possible if you use CloudFlare.com as a proxy server and Jivochat.com as a support service? That means your service trusts all its traffic and customer correspondence to third parties. Think about it...
In general, the result remains the same: almost none of these services did not think about anonymity since their launching, and people still use them...
P.S. Test of BitMix.Biz showed they had fixed mentioned vulnerability. Well done. |
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Where is ‘-30 minutes, + 30 minutes of random delay’? Or is it a wonderful coincidence? It seems you just changed the number of required confirmations from 3 to 1... On our opinion, your service CoinMixer.se is still vulnerable.
CoinMixer requires 3 confirmations. The third confirmation was received on 2018-04-05 22:26:54. == > random delta was -658 seconds. We don't use Jivochat.com and most users are supposed to access our service via Tor address. Clearnet url is just for convenience (it's emphasized in our manual). Better do thorough testing before you call something vulnerable. Asking people to mix via your Cloudflare controlled website is a horrible idea. You are giving up your SSL keys to Cloudflare by doing so, allowing them to grab any information they'd like, and possibly leak it. Your How-To guide doesn't say something like AVOID OUR CLEARNET SERVICE IF YOU VALUE PRIVACY, AS CLOUDFLARE CAN SEE ALL ORDER INFORMATION Yes, you recommend using the Tor service, but I don't see any disclaimer of the weaknesses on Clearnet in regards to Cloudflare. Is it that hard to accept some downtime in exchange for better privacy, or to work out better DDoS protection? Cloudflare is USA based, where gag orders exist. It would be trivial for the NSA to gag order Cloudflare and request all of the data they handle, and the public would never know. |
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Dear Partners,
thank you for your trust in our service.
We are pleasantly surprised since the announcement of our service is not yet a month old, and people trust us already pretty big amounts for mixing.
Very likely, we were able to convey our mission and position to the community.
While our service has been tested (link to ‘Review Program’) all orders over 1 BTC was processed in semi-automatic mode.
Today we remove this limitation, and all orders will be processed in the automatic mode.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
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So, I went through BESTMIXER project and i got to know many facts about BESTMIXER i.e.
It is the only mixer which is working totally anonymous without knowing any third party. BESTMIXER is all about mixing the coins for customer point ofview with very less fee as compare to others. Obvious it is blockchain technology we have to trust them for faster transactions.
BESTMIXER is providing anonymous storage for example -- No one getting to know that you have account on any crypto wallet.
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Dear Friends,
thank you for your trust in our service.
The BestMixer is working in the operating mode.
And we are always glad to find new partners.
Sincerely Yours,
BestMixer Team.
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I am extremely disappointed! You pretended to be the best mixer which focuses on its users privacy but you are intentionally failing on that. You promise that users won't receive their own coins. So why do you move mixed coins to a new address which then will be available again to the same user. I assume you did this to offer enough mixing volume but I am using a mixing service to receive privacy and not to receive my own coins in later mixes.
With this move you let your service go down to the same level of all other mixing services which fail to offer a convenient level of privacy.
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I am extremely disappointed! You pretended to be the best mixer which focuses on its users privacy but you are intentionally failing on that. You promise that users won't receive their own coins. So why do you move mixed coins to a new address which then will be available again to the same user. I assume you did this to offer enough mixing volume but I am using a mixing service to receive privacy and not to receive my own coins in later mixes.
With this move you let your service go down to the same level of all other mixing services which fail to offer a convenient level of privacy.
Thank you for your opinion.
However, receiving of your coins back if you follow the rules of BestMixer using is absolutely impossible.
Presumably, you have used our service at least twice. And you did not use a unique BestMixer code that was assigned to your coins after the first mixing. On our site we write about the necessity of this code using: 'Application of this code ensures you will not get back your old coins when using our service in the future.' This notice exists on the small tag near the empty form for the BestMixer code on the order page.
Actually, the same information is in the FAQ section: 'You will get a unique BestMixer code after your first order. This code ensures your coin will only be mixed with other coins from BestMixer pool, but not with your coins. It is an essential part of your anonymity.'
We bring our apologies since the mandatory use of the BestMixer code in subsequent mixing seemed to you non-obvious.
Of course, this case convinced us in the need to re-draw clients' attention on the mandatory use the BestMixer code during the order procedure.
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BestMixer Team |
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I am extremely disappointed! You pretended to be the best mixer which focuses on its users privacy but you are intentionally failing on that. You promise that users won't receive their own coins. So why do you move mixed coins to a new address which then will be available again to the same user. I assume you did this to offer enough mixing volume but I am using a mixing service to receive privacy and not to receive my own coins in later mixes.
With this move you let your service go down to the same level of all other mixing services which fail to offer a convenient level of privacy.
Thank you for your opinion.
However, receiving of your coins back if you follow the rules of BestMixer using is absolutely impossible.
Presumably, you have used our service at least twice. And you did not use a unique BestMixer code that was assigned to your coins after the first mixing. On our site we write about the necessity of this code using: 'Application of this code ensures you will not get back your old coins when using our service in the future.' This notice exists on the small tag near the empty form for the BestMixer code on the order page.
Actually, the same information is in the FAQ section: 'You will get a unique BestMixer code after your first order. This code ensures your coin will only be mixed with other coins from BestMixer pool, but not with your coins. It is an essential part of your anonymity.'
We bring our apologies since the mandatory use of the BestMixer code in subsequent mixing seemed to you non-obvious.
Of course, this case convinced us in the need to re-draw clients' attention on the mandatory use the BestMixer code during the order procedure.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
I always use the same mixer code for exactly this purpose. I will contact you via PM with a Bitcoin Transaction ID as soon as I receive the same coins from an untainted address. Then we will restart this conversation.They are "best" in spreading FUD against their competition. Nothing else.
I am not affiliated with any mixing service. I critisize them for their failures. Just read my posts. |
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April 20, 2018, 06:02:50 PM |
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I have been using the same mixer code and still your system is untainting the mixed coins when you manually transfere them from one address to another. For whatever reasons you did this. Shall I send you a private message with a blockchain transaction and you may explain to me why you did that and how your system reacts? Please stop lying and searching the failures by your customers. For sure, we are interested in discussing this situation with you.
Please send to us the Letter of Guarantee here or to PM.
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April 21, 2018, 08:30:28 PM |
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I always use the same mixer code for exactly this purpose. I will contact you via PM with a Bitcoin Transaction ID as soon as I receive the same coins from an untainted address. Then we will restart this conversation. We know what you're talking about
There was a misunderstanding between us: it seemed to us that you claim that you have already received your coins back when re-mixing. But you just surmise that it will happen. Obviously, you came to this conclusion because you saw that we combined your coins with other coins. And you're assuming we did this specifically to increase our pool.
Such assumptions are incorrect.
The combined coins, you are talking about, are the combined small transactions that can no longer be used in the mixer for many reasons and mainly because of de-anonymization. Therefore, you, or anybody else, will never get back your coins from the combined coins. It is not possible since they are permanently removed from the pool and no longer participate in the mixing process. Instead, if necessary, coins with a different story from completely different sources are added to the pool.
Hopefully, this explanation is enough to solve this misunderstanding.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team |
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April 23, 2018, 01:17:54 PM |
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Okay,i got little mistake about language section,indonesia isnt melayu language,i saw indonesian flag but it said melayu,but actually melayu is malaysia and different with indonesia
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Dear Friends,
thank you for your trust in our service.
The BestMixer is working in the operating mode.
And we are always glad to find new partners.
Sincerely Yours,
BestMixer Team.
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Dear Friends,
the nearest future we expect a large update of the project where we have paid attention to your comments in Review Program.
Detailed announcement of the update is expected the nearest days.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
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