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August 19, 2018, 02:38:22 AM
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The claimed hashrate isn't supported by the available bandwidth of the memory they're using. Their design shows they are using dual DDR4 SO-DIMMs, so if we assume they are using the fastest SO-DIMMs available (eg. GSkill displayed their fastest kits at Computex 2018: DDR4-4200 SO-DIMMs, http://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-showcases-extreme-ddr4-memory-kits-up-to-ddr4-5066mhz-at-computex-2018 ), then this "router-miner" design would have a 128-bit wide memory bus (ie. dual 64-bit bus SO-DIMMs) at 4.2 GHz data pin speeds. This would give them an effective bandwidth of around 67.2 GB/s.

Since a single ETH hash samples 8192 bytes from the DAG (ie. 64-iteration loop of 128 bytes per iteration), then the 67.2 GB/s bandwidth would give a theoretical, zero-latency hashrate of around ~8.2 MH/s. Pretty far off from the claimed 21 MH/s.

The alternative approach of storing just the much smaller light-DAG in the FPGA block RAM and generating the full DAG entries during the ETH sampling loop by brute-force/"on-the-fly" would require around ~11 INT32 TOP/s processing capability (ie. 256K FNV operations or equivalently 512K INT32 operations per ETH hash) for the claimed 21 MH/s hashrate. The FPGA series they are using (Zynq Ultrascale+, https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/selection-guides/zynq-ultrascale-plus-product-selection-guide.pdf ) has at most around 1.1M logic cells and 1.9K DSP slices. By comparison, the much larger Virtex Ultrascale+ VU9P (as used on the VCU1525 and the mining BCU1525 card) has 2.5M logic cells and 6.8K DSP slices and is rated at around ~5.3 INT32 TOP/s (https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/selection-guides/ultrascale-plus-fpga-product-selection-guide.pdf ). Still under the ~11 INT32 TOP/s needed to brute-force DAG entry generation "on-the-fly".

So whether via DAG sampling from the DDR4-SODIMM, or alternatively via brute-force DAG entry generation, it would seem that this "miner-router" doesn't have the specs to do 21 MH/s for ETH.
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August 19, 2018, 02:40:55 AM
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Watch a few months from now Charter and Comcast both start telling their customers they need to upgrade to their new all in one modem / router.  And inside is an FPGA which your ISP uses to mine crypto while you float the power bill, and all without ever telling you.
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August 19, 2018, 08:09:07 AM
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Watch a few months from now Charter and Comcast both start telling their customers they need to upgrade to their new all in one modem / router.  And inside is an FPGA which your ISP uses to mine crypto while you float the power bill, and all without ever telling you.

For legal reasons they wouldn't do that.

However if you think about it, it would be great because it would make ETH very decentralized if it was in many thousands of households like that.

So if the customer would get some $ off for their electrical bill, it would be a win/win for everybody.

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August 19, 2018, 09:40:48 AM
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If something sounds too good to be true it ussually isn't. If they were really onto something that big they would keep it to themselves and make millions from mining.

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August 19, 2018, 05:54:39 PM
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A technical specification of this router looks good. It can achieve such a speed. But I’m not sure in such power consumption.
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August 20, 2018, 03:20:46 AM
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Neither the specs for the DDR4 SO-DIMM memory bandwidth nor the INT32 TOPS for the Zynq series would appear to support the claimed 21 MH/s ETH hashrate, either via direct DAG sampling or via light-DAG based full entry on-the-fly generation.

How else do you see their specs attaining 21 MH/s in ETH ?
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August 20, 2018, 06:22:38 PM
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Watch a few months from now Charter and Comcast both start telling their customers they need to upgrade to their new all in one modem / router.  And inside is an FPGA which your ISP uses to mine crypto while you float the power bill, and all without ever telling you.
See this is what I was thinking. Since "Cloud" has been the big buzzword for years now and everyone has all of their products "cloud ready/enabled/integrated/marketing BS" I assumed this is the next logical step of this continued BS by now "blockchaining" all their stupid products..

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