Your police reports needed. Patrick Strateman - Buddy wants his Bitcoins.

[icicle]

[EDITED TO ADD - Short version: I bought 52 Bitcoins years ago, from Intersango and forgot about them, leaving them on the server. Because I'm an idiot, that's why.  When I found out how much bitcoins were now worth, I thought I'd use them to rescue a sick dog called 'Buddy' from a shelter and get him an operation to fix his heart blockage.

What I didn't know was that Patrick Strateman AKA Patrick Moseley, Carole Strateman and Amir Taaki had other plans for my money and would remove access to my account and keep my 52 bitcoins. I had not been following the various Bitcoinica thefts.

HOW YOU CAN HELP.

When you run into these three, in person, online, in jail, wherever - could you please remind them of the little dog who will die without his heart operation and ask them if they have handed Buddy his bitcoins back yet?

FAQ

Q. The little shit stole my coins too, help!!
A. California's seizure laws are your friend.

Q.Huh?
A. Bitcoins are property. Property in possession of a crook as a result of organized crime is subject to seizure and return to the rightful owner and the law says nothing about that rightful owner being a Yank.

Q. Organized crime. WTF?
A. Yes. But I am not about to rehearse the entire prosection in public so you'll have to take my word for it.

Q. Prosecution? How can I help?
A. Report the matter to your local police, get a crime number or whatever reference your jurisdiction has that proves a report has been made. Emphasize your 'property'. Use that word a lot. Keep a copy of that report.

Q. How will that help when the little shit is in San Francisco?
A. And his mom. You forgot his mom. What he lives with. In a few weeks you can ask your local police to forward a copy of your crime report to contact details I will provide.

Q. Why can't I do that right now?
A. You can. You can speak to Officer Gomez at Ingleside, but there are three people there dealing with a lot of fraud and a specialist investigator will be assigned to us shortly. I think we should all hold off on the paperwork in San Francisco till then, but file locally right now.

Q. I am coming late to this thread as I thought my coins were gone. Am I too late?
A. No. I will always leave a breadcrumb trail for you to follow. Even if Strateman sends me my bitcoins right now and I drop the complaint.

Q. Can you guarantee I will get my coins back?
A. No. But if you don't report it I can guarantee that you will never see your property again. If they still exist I think, in the end, you will get them back.

Q. What's the consolation prize if I don't?
A. You get to see Strateman and his mom, and that wanker Taaki go to jail.

Q. How much will all this cost?
A. As much or as little as you like. I intend to give evidence in person with my daughter, but there are other ways of introducing evidence. At some point you might need to swear in a document, get your signature witnessed etc.. These are minor expenses.

Q. Why didn't you join the lawsuit.
A. They saw me coming the once already.



- Alexandra and Buddy the Dog]



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Hi Patrick, it has been days now and I've heard nothing. You know about the dog, right?

He hasn't got long. Soon his heart and brain will be permanently damaged.

Why couldn't you have just sent me a email long ago when you decided you wanted photo ID? Huh? If my dog dies because I am locked out of my Intersango account - well bitcoin scandals are ten a penny, but this is the sort of disgrace that follows a person around for life.

I promised to take care of him and get him the operation necessary to save his life. You've locked me out of my account, and vanished, so I can't do that. Then there is my daughter. She is six years old. She loves Buddy. She knows he is supposed to have the angioplasty because he is very sick and if he dies without having it, because you locked me out of my account with no warning whatsoever, then vanished, you can explain it to her.

Because I don't know how.

Then there is the shelter I got him from. I promised faithfully I would take care of that little dog and get him the treatment he needed. It was the reason they gave him to me and they take these things seriously.

Not looking forward to that call either, but I'm making it tomorrow. If you don't want to speak to me, you can speak to Mike instead.

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[icicle]

Buddy the dog made a video, begging for his life.

http://youtu.be/ZnfPH6zQbXo

[tvbcof]

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She knows he is supposed to have the angioplasty because he is very sick and if he dies without having it, because you locked me out of my account with no warning whatsoever, then vanished, you can explain it to her.

Because I don't know how.
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I don't want to be a total dick, but have you considered the 'doggy heaven' one?  This is the kind of issue that people face every day and for all kinds of reasons.

This is not a comment on the culpability or general trustworthiness of Strateman.  I'd have no difficulty believing that he's completely untrustworthy.  He comes across as the worlds biggest douche on IRC, and is directly involved with some pretty massive monetary losses in the ecosystem over the years.

[icicle]

Hi Tv,

Well, I'm new to this children stuff, though I'd be inclined to tell her the truth.

Yeah, doggy heaven, sure, it is how exactly he got there I'm going to have a problem with. Anna knows we got the dog specifically to spend thousands on him and fix his heart. We could have had a fit dog. We chose that one because I knew there was a new operation that could fix him, and I knew no-one else was going to rescue him and spend all that money, and I knew that I had a small fortune in bitcoins I could use to do it.

I decided to get the dog for my daughter and show her how to solve these kinds of medical issues because major problem-solving is one of my teaching priorities, and medicine too should be taught just like English and Math I think.

Unfortunately Strateman swiped the money.

Yes, he did. See below.

There is plenty of time for her to get acquainted with pure evil when she is older. Six is a little young to see your dog killed by a sociopath, I'm thinking.

What's the alternative? Let her think I broke my promise to save her dog? There is a special seat in Hell reserved for people who break promises to children.


[Rest of this deleted as Patrick got the message and I don't want to cause innocent bystanders emotional trauma]

[icicle]

We got a message in return!

Metaphorically speaking, it said..

"I'll get you and your lil' dawg too!"


Patrick Strateman you slipped up.

Furthermore, on what planet do you think you can blame some oriental conman and expect the judge to believe you didn't plan the heist with him then flagrantly and openly steal someone's money, knowing you will cause the death of a little girl's dog?

I also know Judge Lee is not one to let, hmmm.. not sure how to say this without it sounding like I am accusing the Honorable Judge of something nefarious - which is not my intention - well let us say that I have been in many courtrooms over the decades, and not once have I ever seen an actual case of actual 'justice'. Many lawyers could sadly say the same.

If what I have heard about Judge Cynthia Lee is true, I think it is safe to say that Justice makes some regular appearances in her courtroom, jury or no jury.

It is just a shame the price of it is the life of my beautiful Buddy and the tears of a little girl.

[Tomatocage]

Nothing will happen to Patrick Strateman 

[KingOfSports]

This makes me really sad to read. How much does the procedure cost? If only a couple hundred USE worth I could loan or try n help out with this. I love animals and reading this story breaks my heart.

[icicle]

Oh King, thank you Sweetie but its thousands of dollars. It is a very special balloon that goes in via a catheter then gets expanded. It has tiny, incredibly sharp blades that cut the obstruction and I don't think many are made and the ones that are, are made to a very high standard. Then a regular ballon goes in and all the time you have to make sure the heart isn't starved of blood for more than a few seconds. It is complicated, and it is dangerous, therefore expensive.

Then these dogs.. Well it is difficult to sedate them. Everything is ten times harder. You could save 50 dogs from the pound for what saving just this one would cost.

I will do what I can with beta blockers and anti-fibrotic herbs and keep the poor doggy as sleepy as I can - which is hard as he always wants to run round. Strateman will give me my money, it is just that in the absence of another member of his species, he has fixated on me to give him his ass kicking first.

And Tomato?

Stick around dude. Sometimes it takes a while, but I can assure you that something will indeed happen to Patrick Strateman. This little dog's death will be haunting him for the rest of his negligible, miserable life. He might not care right now, but perhaps one day as his ass rots in jail and he has a lot of time on his hands to think, he will eventually realize what it is he has really done and come to the saddest conclusion one can come to in life, that it is too late.

He once killed a little girl's dog out of spite and greed.

[icicle]

In case you missed that, Amir, it was me asking you to strap on a pair.

[Magazine]

What actually happened?

[icicle]

What actually happened was an Intersango customer, me, having the nerve to ask to be let back into her account urgently when locked out of it without notice - and his Royal L33tness Patrick 'Sheldon Cooper' Strateman deciding the said customer hadn't been showing the required degree of deference for him to honor his actual social and legal obligations.

Wanting her bitcoins??? In a hurry?? Outrageous!

In his mind it looked like I was trying to tell him what to do, and he is showing me he will not be told what to do - by witholding access to bitcoins he knows I need to save my dog's life. He thinks killing a dog will prove what a big man he is. Plus he gets to keep my $10k and make a little girl cry.

Well, you wanted to know what happened. Just some greedy freak on a power trip.

And meanwhile Kuthrapali Taaki there, someone you would think would have some kind of control over either the server, or his business partner, thinks he is in hiding.

Bless.

I found Taaki in minutes, and Norman in an evening. I don't need to find Strateman, they have him already, and killing my little girl's pet out of what I can prove is spite - will guarantee the punitive damages awarded against him in the Bitcoinica case will be sufficient that he will now spend the rest of his life, effectively, as a slave.

If it wasn't for the loss of my precious Buddy, I'd say $10,000 to see that happen is a bargain.

From what I have seen of the evidence filed, there wasn't much proving Strateman's malicious intent towards his customers - although it is being specifically pleaded and some amusing evidence was snuck in. Unless they have a lot more in reserve it was a bit iffy though. There was a good chance the hacker story would have held up in front of the jury.

Not a snowball's chance of that if they see my support ticket screen shots and a few leaked emails.

Then a charming video of Buddy's eager little face running round the garden all happy and safe with the little girl who loves him..

..before having a pile of powder poured out in front of their eyes without a word.

That's how I'd play it. One minute watching a happy little dog, all bouncy, the next minute a pile of powdery dirt in front of them with no explanation, and gradually, one by one can you imagine the horror as each person realizes what the pile is?  

And then they turn to look at Strateman..

No big mystery to him. To him its ten thousand dollars.



Now, can anyone tell me, via i c e m a i d e n 0 7 a t g m a i l how they think Strateman is funding his legal defense? I am also interested in Donald Elliot Norman's birthplace.

[btcx]

What actually happened was an Intersango customer, me, having the nerve to ask to be let back into her account urgently when locked out of it without notice - and his Royal L33tness Patrick 'Sheldon Cooper' Strateman deciding the said customer hadn't been showing the required degree of deference for him to honor his actual social and legal obligations.

Wanting her bitcoins??? In a hurry?? Outrageous!

In his mind it looked like I was trying to tell him what to do, and he is showing me he will not be told what to do - by witholding access to bitcoins he knows I need to save my dog's life. He thinks killing a dog will prove what a big man he is. Plus he gets to keep my $10k and make a little girl cry.

Well, you wanted to know what happened. Just some freak on a power trip.

And meanwhile Kuthrapali Taaki there, someone you would think would have some kind of control over either the server, or his business partner, thinks he is in hiding.

Bless.

I found Taaki in minutes, and Norman in an evening. I don't need to find Strateman, they have him already, and killing my little girl's pet out of what I can prove is spite - will guarantee the punitive damages awarded against him in the Bitcoinica case will be sufficient that he will now spend the rest of his life, effectively, as a slave.

If it wasn't for the loss of my precious Buddy, I'd say $10,000 to see that happen is a bargain.

From what I have seen of the evidence filed, there wasn't much proving Strateman's malicious intent towards his customers - although it is being specifically pleaded and some amusing evidence was snuck in. Unless they have a lot more in reserve it was a bit iffy though. There was a good chance the hacker story would have held up in front of the jury.

Not a snowball's chance of that if they see Buddy's trusting little face, my support ticket screen shots, the vet records and a few leaked emails.

Now, can anyone tell me, via i c e m a i d e n 0 7 a t g m a i l how they think Strateman is funding his legal defense? I am also interested in Donald Elliot Norman's birthplace.

According to Patrick's mother, the lawfirm she works at (in some admin/secretarial capacity) has offered its services to defend Patrick at a discount.  Patrick's mother is helping him with the bills.  In fact, when she asked plaintiffs in California to drop the case against Patrick, she also asked that Patrick be reimbursed for his legal fees.  Patrick may very well be playing the pauper while sitting on a gigantic pile of bitcoin, just waiting for the storm to blow over so he can cash out.  A lot of people have had their lives ruined by the antics of Amir, Donald and Patrick.  Unfortunately, the demonstrably insane tend to get off lightly.  Zhou Tong, who many still believe to have played a role in at least one of the Bitcoinica thefts has started another company taking bitcoin deposits.  Amir is back putting on conferences and has reengaged with the community.  People have forgotten.

[icicle]

Ah... that's the same Jamie Strateman?

I did wonder why telling the little toe-rag's mother didn't work this time. First time ever that failed.

Thank you!!!

And furthermore..

duh!

Here is me, supposedly a savant at remembering everything I read and I didn't notice the law firm's name was the same.

In my defense, I was never very good at nouns.

I'm going to sulk in the bath for the rest of the night now, in deep, deep shame..

I was thinking, I would be devastated by the loss of Buddy, but given the present value of Bitcoins, I am thinking many of you have lost just as much. Medical treatment for elderly relatives you should have been able to afford. Raising your children somewhere nice. Time off scratching a living to be with those you love.

Do I get the feeling you have all given up?? Bah! The Youth of today. No stamina, that's your problem.

Never give up. There is always a way. These little toe-rags slip up all the time and the fun is just about to begin.

You have all more than earned your fun.

[Xian01]

This thread made me sad sorry to hear about your dog and the bullshit you are going through.

[ninjarobot]

These little toe-rags slip up all the time and the fun is just about to begin.

I hope you are right, that truth comes to light, justice is served, and Buddy is saved!

[BitOrca]

Some people in this world make me sick.  I hope karma sorts this guy out.

[icicle]

And there's this by Phinneaus Gage, which is something I've had in mind for a day or two..

My best guess all along, again no real proof, and it was touched on a few posts up, is that this is/was a long con, started just before Bitcoin fully came onto the scene.

Well yeah. And perhaps before.

I was having trouble deciding who I believed in less. A relic collecting Chinese multi-millionaire, a reclusive Japanese-named English-sounding mathematician who gifts his brainchild to the world then modestly and conveniently vanishes, or Santa?

IIRC, I've seen some evidence of Santa on Christmas mornings.

Perhaps, if I don't get my bitcoins any minute now, I shall go looking for Nakamoto-San, so desu ne?

Nakamoto-San, doko desu ka? Anata wa Icicle desu..

[icicle]

OK. He's real. And far too old and sensible to be involved in this.

Strateman, you need to actually open emails from your lawyer from time to time. Or get your mommy to open them for you. One of them contains yet another copy of my passport scan!

Buddy didn't have a good day.

[icicle]

I have an outraged and very upset Donald Norman in my inbox. We had some very nice social back and forth while he got around to asking for the screenshots. All of them mind. I wasn't to miss out a single one. It was most important I handed him all the evidence. When I sent screenshots of the support tickets he was all hurt, and bewildered, and stuff.

Yeah, and like the Bitcoinica customers - I know that feeling.

I shall spare his blushes, by posting only my reply, which is here instead of being sent to him as quite a few people need to hear this. He is quite upset I am calling Patrick a 'scammer and a thief' in this thread, he says.

Well, I'm tending more towards Big Sulking Baby actually, and 'dog killer'.

My reply..


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First of all Donald, you should be aware that this is the second time this has happened.

Last time it took me three months to get back in my account.

This is why, when, quite unexpectedly, I could not log in to download my bitcoins, I was FRANTIC!

Three months again? Can't be done. And the only reason I got back in inside three months last time was because I said I would tell people's mums if I didn't get back in.

You must remember that I had no idea at all about what had been going on with Bitcoinica. I don't sit staring at my bitcoins like a lovestruck puppy. I only knew that my login or password had been changed on what was, as far as I knew, just a trading account. There was no error message either beyond 'login failed' so I thought I had been the victim of an ID theft.

As you can see, I let support (who I soon found out was a person called Patrick Strateman) know how urgent it was. As you can see by him closing the duplicate ticket that had a fuller explanation about the dog on it - Patrick SAW how urgent it was. If, as you are claiming Donald, Patrick managed to close the duplicate ticket and still not know about the dog..

HOW ON EARTH DID HE KNOW IT WAS A DUPLICATE TICKET UNLESS HE READ WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON IT?

I emailed Patrick at the support address and at his gmail address. Zilch. I told Patrick's Mom how urgent it was and got zip. I told Amir how urgent it was and he contacted Patrick's mom and still Diddly-Squat. I told Patrick's lawyer how urgent it was and Patrick didn't even open the bloody email.

Patrick sat on his Royal Behind. If that isn't a fuck you I don't know what is, and we all know he has form for it.

Yes. You are correct. I am sure he will be, or was, very surprised indeed to see how angry I am. That is what happens to people who go round thinking the rest of the planet should cover their avoidant posteriors for them. They are often surprised.

Not my fault.

I am tired of being treated like your lack of forethought is my fault. It is not my fault, it is not any of your customers' faults, and if you think you can go round locking people away from their own goods and chattels because you failed to see through Zhou 'ooh it seems the nasty widdle hacker deleted the cloud backup' 'ooh it seems we must have bought expensive bitcoins'Tong you can think again.

[Edited Nov to add - and now I think Patrick 'Steve_bobs' Strateman might have been in on the hacks from the moment he realised Bitcoinica wasn't as profitable as Zhou Tong had promised, despite plainly hating him. This is why law enforcement was never called in.]

It isn't like the hack happened yesterday or last week. This is October, and you have had offers of help to sort it out on this very forum. Indeed I have a pretty good idea it wasn't a real hack at all and the coins were only taken to cover up the destruction of the customer records. Ask yourself why that might have been necessary. I'll tell you now I think it was it due to the delay in getting a certified copy of Strateman's passport and thus signing the contract. Someone saw you coming and expected to be well away by the time you found out about it.

Again, not my fault.

Donald, it is a universal principle in civilized society that you do not deprive people of their property unless a judge says you can. Patrick deprived me of mine when he locked me out of my account. He would have had any reasonable person's permission to do that for security purposes, but those permissions become null and void shortly after he gets or should have gotten the ID he requests. I told him it would be arriving that same day, which it did - and in any case he could have emailed me at any point in the past few weeks or months or years and said "Hey, I'd like some photo ID please" and he would have got it. He didn't have to lock me out of my account and leave me to find out for myself during a dire emergency then sit on his backside whistling Dixie.

And yes, I looked you up. Hunted you down, whatever. No need to be scared about it. I shall not tell anyone what I found or, more to the point, what I didn't find - but I FIND things Donald. How do you think I do it? I don't do it by pussyfooting around and certainly not when there is a life at stake. If Intersango was fit for the purpose, I wouldn't have had to find you, would I? And then you wouldn't be whining about how I went about doing it, would you?

You expect me to contact you via the usual routes? And how in heaven's name am I supposed to know what those are when I never heard of you before? You are not a rock star and I am not your groupie. For the record, I am a customer of a company you used to be a director of who has a dog that will die and a daughter who will be heartbroken if his Highness there doesn't honor the agreement he made with me.

Now please get over the feeling the rest of creation is supposed to even know who you are, let alone bail you all out. Send your customers their own bitcoins, and you will be surprised how fast everyone loses interest. If you feel you can't send them out yet, then get them into cold storage today. Then get help from trusted members of this forum with the processing. Who is going to sue someone with no money if 1) you have no money 2) your customers have 90% of what they were suing you for in the first place?

And this might come as news to you Donald, but Intersango's inability to organise a proverbial piss-up in a brewery is, oddly enough, not best solved by the customer 'applying for a loan' somewhere.

[drawingthesun]

Ah more about Patrick Strateman and Amir. These people are sick and disgusting. Why is Amir being allowed into Bitcoin conferences? If I knew of a conference that let this guy in I would tell the entire community to shun the organizers.

Amir and Patrick have ruined so many lives in Bitcoin.

To anyone in Bitcoin that entertains, hangs out with or accepts either of these demons, please get lost! Understand these people are evil and need to get the message they are no longer welcome in this community.

To the OP, I doubt you will get anything from them, you are asking thieves, people with no ethics and only out for themselves for your property back. I am so sorry.

You all need to understand people like this, they will destroy a million lives just to better their own by 1%, people like this are a drain on society and we must reject them.