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November 13, 2014, 01:11:27 PM |
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Don't forget actionfraud.police.uk allows you to file a fraud report and doesn't require you to be in the UK.
The more people who file one the more serious this case becomes.
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retro72
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November 13, 2014, 01:38:33 PM |
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we are talking about telling bullshit to the court which could lead to a default judgement against them. anyone with a clear mind wouldnt write a defense to court which is could easily be proofed wrong by a law student 1st sem. i am not a lawyer and i couldnt find anything concerning that on the net. but there must be a clear answer to whether uk jurisdiction applies to non uk residents or not. and i am not talking about using mcol with a foreign address, which is indeed possible but being a non uk citizen.
This has been asked and answered many times. A quick google search will provide you with the answers. Alpha have stated many things in there money claim defences and as far as I know they have yet to win a case. Why people are still waiting around debating this is beyond me. |
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SimonBeCoinin
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November 13, 2014, 02:16:26 PM |
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we are talking about telling bullshit to the court which could lead to a default judgement against them. anyone with a clear mind wouldnt write a defense to court which is could easily be proofed wrong by a law student 1st sem. i am not a lawyer and i couldnt find anything concerning that on the net. but there must be a clear answer to whether uk jurisdiction applies to non uk residents or not. and i am not talking about using mcol with a foreign address, which is indeed possible but being a non uk citizen.
This has been asked and answered many times. A quick google search will provide you with the answers. Alpha have stated many things in there money claim defences and as far as I know they have yet to win a case. Why people are still waiting around debating this is beyond me. yep. inaction is their friend. pretty much their only friend, far as I can tell. |
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vesperwillow
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November 13, 2014, 03:36:45 PM |
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Maybe they did build the machines and simply let their primary investor use them. If anyone remembers, they got a large influx of cashflow back in July from a semi-well-known bitcoin investor. Then, when he's done with them, they'll be shipped out to the customers.
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SimonBeCoinin
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November 13, 2014, 03:43:45 PM |
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Maybe they did build the machines and simply let their primary investor use them. If anyone remembers, they got a large influx of cashflow back in July from a semi-well-known bitcoin investor. Then, when he's done with them, they'll be shipped out to the customers.
entirely possible. I'm leaning more towards another fookup, as they've just gone totally black. If they had progress we'd be hearing about it. if they had product they could always divert something to their whale and send something out in terms shipping volume to shut people up and they'd never know the difference. this info blackout is a bad call from their end, no matter how you slice it. can't wait to see what kind of story they come up with. who knows maybe Mushi finally cracked completely and he's out wandering the streets of Manchester talking to light poles. Have you my Vipers? No? But the mailbox told me to talk to you, the cheeky little monkey! |
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giboon29
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November 13, 2014, 03:55:17 PM |
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Does any pay by bitcoin for viper?/
Please PM to me.
Many thanks
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jrose120
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November 13, 2014, 04:14:17 PM |
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Does any pay by bitcoin for viper?/
Please PM to me.
Many thanks
Are you trying to speak English? I love questions that make zero sense. |
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giboon29
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November 13, 2014, 06:30:14 PM |
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Does any pay by bitcoin for viper?/
Please PM to me.
Many thanks
Are you trying to speak English? I love questions that make zero sense. You paid by bitcoin? I guess no.... |
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FreeJack2k2
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November 13, 2014, 07:14:19 PM |
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Freejack, where are you based? I'm in Germany and would like to chase these bastards down for every penny I sent them. I have posted stuff in threads in which you were also active (javihache was my username) and they instantly banned as soon as I criticised them. Can I contact you in private?
Regards!
Sure. I'm in the U.S. but I'm looking at possibly lawyering up with a UK-based solicitor. From what I'm told, it doesn't make any difference whether I live outside the "jurisdiction" (which is what Alpha seems to be trying to tell people) or not...they still sold me a product that they materially changed and failed to deliver on in the agreed-upon timeframe. So they're at fault, and they need to refund the full purchase price. I'm not going to let them walk away with that much money scot-free. |
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vesperwillow
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November 13, 2014, 07:31:06 PM |
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giboon, lots of folk paid by bitcoin. Just put something in your profile signature about it, you'll get more coverage that way.
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retro72
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November 13, 2014, 07:55:41 PM |
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Sure. I'm in the U.S. but I'm looking at possibly lawyering up with a UK-based solicitor. From what I'm told, it doesn't make any difference whether I live outside the "jurisdiction" (which is what Alpha seems to be trying to tell people) or not...they still sold me a product that they materially changed and failed to deliver on in the agreed-upon timeframe. So they're at fault, and they need to refund the full purchase price. I'm not going to let them walk away with that much money scot-free.
Yep. You don't have to live in the jurisdiction. All that matters is that Alpha are in the jurisdiction. I wouldn't count on that for long though. It wouldn't surprise me if Mubasher is in Pakistan already. I really don't see him hanging around fighting lawsuits until he's bankrupt. |
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brian_23452
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November 13, 2014, 09:57:17 PM |
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Freejack, where are you based? I'm in Germany and would like to chase these bastards down for every penny I sent them. I have posted stuff in threads in which you were also active (javihache was my username) and they instantly banned as soon as I criticised them. Can I contact you in private?
Regards!
Sure. I'm in the U.S. but I'm looking at possibly lawyering up with a UK-based solicitor. From what I'm told, it doesn't make any difference whether I live outside the "jurisdiction" (which is what Alpha seems to be trying to tell people) or not...they still sold me a product that they materially changed and failed to deliver on in the agreed-upon timeframe. So they're at fault, and they need to refund the full purchase price. I'm not going to let them walk away with that much money scot-free. To be honest, if you have waited this long to take action, you ALREADY let them walk away "scot-free". |
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FreeJack2k2
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November 13, 2014, 11:35:10 PM |
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To be honest, if you have waited this long to take action, you ALREADY let them walk away "scot-free".
Time will tell. Personally, I suspect they have MORE than enough money to refund what I am owed. The profit margins on this hardware are very high, though they'd like you to believe otherwise. In fact, they could probably simply sell the chips direct to another hardware maker to enable full refunds to EVERYONE. But I don't think it's their intention to do the right thing, anymore. |
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November 13, 2014, 11:52:51 PM |
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I say go after the Dad, he's still around from what I understand. He was involved when the crime was committed. Their little accounting business should be collateral damage. No way they should be allowed to be licensed accountants. Organize and make sure no one involved in this walks away without being accountable for their involvement in a massive SCHEME!
Who accredits accountants in the U.K.? I'm sure they would like to know about the massive fraud he was a part of.
Take the gloves off, go for anyone and everyone who was apart of this fraud.
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AlphaScotlandYard
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November 14, 2014, 06:09:51 AM |
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Hey Guys
Just wanted to say I received a 100% refund on my deposit. I didn't pay full amount. But did get all deposit back.
Not bragging. I hope you all get refunds.
WHAT A FUCKING PROCESS NEVER AGAIN
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fightalpha
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November 14, 2014, 07:37:02 AM |
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Hey Guys
Just wanted to say I received a 100% refund on my deposit. I didn't pay full amount. But did get all deposit back.
Not bragging. I hope you all get refunds.
WHAT A FUCKING PROCESS NEVER AGAIN
Can you provide details? A post on http://fightalpha.net would be awesomely welcomed. |
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brian_23452
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November 14, 2014, 10:07:05 AM |
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To be honest, if you have waited this long to take action, you ALREADY let them walk away "scot-free".
Time will tell. Personally, I suspect they have MORE than enough money to refund what I am owed. The profit margins on this hardware are very high, though they'd like you to believe otherwise. In fact, they could probably simply sell the chips direct to another hardware maker to enable full refunds to EVERYONE. But I don't think it's their intention to do the right thing, anymore. Doubtful, but to be honest it makes no difference. They could have all the money and you'll never see it. They're accounts for god's sake, they make their living legally hiding money and moving it around. If you think there is any money left in a legally touchable corporate account you're simply being delusional. I doubt there was EVER anything beyond the bare minimum for operational expenses in any legally touchable corporate account. In any case, most of their payments were made in bitcoin. Can you track that money to an address that you can legally prove they own, without using technical jargon that is going to be over a judges head? |
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vesperwillow
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November 14, 2014, 01:48:30 PM |
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Yeah the issue is that their family is involved in numerous businesses, all of them financial in some way. They also have numerous trusts, and you know they're smart enough to sift funds off of the books if they were planning fraudulent activities. If it wasn't their plan and this merely ended up being a horrible idea on their part, their cashflow is nearly gone if not entirely.
They took a cash investment from a semi-well-known BCT investor to create the machines, because paypal froze their money and people weren't paying. I'd also imagine at least one bank account relating to the business was frozen, based on their loss of credit processing (it's hard for a business to lose that btw). The cash was likely used up, leaving only operating funds.
I'm curious to know if PayPal still has the funds frozen. If so, then many people should be able to get their money back if PayPal's fraud department could look into this situation. My fear would be PayPal released the funds to Alpha after being duped to do so, and has since realized that there really is fraud, and they're not wanting to play nice with customers--which is why PP has been unusually uncooperative lately.
Still, more people need to contact PP using the fraud reference info which has been posted up before, and more people need to use other legal means within the UK.
Fact: Alpha has been 100% dark, with no communication for a month now, and this is after their disclosure of having chips and being days ahead of schedule, days away from shipping.
Also, bug CoinDesk. They interviewed AT back in July, show them the news updates and lack of communication. Get them to see the real picture. They may be able to interview AT again, or at least get the news out that they've tanked. This could be additional leverage that financial and legal institutions need, seeing a publication report negatively on them.
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FreeJack2k2
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November 14, 2014, 06:01:05 PM |
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Already contacted CoinDesk about it a few days ago. I don't care if they're accountants and have moved money, the law is the law and they've broken it. I will seek restitution. They're accounts for god's sake, they make their living legally hiding money and moving it around. If you think there is any money left in a legally touchable corporate account you're simply being delusional. Suggesting that victims do nothing, because these guys have accountants in the family and may have moved their money around, tells me you probably haven't lost any money to this venture. |
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alexfgT
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November 14, 2014, 09:41:53 PM |
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It would be great if someone found mumbashera, and applied violence governmental action to it, a broken arm or leg, you can knock out teeth, and keep it until he returned the money. I think this is the only solution to find him and give pussy. All courts and other is full of shit.
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