Red trust ON/OFF !!!

[ghost15]

Hi Bitcointalk members and moderators;

before talking about my case, I will sign a message to confirm that I still control this account and this since my regestration in this forum in 05 05 2016.

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Message:Today 03 24 2018, I sign this message to confirm the ownership of this sccount: Ghost15.
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let some one do that for my adresse. thanks

Adresse: 1JagYgvvqPzPPXKW9Dzf4uofRTHyJyfGVM
Message: I'm ghost15 un bitcointalk.org
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so my case is that I received a negative truste and this was in less than a month of my entry into this forum exactly on the 2016-06-07 due to a participation in a BCT account sale auction without intending to buy an account; my intention was to discourage the seller, but I am not here to justify my intention or whatsoever.

I am here because the one who put me this negative trust was a simple member like most of the people of this forum and it didn't affect my account now this member has had DT status since 2016-08-22, but that didn't affect my account until I became Sr. Member.
but what I find strange is that a few days ago I was in red trust then become neutral trust and now again I become in red trust, I wonder if there is an option to turn on the trust effect and turn it off after or it's just me who sees it as well!.

the person who pointed my account is The Pharmacist, so thank you for helping me or at least giving me explanations

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[o_e_l_e_o]

without intending to buy an account

0.025BTC for senior account

[seven2smoke1]

I don't think that there is an option to turn on/off the trusty effect as you said. All that changes depend on The Pharmacist trust, I am sure when he becomes DT member, the neg trust shown red in your profile, It showing for everyone includes you. By the way, I don't think he will remove it, because accounts sales encourage scams activities.

[ghost15]

without intending to buy an account

0.025BTC for senior account

it was pproximately $ 10 at that time.

[ghost15]

I don't think that there is an option to turn on/off the trusty effect as you said. All that changes depend on The Pharmacist trust, I am sure when he becomes DT member, the neg trust shown red in your profile, It showing for everyone includes you. By the way, I don't think he will remove it, because accounts sales encourage scams activities.

thank you for your reply here but as I just said; there are less than 3 days I was in neutral trust for at least 3 week and month ago in red trust and also now I'm in red trust.

[TryNinja]

Your account is marked with red because The Pharmacist is a DT user. And since you (and the majority of users) have the DefaultTrust in your trust list, you see the feedback as trusted. You can remove The Pharmacist from your trust list by going to your trust list and adding him with a ~ before his name. But only you and whoever else has The Parmacist excluded will see his feedback as untrusted.

AFAIK The Pharmacist got removed from DT and added back recently. That's you your profile went from red to normal and back to red again.

it was pproximately $ 10 at that time.

Why does that matter?

[o_e_l_e_o]

without intending to buy an account

0.025BTC for senior account

it was pproximately $ 10 at that time.

And a stamp bag of heroin is approximately $10. Your point?

[ghost15]

Your account is marked with red because The Pharmacist is a DT user. And since you (and the majority of users) have the DefaultTrust in your trust list, you see the feedback as trusted. You can remove The Pharmacist from your trust list by going to your trust list and adding him with a ~ before his name. But only you and whoever else has The Parmacist excluded will see his feedback as untrusted.

AFAIK The Pharmacist got removed from DT and added back recently. That's you your profile went from red to normal and back to red again.

it was pproximately $ 10 at that time.

Why does that matter?

I thought that only feedback sent after he became a DT member will be taken into concederation but I think that I am misinformed, or it only concerns positive feedback.

without intending to buy an account

0.025BTC for senior account

it was pproximately $ 10 at that time.

And a stamp bag of heroin is approximately $10. Your point?

I am in Africa, the expenses are limited, tell me about the beer maybe I'll have an answer.

[TryNinja]

I thought that only feedback sent after he became a DT member will be taken into concederation but I think that I am misinformed, or it only concerns positive feedback.

No. Every single feedback he ever sent will be considered.

[BTCforJoe]

As long as a member is in a DT member’s list of trusted members, their trust left for you will be considered DT. If they are removed from the list of DT members, your trust rating that was left by them won’t appear to others as default trust. This is what happened when The Pharmacist left you trust. It displays as negative now because he has recently been readded to the DT network.

And regardless of how much bitcoin was worth at the time of the account sale, it’s still discouraged and shows dangerous behavior, which is why your account got tagged.

[ghost15]

is this Member encouraging scams, spam, and account farming? no, I'm pretty sure that NO, because it's a DT member even though he participated in the account sale Here

[AdolfinWolf]

is this Member encouraging scams, spam, and account farming? no, I'm pretty sure that NO, because it's a DT member even though he participated in the account sale Here

It's not the same thing. Not only was this a different time (2015), but i believe this member was selling accounts from people that defaulted on their loans. These account were basically the collateral for the loan.

 He didn't buy those accounts himself  or farmed them, ( which is what usually happens and causes a lot of spam, which is what is really frowned upon.)

Your argument seems invalid, and it really has nothing to do with him being a DT member. ( Which i don't think he is, since he left negative feedback here, but it doesn't affect my rating, and i have Depth currently at (2?).)

[BTCforJoe]

@zazarb is not a DT member. He is a trusted exchange of crypto to fiat here, as well as a loan provider, which is why he has such high positive feedback.

[Steamtyme]

I am in no way suggesting that purchasing accounts is appropriate nor do I condone it.

When looking at the example OP is providing though it's hard to disagree with it based on logical thinking.

An account sale is an account sale.

Regardless of how you came to have the account; through essentially buying it (collateral for a default loan) or building it up and selling it.

As for it being a different time it appears the actions were taken within 9 months of each other.

I wasn't a part of the community that far back and can easily see that account sales are a fraudulent way to pass yourself off here, and to receive extra coin in SIG campaigns.

I'm not going to go through your entire history of posts and what not, but as long as you have been a contributing member of the community and other than that one infraction haven't participated in any other account sales or similarly shady dealings; I would plead my case to The Pharmacist.


I would also suggest that this rule from the forum rules be changed to Account sales are prohibited. As discouraged is far to ambiguous; considering if the only reason you don't trust someone is that they have in fact bought an account or tried to. You may think well I don't know who that is... well we really don't know who 98% of the people who post stuff here are except for a few of the people who put themselves and to some extent their identity out there. I would say that until this rule has been changed the feedback should be neutral so that it is still visible.

EDIT: Just want to be sure it's known this was copied from the forum rules posted in meta.

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

[leonair]

is this Member encouraging scams, spam, and account farming? no, I'm pretty sure that NO, because it's a DT member even though he participated in the account sale Here

OP got a point here in my own perspective because when was the time of giving a red trust to those forum members that are selling their spare, extra, alt accounts started?

It's not the same thing. Not only was this a different time (2015), but i believe this member was selling accounts from people that defaulted on their loans. These account were basically the collateral for the loan.

 He didn't buy those accounts himself  or farmed them, ( which is what usually happens and causes a lot of spam, which is what is really frowned upon.)

Your argument seems invalid, and it really has nothing to do with him being a DT member. ( Which i don't think he is, since he left negative feedback here, but it doesn't affect my rating, and i have Depth currently at (2?).)

It's still considered buying and selling of an account even if he got it from collateral, you are reliable with it once you own it.

I am neutral on this topic and want to get concrete answers from DT members or Mods., this top is so interesting though.

[AdolfinWolf]

OP got a point here in my own perspective because when was the time of giving a red trust to those forum members that are selling their spare, extra, alt accounts started?

I'm not sure. Probably when spammers and scammers started taking it to such an enormous level which made the situation of account sellings uncontrollable?

It's still considered buying and selling of an account even if he got it from collateral, you are reliable with it once you own it.

I am neutral on this topic and want to get concrete answers from DT members or Mods., this top is so interesting though.

It is, but that isn't against the rules? DT members are free to choose who they tag, and who they don't. ( it doesn't even have to be against the rules, ( exempli gratia is scamming, which isn't against forum rules)).

you are reliable with it once you own it.

I don't see anything wrong with a lender selling defaulted accounts. What else should he do with them? Give them away for free?

Also you're acting as if he is responsible to what happens with the account after he sold it, which is the equivalent of holding an arms dealer responsible to what happens  with the gun he sold to someone who commited a crime with it. It seems a bit far-fetched to me.


I'm not saying i condone what he did at the time ( as i probably wouldn't have done the same), but i could see why he did it, and i don't think there was any malicious intent. ( abusing campaigns/farming these accounts..).

[leonair]

OP got a point here in my own perspective because when was the time of giving a red trust to those forum members that are selling their spare, extra, alt accounts started?

I'm not sure. Probably when spammers and scammers started taking it to such an enormous level which made the situation of account sellings uncontrollable?

Obviously spammers and scammers are one of the reason but it's mainly for account farming that abuses most of the Signature Campaigns because when you have a high ranking account you can enjoy also the high pay outs.

It's still considered buying and selling of an account even if he got it from collateral, you are reliable with it once you own it.

I am neutral on this topic and want to get concrete answers from DT members or Mods., this top is so interesting though.

It is, but that isn't against the rules? DT members are free to choose who they tag, and who they don't. ( it doesn't even have to be against the rules, ( exempli gratia is scamming, which isn't against forum rules)).

If we look the Forum Rules that posted by mprep(Global Moderator)
it is clearly stated in #18 rules that 'Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.'
I have never seen a forum member that got negative trust from mprep in selling their accounts though, only DT forum members.
And in his FAQ he said that:
                                     Q: I saw a guy selling Bitcointalk accounts. Why is that allowed?[/b]
                                     A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales in other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security.
        If only he said that 'A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales in other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security instead you can put
        negative trust on those people who are involve. '

you are reliable with it once you own it.

I don't see anything wrong with a lender selling defaulted accounts. What else should he do with them? Give them away for free?

Also you're acting as if he is responsible to what happens with the account after he sold it, which is the equivalent of holding an arms dealer responsible to what happens  with the gun he sold to someone who commited a crime with it. It seems a bit far-fetched to me.


I'm not saying i condone what he did at the time ( as i probably wouldn't have done the same), but i could see why he did it, and i don't think there was any malicious intent. ( abusing campaigns/farming these accounts..).

It seems you are overacting in the comparison with this statement though. It's just simply this, if they are against with that kind of act then why they would do it, do they have any sort of immunity from others?(the tagged forum member is not a DT member but a trusted one)

[ghost15]

maybe  participating in an account sale auction is considered as encoraging scams, spam, and account farming but also tagged accounts with red trust after being preserved clean for over a year is encouraging membres to buy high ranked and trusted account (maybe cheap hero member).

now tell me why there is always threads for the BCT account sale? not in proxies, TOR sales and other forums but right here and who benefits from the sale of these accounts? I say that more account red trusted, more account will be sold.

I knew the pharmacist since my first days here because he was always present where moderator and DT members participated and used some cleverness to impress them; his goal was to become DT ,his method was to give a red trust for all the participants in the account sales (since all other ways are taken by old legendary members who gave a plus for this forum; but not him),  his vocation is the sale of Paypal and BTC.

[scamcatcher]

Getting negative trust after 2 years because of the trust giver become default trust is absurd and you all know it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

used some cleverness to impress them; his goal was to become DT

What you're NOT mentioning (because your argument is entirely self-serving), is that I used so much cleverness that two DT1 members actually excluded me from their trust lists, and that I started leaving negs for account sellers roughly 1.5 years before I got on DT the first time, and that I incurred a hell of a lot of retaliatory negative trust from non-DT members by doing so.  

I'd like to know more about this cleverness of which you speak.  Not for my own ego, but I'm curious as to how exactly you think I charmed either Blazed or Hilariousandco, the two DT1 members who have me in their trust lists.

FYI:  I don't know if anyone else was giving negatives for account sales prior to me starting my own personal campaign against account dealers in 2016.  I started doing this after I got scammed by TimSweat in March 2016, and I suspect that this was a purchased account.  No proof on that one, just suspicion.

Getting negative trust after 2 years because of the trust giver become default trust is absurd and you all know it.

Life is one big absurdity.  Better stay indoors.