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[MinerHQ]

do you know any more deposoting services with interest about 4%?

I don't know any such services who can provide a fixed interest for your bitcoins.

That's why what I do is I take some extra risks and invest some of my bitcoins and other coins in casino bankrolls. One of my best casino bankroll investment is crypto-games. In a year you can earn easily more than 4% profit. But you need to be careful because this is not a guaranteed return and sometimes you may lose if someone wins a big amount. If your not a risk taker then better don't invest in casino bankroll investments.

how can someone be careful about something that is out of his hands? I mean when you invest in a casino bankroll, it is not up to you to change what happens. you invest what you can afford to lose (like any investment) and then it is pure luck and also honesty of the casino to whether scam you or not because there is no way of proving the fairness of the investment part of the casinos! for example a whale winning big time may not even be a real person!

as for investment the only other sure thing I know of was investing a large amount of bitcoin (I think 100BTC was min) in a mixer (bitmixer.io to be exact, which closed down a while back). but generally if you invest in a real business you should be able to get a good profit and with low risks and higher rewards. the problem is finding that business and also having a larger amount of bitcoin than 1-2BTC for instance.

My meaning for careful is nothing but if your not a risk taker then stay away from such investments.

Even if you invest in a real business your still taking a risk unless your managing that business. Because once you invest in other people businesses then you lose control of your funds unless your a part of decision taking a team in that business.

If one wants to grow their money over the time then they have to take some extent of risks otherwise they may need to fix with bank fixed deposits.

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[whanethewhip]

This all sounds so familiar: increase in withdraw requirements, decrease in minimum roll rewards, issues with inaccurate commission payouts that "shouldn't happen". I believe it was late August 2016 when I was asking about these same issues. I was never quite satisfied with the answers.

Freebitco.in is successful because it offers that chance to get lucky for free.

I would contend that FBC is successful for the same reasons all casinos and gambling sites are successful, because they pull in money and pay out very little in comparison.

And time is not free. In fact, some would even say that time is money. For example, if I login every day and roll 6 times and repeat this every day for about a year then I can finally withdraw a whopping 30,000 satoshi ($2). I find more money than that every week just walking to and from the store picking up change that is dropped on the ground.

So if you have made 5k from the free rolls you can deposit 25k and withdraw 30k.

True, and pay fees both times. I disagree that this is a good solution.

Send: 0.00025000 (fee: 0.0000113)
Withdraw: 0.00030000 (fee: 0.00003000)
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Total costs:  0.0000413.
Total gain: 0.00005000
Translation in current USD value. It costs 28 cents to withdraw 43 cents. My net gain would be 15 cents. No thanks.

If you do not want to gamble you can keep a balance above $50 to not have reduced rewards.

$50 is a heavy premium for the privilege of earning $2 every 6 months.

Additionally, the balance needed to have no captcha is $100.

So for $100 you allow the use of a macro?

[TheQuin]

Time is not free. In fact, some would even say that time is money.

Gambling is entertainment, not a job.

True, and pay fees both times. I disagree that this is a good solution.

Send: 0.00025000 (fee: 0.0000113)
Withdraw: 0.00030000 (fee: 0.00003000)
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Total costs:  0.0000413.
Total gain: 0.00005000
Translation in current USD value. It costs 28 cents to withdraw 43 cents. My net gain would be 15 cents. No thanks.

Why would you use the weekly withdrawal while we currently offer a slow withdrawal at 0.00000040 BTC?

[whanethewhip]

Sorry, you missed a couple of questions. I didn't realize you would be so fast to reply while I was adding to my previous post.

Gambling is entertainment, not a job.

Why are you arguing points that I did not breach while ignoring the point that I did? Both require time and therefore both have a time-value.

Why would you use the weekly withdrawal while we currently offer a slow withdrawal at 0.00000040 BTC?

If you think that some of the choices you offer are bad, then why do you offer them?

[TheQuin]

Sorry, you missed a couple of questions. I didn't realize you would be so fast to reply while I was adding to my previous post.

Gambling is entertainment, not a job.

Why are you arguing points that I did not breach while ignoring the point that I did? Both require time and therefore both have a time-value.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way and my point that gambling is entertainment counters your other points. If you think of it as investing your time to claim from a faucet then you should probably stick to sites that reward you for clicking through adverts. We are a gambling site with a generous faucet. You may remember that we started out with adverts but the site has evolved into something different.

Why would you use the weekly withdrawal while we currently offer a slow withdrawal at 0.00000040 BTC?

If you think that some of the choices you offer are bad, then why do you offer them?

We are changing the weekly withdrawal to be at the slow withdrawal fee capped at a max 3000 sat. The change should be in place before this weekends payout.

Edit.
The $50 and $100 limits help stop abuse by botnets. We've been hit previously with networks of over 50,000 bots. They are not going to fund that with $2.5 mil to $5 Mil.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way and my point that gambling is entertainment counters your other points.

Gambling is entertainment for most people but for some people gambling is a job. Poker players mostly but also some sports bettors or horse races bettors.

For example, if I login every day and roll 6 times and repeat this every day for about a year then I can finally withdraw a whopping 30,000 satoshi ($2). I find more money than that every week just walking to and from the store picking up change that is dropped on the ground.

If you play the free roll on your mobile you don’t need to log in and takes seconds to play, so the relation between effort and reward is superior than walking to the store and picking up change.

Also, you can get some big prices, not only the minimum, so on average it is going to be more than $2, and if you are lucky much more than that.

[whanethewhip]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way and my point that gambling is entertainment counters your other points.

It's not a counter to any of my points, or even on-topic to my claim that time has value. It's a red herring. I'm saying that "time has value", you are saying that "gambling is fun", that is not a topical reply to my claim.

We are a gambling site with a generous faucet.
 

I agree that you are a gambling site and I most certainly disagree that $2 per year is generous. As for the changes coming. It will be interesting to see how all of the changes (whatever they might be) scale and effect each other and whether or not the combination will be an improvement for the user base, both the users and you, or mainly just for you. We shall see.

If you play the free roll on your mobile you don’t need to log in and takes seconds to play, so the relation between effort and reward is superior than walking to the store and picking up change.

Superior? We are talking the equivalent of maybe 1 and half cents per day if you are aggressive with the rolls and you stay away from gambling in which case you will likely have nothing. One quarter on the ground is better than rolling 6 times per day on this site for a month. You have every right to determine for yourself what is superior, but I don't see it.

Also, you can get some big prices, not only the minimum, so on average it is going to be more than $2, and if you are lucky much more than that.

What you will *likely* get.
What you "can" get has very little basis in terms of what you will likely get. You will likely get nothing because you will likely use all of the free satoshi to gamble with and then when that isn't enough you will likely gamble with your own BTC and then lose it too. That is why this site still exists, because it still earns. If it did not, then the site would no longer be here and the only way it can earn is when it takes BTC from players that keep losing at gambling.

What you are unlikely to win
The opposite of what is likely, is that you will win. But it's very easy to see that the odds are stacked against everyone, and that is how gambling works. That's nothing alarming. Then there is the point of whether or not those claiming to have won really won or not. If I accept it at face value and believe everyone that claims to have won $200 or more, then it's still a small enough number to count on two hands because very few people have made the claim (last I checked, it's been a while). I certainly have my own experience to go by and in that case I have never rolled anything that pays above the minimum and I have never won the lottery and I have never won the hi/lo in a way that kept me ahead unless I just rolled a few times and am willing to accept a few more satoshi (which is safe way to double the minimum for each roll btw.. but you have to stop when ahead and have to be content with a super tiny win) and I have never rolled 8888. Biased? Sure.

What you can be assured to win, conditionally
So what's left? The middle road... the only road that is guaranteed, assuming the site stays up, then that guarantee is the faucet. What can you expect with that... well, with 6 rolls per day over the course of a year, about enough to withdraw 30,000 satoshi (presently), or $2/yr. That's 4380 clicks with one click captcha and 1 click roll. But this isn't how the site was intended to be used, it wasn't intended for everyone to go there and get $2 every year and do nothing else, it is intended to lure gamblers and part them with their money, and in the absence of gamblers it is intended to teach people to be gamblers with the faucet money and then part them with their money.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not telling anyone what to do, when to gamble, when not to gamble, what's fun or not. It's up to each individual to decide whether or not they are entertained and for what reasons. I'm entertained by the perceptions held about this site and pointing out that this site benefits the site owners at a ratio that would probably make any Casino operator in Vegas jealous. If someone can get lucky and win $200 or more, cool, I'm happy for them. But I've never seen proof of a payout of $200 or better. And most people lose money here.

[TheQuin]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way and my point that gambling is entertainment counters your other points.

It's not a counter to any of my points, or even on-topic to my claim that time has value. It's a red herring. I'm saying that "time has value", you are saying that "gambling is fun", that is not a topical reply to my claim.

It's no red herring, it's the point. Of course time has value but value is not just monetary. If I spend my time playing an amateur sport I do it because I enjoy it and that is the reward in itself. That is also how I feel about gambling. If I win then there is a monetary reward that I can use to celebrate with.

If you spend your time playing free rolls you get a chance to win bigger prizes than the base reward. Plus all the other rewards and lottery tickets. I'm sorry that you still think of it in terms of earning $2 a year from a faucet but that's not what our site is about.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If someone can get lucky and win $200 or more, cool, I'm happy for them. But I've never seen proof of a payout of $200 or better. And most people lose money here.

The fact that you are blind to see any proof doesn’t mean the proof doesn’t exist. On this same thread people posted such a proof and on this one as well:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.0

Freebitco.in is a great site, number one faucet, gives you pennies for free and the opportunity to win big prices for free, it is totally EV+. I don’t understand such an anger, unless you gambled and lost your money there.

[TheQuin]

I don’t understand such an anger, unless you gambled and lost your money there.

Often this anger is born out of the wrong expectation. If someone thinks of gambling in terms of investing time to earn money then they can only ever end up disappointed.

[chris200x9]

Gambling is entertainment for most people but for some people gambling is a job. Poker players mostly but also some sports bettors or horse races bettors.

But I suggest do not pick up gambling as a job for you because you may lose more than earning from it. Only if you're lucky then only you will win big otherwise no so better look for a job which does not depend on your luck instead which pays for your time.

We are a gambling site with a generous faucet. You may remember that we started out with adverts but the site has evolved into something different.

Did you google search anytime freebitco?

You will get an answer - FreeBitco.in - Free Bitcoin Wallet, Faucet, Lottery and Dice!

They say first faucet and later dice game. Even though you guys are trying to rebrand site as a gambling site but your site has gained a name for faucet money not for a gambling.

[TheQuin]

Did you google search anytime freebitco?

No, I found freebitco.in on this forum the first week it was launched so I never had any need to search for it.

You will get an answer - FreeBitco.in - Free Bitcoin Wallet, Faucet, Lottery and Dice!

They say first faucet and later dice game.

I think you're reading too much into the order things are listed. When adverts were removed the site's income shifted to purely gambling.

Even though you guys are trying to rebrand site as a gambling site but your site has gained a name for faucet money not for a gambling.

I really wasn't very keen on the idea of rebranding but you've made a very strong case to start to shift my opinion. Having said that I should also point out that there is nothing to stop you still using the site for free just as a faucet. The quote of mine you took was just pointing out to someone that they had unrealistic expectations if they consider doing so would give a large return.

[StelioKontos]

Gambling is entertainment for most people but for some people gambling is a job. Poker players mostly but also some sports bettors or horse races bettors.

You mean, for the idiots?

The categories of bettors people you mentioned aren't in any way comparable to web dice bettors. There is no TV, no sponsors, no bribes on web dice betting. Eg, I bet poker players get more from sponsors that from winnings.

[whanethewhip]

If someone can get lucky and win $200 or more, cool, I'm happy for them. But I've never seen proof of a payout of $200 or better. And most people lose money here.

The fact that you are blind to see any proof doesn’t mean the proof doesn’t exist. On this same thread people posted such a proof and on this one as well:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.0

Allow me to correct your language, I didn't say that I was "blind to see proof", I said that "I've never seen proof"... you even quoted me in reply. That wasn't even the point of my reply, the point was too highlight what is likely and unlikely. I prefer to deal with probabilities rather than possibilities, and win or not, the most likely outcome for a user is to lose money.

The only proof I had seen was people posting an address to show the transfer of BTC, which in my view was not proof. I had saved as a bookmark, an older thread from the last time I tested FBC (late 2016) that was supposed to be proof and there were only a few posts, also just addresses. Other than that, all I had was my personal experience which I also made a point to admit was biased.

That said, I wasn't aware of the thread you posted above (thank you), I'll spend some time to look at the posts. I also clearly stated that I might be outdated when I mentioned that I was unaware of any new posts, in this case an entire thread. At first glance, the thread you posted looks like a good retort, you didn't need to sour it though with the claim that I'm "blind to see proof".

I don’t understand such an anger, unless you gambled and lost your money there.

I've never won nor lost money at FBC. And what anger? Are you just trying to fan up some flames? I'll offer you the kindness of assuming that you are intelligent enough to understand that one can be critical of claims without being angry. I daresay that your contributions would be better received if you didn't sprinkle them with personal remarks regarding those you are addressing.

[TheQuin]

A quick update on the weekly withdrawal fee. The backend has been updated and all withdrawals will be charged at the slow withdraw fee rate this weekend. The front end display hasn't been updated yet but should be before Sunday.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Gambling is entertainment for most people but for some people gambling is a job. Poker players mostly but also some sports bettors or horse races bettors.

You mean, for the idiots?

The categories of bettors people you mentioned aren't in any way comparable to web dice bettors. There is no TV, no sponsors, no bribes on web dice betting. Eg, I bet poker players get more from sponsors that from winnings.

Keep betting and you will lose everything. The fact that you are not able to make money from poker and that you are so narrow-minded doesn't mean other people can't make money playing poker.

I pay taxes on my poker profits every year since regulation was implemented into my country, and before I had profits every year but I didn't pay taxes. Few people, poker pros, have poker as a job but there are many others, known as regulars, that have it as a side job and gives them extra income. They have no sponsors and they don't appear on TV.

See how many people here appear on TV or get money from sponsors:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2/poker-news-amp-discussion/

[achris]

Has anyone withdrawn reward points from the site ? Any ideas how long it will take to get it redeemed ?

[StelioKontos]

Gambling is entertainment for most people but for some people gambling is a job. Poker players mostly but also some sports bettors or horse races bettors.

You mean, for the idiots?

The categories of bettors people you mentioned aren't in any way comparable to web dice bettors. There is no TV, no sponsors, no bribes on web dice betting. Eg, I bet poker players get more from sponsors that from winnings.

Keep betting and you will lose everything. The fact that you are not able to make money from poker and that you are so narrow-minded doesn't mean other people can't make money playing poker.

I pay taxes on my poker profits every year since regulation was implemented into my country, and before I had profits every year but I didn't pay taxes. Few people, poker pros, have poker as a job but there are many others, known as regulars, that have it as a side job and gives them extra income. They have no sponsors and they don't appear on TV.

See how many people here appear on TV or get money from sponsors:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2/poker-news-amp-discussion/

In poker you're playing against other players, not against the house, so other factors come into play. I wouldn't compare playing poker (is it even regarded as gambling? I don't think so) with dice betting at all.

[TheQuin]

Has anyone withdrawn reward points from the site ? Any ideas how long it will take to get it redeemed ?

You cannot withdraw reward points. If you mean you withdrew Bitcoin a slow withdrawal is between 6 and 24 hours and an instant withdrawal is around 15 minutes, as stated on the withdraw tab.

[Dav7]

Has anyone withdrawn reward points from the site ? Any ideas how long it will take to get it redeemed ?

You cannot withdraw reward points. If you mean you withdrew Bitcoin a slow withdrawal is between 6 and 24 hours and an instant withdrawal is around 15 minutes, as stated on the withdraw tab.

I think he meant to say exchamge RP for a prize.