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March 19, 2018, 12:00:16 AM
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Hi,

After reading up on the lightning network it would seem this will make Bitcoin price go bullish again.

Just thought I would start a discussion to see what the community thoughts on this are??
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March 19, 2018, 12:09:11 AM
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LN is not the be all end solution. its not going to deliver as expected and its not as unlimited/easy cheap headache free as people over promote.

yea there will be some speculation if all you care about is a price spike. but when it comes to utility, LN will only be worthy for a certain niche amount of users. and once people start to se its limitations and the over promises.. the debates will circle again hoping for the next big thing that promises real utility.

but first people really need to understand the function, the usefulness and the limitations of LN. and not just the reddit overpromise propaganda adverts of hype and utopian dreams

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March 19, 2018, 12:11:54 AM
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Most people are experiencing panic selling, but bitcoin will soon recover and back again bertuncaknya price, lightning network will bring better bitcoin.

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March 19, 2018, 12:32:05 AM
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but when it comes to utility, LN will only be worthy for a certain niche amount of users

Only in the short term.  The earliest versions of Bitcoin itself were only practical for niche users.  There wasn't always the number of user-friendly clients we currently have available.  Right now, it just has to be secure.  All the stuff that makes it simple to use will come later.  Lightning was never going to be an overnight, instantaneous thing.  It's certainly not going to deliver any unrealistic expectations of mass adoption right away.  But, given time, it may prove more useful than you realise.

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March 19, 2018, 01:09:13 AM
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but when it comes to utility, LN will only be worthy for a certain niche amount of users

Only in the short term.  The earliest versions of Bitcoin itself were only practical for niche users.  There wasn't always the number of user-friendly clients we currently have available.  Right now, it just has to be secure.  All the stuff that makes it simple to use will come later.  Lightning was never going to be an overnight, instantaneous thing.  It's certainly not going to deliver any unrealistic expectations of mass adoption right away.  But, given time, it may prove more useful than you realise.

im several steps ahead of the understanding of LN.. ran scenarios. and the hop/route model has issues. once you understand the whole multisig part of it and then realise the magnitude of channels required just to get 1 million people connected and then realise its not like users can have just 1 payment deposit (channel open) you start to realise people need to pump alot of funds in. and dilute their spendability between each of those channels

then with people limiting how much of THEIR funds they allow to use for the 'lending' process of the hop concept. again this limits utility

its worth you running scenarios of long term real world utility. because right now. LN devs are just looking at will ONE payment get from source to destination without a bug.

they are not really at the point of thinking about real world usage between many people with different life circumstances, spending habits, spendability

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March 19, 2018, 10:49:38 AM
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im several steps ahead of the understanding of LN.. ran scenarios. and the hop/route model has issues. once you understand the whole multisig part of it and then realise the magnitude of channels required just to get 1 million people connected and then realise its not like users can have just 1 payment deposit (channel open) you start to realise people need to pump alot of funds in. and dilute their spendability between each of those channels

then with people limiting how much of THEIR funds they allow to use for the 'lending' process of the hop concept. again this limits utility

its worth you running scenarios of long term real world utility. because right now. LN devs are just looking at will ONE payment get from source to destination without a bug.

they are not really at the point of thinking about real world usage between many people with different life circumstances, spending habits, spendability

All three dev teams are looking at ways to optimise and improve the route/hop model, batching transactions, atomic multi-path, etc.  It's only going to get better as time goes on.  It is perfectly fair to say, though, that the more channels you happen to have open at any given time, the more utility you'll gain from it.  But it's fair to assume that people will generally prioritise LN usage with the people or companies they most often transact with and just have channels open with them.  Then, all of those transactions being off-chain clears more space in blocks for when you need to send/receive a regular on-chain transaction to/from someone you've never dealt with before.  It's by no means the end of the scaling issue, but it will definitely help.

Plus, if Lightning gives us the option to hop to another blockchain via ACCT, we can potentially have a few different security levels for our transactions using other coins that support Lightning.  Litecoin will almost certainly be on board, so if I want to send a large, valuable transaction, I'll use BTC, for medium amounts and values, I could potentially choose to send LTC, with both the recipient and I confident in the knowledge they can exchange it for BTC again later without sending funds to a centralised exchange.  There will probably even be coins better suited for small amounts which support Lightning.  That all helps with scalability too.  In time, Lightning will effectively knit the entire crypto-verse together, making every worthwhile blockchain completely interoperable and fungible, while also still being completely permissionless.  Does that level of promise and potential not excite you?  

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March 19, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
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yes it should affect the growth of bitcoin
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March 19, 2018, 12:16:21 PM
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Hi,

After reading up on the lightning network it would seem this will make Bitcoin price go bullish again.

Just thought I would start a discussion to see what the community thoughts on this are??

The lightning network can no longer influence people and the market of bitcoin. Lightning network is already an old news and people are already doubtful to the price of bitcoin in fear that additional price drop will occur. Also we do not need a bullish rise in bitcoins value only to end up in a bubble exploding. What we want is a normal increase in value to the increasing number of people who demands to buy bitcoin.
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