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[broke_tradah]

Wow, what an entitled lunatic. I remember this guy too. He never changed his signature. It sounded like he was the one being raped before, and it sounds like that now as well. What a meaningless way to go through life, trashing a bitcoin dice site that you think owes you a living.

And yet there it sits,  live proof for anyone to see all day long and no one is able to dispute it's success.  Isnt it amusing how these drones are incapable of reading words and comprehending them at the same time lol.  The only thing I lose are potential referral income when some of the smarter drones figure out that the stats posted on the site in the SERVER tab (and now also the sports betting area) are completely fake due to the obvious phony JS counting crap that has recently showed up (not sure when, a user of ma bot pointed it out to me).  At least when they didnt have the fake counter, the stats were somewhat believable to those that are gullible enough to believe them.  My bot is far more reliable than referral income but that doesnt mean I'm not going to go after some extra free capitol lol.  The more idiots I can get to use the site,  the better for both myself and the site.  That is of course, assuming these drones dont have the same capitol that I do in order to be successful (which very few of them do).  BTW,  why would I change my signature?  It's just as valid now as it was 2yrs ago when I first made my bot public.  I've actually been using it for much longer than that,  people saw me using it on my utube channel where I was using it to fund my trading account and kept asking me to release it,  so I did,  with a caveat of being attached to my referral id

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[Lakai01]

The Village Idiot is back repeating the same bullshit. All their lies have been called out and there's no point going over it again and again. Just put the retard on ignore.

Well, very sad that this is the only viable option here. I'd at least expected that he would be able to elaborate his accutions. Calling a well known and reputable site a scam is a serious matter.

[broke_tradah]

Well, very sad that this is the only viable option here. I'd at least expected that he would be able to elaborate his accutions. Calling a well known and reputable site a scam is a serious matter.

Oh look its another brainless drone who is incapable of clicking on links lol.  You wouldnt know what proof is even if it was tattooed to the back of your hand and your face glued to it.  I ALWAYS provide links to proof and these claims are no different (they arent actually claims at this point as much as they are facts though).  All one has to do is actually click on, read, and comprehend the links provided lol.  Besides,  the reason I expose things like this is because the more legit I can force the site to be, the more my own users will use it.  If these things are exposed,  then maybe the joint will change it's behavior.  Otherwise when people eventually figure this out on their own, they'll stop using the service and give it bad reviews to anyone they talk to,  thus costing me future referral income  At one time the income I got from referrals wasnt even worth anything,  but now it's actually not that bad considering the effort I put into it (which is almost nil).  So it's mildly advantageous to hold the site's toes to the fire to get them to stop with the bad behavior.

[STT]

 it's well known that ALL the stats on there are fake (for a reason).

Alot of people dont especially trust  statistics anyway.   Most times I lose its because the odds were never that much in my favour anyway.   I do get the 1% chance wins occasionally, that says to me its likely not off overall.

Effectively you are bumping the thread, even if its with negative accusations if nobody agrees it doesnt do much long term.    Anyone who does not find good grounds or reasonable logic in your arguments can click ignore which then just leaves the net effect of continually placing this website's thread top of the gambling section which they might even be grateful for.
   There isnt anyway to convince or force us to believe anything negative, they been around donkeys years and I cant remember having a problem with them.   If that changes or there is some problem it will become apparent from multiple people saying so, I dont doubt we'd see it.

[TheQuin]

the "Earn BTC" section says it is earning from mining and the address listed is supposed to receive the block rewards:
1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc

the first transactions in it from 11 months ago that i checked have been received from other addresses that received mining rewards. like from this:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1CK6KHY6MHgYvmRQ4PAafKYDrg1ejbH1cE

but the most recent ones are not like that anymore. so could you explain how the recent transactions could be considered payments related to mining?

The mining isn't directly related to freebitco.in it is just something wetsuit does. He stop mining for a few months when the Bitcoin price was too low to cover the electricity costs. Now he is mining on a different pool. That address you see payments from is Slushpool payout address.

Effectively you are bumping the thread, even if its with negative accusations~

That's his whole reason. He's just sig spamming the thread to trick more gullible fools into using his shitbot. His sales pitch is that freebitco.in is evil and using his pony dice script will somehow put us out of business. It is, of course, a complete lie and he actually brings in a significant amount of profit for us as he as actually managed to make a script so bad it loses 8% rather than the 5% EV.

[Lakai01]

That's his whole reason. He's just sig spamming the thread to trick more gullible fools into using his shitbot. His sales pitch is that freebitco.in is evil and using his pony dice script will somehow put us out of business. It is, of course, a complete lie and he actually brings in a significant amount of profit for us as he as actually managed to make a script so bad it loses 8% rather than the 5% EV.

His negative attitude and accusitions are a kind of marketing for his software and his referal count I think. It fits, someone new to this market may believe his words and may download his bot to "harm freebitco.in which scams its users", not recognizing that he or she fell for simple marketing.

It seems to work, he gets new referals and earns a passive income.

[fullhdpixel]

How do you lose 8% when the house edge is freaking 5% ? Like really I am not asking in the sense that "how could you do it man" I am literally asking how mathematically could it lose like that? Shouldn't the overall house edge in the long term always be 5% forever, like no matter what you do and no matter how you gamble, shouldn't it come down to 5% in the long term? How did he managed to make a bot that lost 8% .

In any case I doubt anyone would ever check out his bot, I do not believe signature campaigns work in a way that people click on it, there are some who click of course but I feel like the most common reason is to get your name out there, many huge companies in casino world use signatures to actually create a public awareness and get their names heard constantly. This dude has a no color, no shape only text line with nothing interesting in it.

[TheQuin]

How do you lose 8% when the house edge is freaking 5% ? Like really I am not asking in the sense that "how could you do it man" I am literally asking how mathematically could it lose like that? Shouldn't the overall house edge in the long term always be 5% forever, like no matter what you do and no matter how you gamble, shouldn't it come down to 5% in the long term? How did he managed to make a bot that lost 8% .

I really don't know. It must take some very special skills to achieve. (or it's just statistical variance).

[Betwrong]

I lost my bet on Billie Eilish - Bad Guy in the category Best Pop Video award at the MTV Video Music Awards 2019. As usually, I bet on something having high outcome odds, 16.68 at the time of betting, meaning my success was very unlikely, and it would be no wonder if I lost, but damn, look who actually won.



The outcome odds were 26.04! I should have been more persistent with following my style of betting.

[broke_tradah]

How do you lose 8% when the house edge is freaking 5% ?

Take a loooooooooooooooooooooong hard look at the statement and you may eventually figure it out once you realize what I said about "changing seeds".  If you have a house edge of X but then you also cheat users by making them lose by changing server seeds after a roll,  what do you think happens to the EV?  Duuuuuuuuuuuh,  it increases.  So you can thank TheQuack for verifying that I am indeed correct,  either he lies,  or they cheat,  one or the other.  The other answer (which is more likely I think) is that TheQuack is just spewing garbage statistics just like the server statistics on the site,  all garbage and fake.  See,  my bot is designed to help people be successful.  The more successful someone is,  the more I stand to earn from them.  The site however is completely the opposite.  They dont want people standing a chance to win.  They just want you to deposit and lose everything since thats how they keep a positive cashflow.

The two situations are completely different. I make BTC BTC from people being successful,  they make BTC from people losing.  This is why it only makes sense that TheQuack would want to bash my bot (or any bot for that matter).  Bots help people be successful if used correctly.  However they are NOT a magic wand and it takes PERSISTENCE to be successful with a bot strategy.  See,  TheQuack wants you to think that I market it as some sort of magic wand that'll make you win everytime.  But that simply isnt the case.  I have NEVER marketed it like that nor would I ever do so as it doesnt make any sense.  In order to be SUCCESSFUL,  you have to lose as well as win.  There is no such thing as a bot that will make you win every single time.  There is however a proven strategy of persistence that can help you be successful, even in the face of a CHEATING casino such as FBC.  IF you have the will and means to do so.  Not everyone does.  In order for FBC to make this type of bot strategy in-effective,  they would literally have to raise the house edge to 51% or higher (sound familiar?).  Of course it would then make the capitol you need to employ the strategy MUCH higher,  but it's still possible if you have the means to do so.  But lets be real here,  they would totally get called out for doing that.  Even at 5% they catch a lot of slack.  So the only other thing to do would be to CHEAT in order to raise the EV (which is exactly what they do btw) which has the same effect as raising the house edge without actually making it as obvious.  But if they cheat to much,  the EV starts to show their cheating (which is what TheQuack doesnt realize he just proved,  he's not that bright anyway,  I dont expect him to realize the error he made lol).  The other thing that cheating will do is start to manifest itself in people noticing that seeds are changing (IE the thread I mentioned).  Doing to much cheating will make it SUPER obvious.  I dont believe they do "to much cheating" right now to make it SUPER obvious,  but it's obvious enough for people to start crying fire.

See,  unlike the site,  I make BTC whether a person wins OR loses.  The referrals come in even if the user wins a roll.  Where as with the site,  they dont have that.  They only gain if the player LOSES.  So therein lies the difference and this is why you should trust what I say over what TheQuack says.  I have NOTHING to gain and LOTS of referral income to lose out on if my users continuously fail.  The more successful they are,  the more I earn.  Pretty simple really.  Although I guess not since there are so many drones out there who think TheQuack is an angel and never lies LMFAO.

So yes,  I DO have a reason to call them out on all their cheating even though I use the site myself.  It has a direct effect on the referral income I get from users who cant be as successful as they would be if there was no cheating at all.  It also scares off potential referrals as well (such as when I had a few people ask about the completely fake JS statistics pages,  I told them that they were 100% correct,  its all FAKE).

But thats all chicken feed anyway.  My bot still outperforms ALL of the referral income I get,  whether they cheat or not,  so I still run it myself.  Every day.  Live 24/7,  for everyone and their dog to witness.  2.5yrs straight now.  Started on youtube,  moved to Dlive since Dlive doesnt have Live Streaming limits (you cant live stream 24/7 on youtube anymore,  there are now limits on it and all the starting/stopping on youtube is to much to bother with).

[TheQuin]

How do you lose 8% when the house edge is freaking 5% ?

Take a loooooooooooooooooooooong hard look at the statement and you may eventually figure it out once you realize what I said about "changing seeds".  If you have a house edge of X but then you also cheat users by making them lose by changing server seeds after a roll,  what do you think happens to the EV?  Duuuuuuuuuuuh,  it increases.  So you can thank TheQuack for verifying that I am indeed correct,  either he lies,  or they cheat,  one or the other.  The other answer (which is more likely I think) is that TheQuack is just spewing garbage statistics just like the server statistics on the site,  all garbage and fake.  See,  my bot is designed to help people be successful.  The more successful someone is,  the more I stand to earn from them.  The site however is completely the opposite.  They dont want people standing a chance to win.  They just want you to deposit and lose everything since thats how they keep a positive cashflow.

More complete and utter bullshit.

If we changed seeds you could prove it. You can't because we don't.

The real reason your shitbot loses more than the house edge is simply that you use a progressive betting system. That means that you increase the odds and/or steak when you lose. So when you hit a streak with a variance towards losing you are betting larger amounts and when you hit a streak with more wins you are betting smaller amounts. That's what increases the houise edge and means the succers that belive your crap lose more than the average customer.

[broke_tradah]

yack yack variance this yack variance that....  I plead the fif... errrr variance.

Seems you forgot that the more someone plays (such as with a bot which rolls literally 100,000s of thousands of times),  the CLOSER to the "EV" that they get,  not further away (in either direction).  You've said this yourself countless times.  What you're now attempting to say here is the complete opposite in that the loss % is getting FURTHER from EV and there is only TWO causes of that.  Either the EV calculation isnt correct (the house edge is wrong), or the house is cheating (which we know is the case due to the PROOF of seed changing in multiple threads).  How you GET to the EV is completely irrelevant,  whether you bet with odds of 1 or odds of 99,  the EV is always reached over an extended period of time,  not increased as you are insinuating here.  There is mathematically NO way that the EV would EVER increase no matter WHAT betting strategy is used.  Period.  The only way that happens is if the house cheats (either by changing seeds, or by changing the house edge on the fly, which I've not seen evidence of personally but hey, ya never know).

[TheQuin]

Seems you forgot that the more someone plays (such as with a bot which rolls literally 100,000s of thousands of times),  the CLOSER to the "EV" that they get,  not further away (in either direction). ~ 

Of course, I have said that because it is true. It does not contradict what I just said. If you bet larger when you are losing and smaller when you are winning you will increase the house edge against you. That's why your shitbot loses 8% rather than 5%.

~or the house is cheating (which we know is the case due to the PROOF of seed changing in multiple threads).

Another lie. No proof has been presented just people making baseless accusations and idiots like you drawing incorrect conclusions about variance and statistics.

[broke_tradah]

If you bet larger when you are losing and smaller when you are winning you will increase the house edge against you. That's why your shitbot loses 8% rather than 5%.

Uhm.  Do you even know what a house edge is?  Because the above statement is about as retarded of a statement as I've ever seen you make.  The house edge doesnt change you retard,  it's still 47.5 == 1.  Just because you change the odds or your bet size doesnt change this fact.  WTF is wrong with you.  LMFAO.  The house edge is set by changing the break even point (which is 47.5 for FBC).  The ONLY way to change the house edge is to change that point.  Thats it.  There is NO other method to change the house edge unless you are the casino and you can cheat by changing rolls or by changing the house edge value (47.5 in the case of FBC which == 5% house edge).  House edge is 50 - X% where X% is the house edge.  50 - 5% == 2.5,   50 - 2.5 == 47.5.  You cant change the house edge any other way.  5% is 5% is 5% no matter how you chop it up,  the house edge doesnt change because of how the player is betting.  This is why your EV statement is so telling.  Either you've been cheating so much that you forgot this or you're just really that stupid.  God you crack me up.

[TheQuin]

~blah blah I'm too thick to understand that you just explained why I'm wrong so I'm not even going to try and come up with a counter-argument because I'm a thick shit. blah blah just repeat what I just got wrong before blah blah. I still can't prove you change seeds because you don't blah blah.

Fixed that for you.

[adaseb]

I've only started reading the beginning of page 483 and what I can understand is that broke_tradah has some bot which is able to beat the house in some way? Is that correct?

I don't think its ever possible to make a bot in crypto gambling because no matter how sophisticated it is or no matter what strategy it uses, it will never come out ahead due to the house edge. The house edge is always towards the casino and due to this it doesn't matter how the bot is coded the house will always win when time -> infinity.

Even if the server seed got changed in the middle of a game, I don't think it would affect the overall result by much. Every bet is completely independent of the prior and the way that the hashing goes its pretty much completely random, there is no pattern. Trust me I've tried.

The only bots in Crypto that actually are profitable are the private arbitrage or trading bots which are active on most exchanges. Those usually can turn a profit because there are many arbitrage opportunities in the markets during volatile times.

[TheQuin]

I've only started reading the beginning of page 483 and what I can understand is that broke_tradah has some bot which is able to beat the house in some way? Is that correct?

No. He just lies and says he has. The actual results achieved by that bot are worse than the EV of the house edge so the fools that fall for his sales pitch actually lose badly.

[docthusinh]

I don't think its ever possible to make a bot in crypto gambling because no matter how sophisticated it is or no matter what strategy it uses, it will never come out ahead due to the house edge. The house edge is always towards the casino and due to this it doesn't matter how the bot is coded the house will always win when time -> infinity.

Even if the server seed got changed in the middle of a game, I don't think it would affect the overall result by much. Every bet is completely independent of the prior and the way that the hashing goes its pretty much completely random, there is no pattern. Trust me I've tried.

It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).

The users including me requested him to make a ported version for other site on an alt coin to lower the cost, but it's not available (may be he is not hating other site owners lol)...So I make my own thing base on understanding of his thing (live stream) on other low house edge site and somehow it work exactly like his live stream. Basically I leave that streaming tab open since last Jun 2018 and monitor it constantly to try to withness his lost but none still today.

For the 5% and 8% thing, to be clear: 5% is the house edge, 8% is the total earning per total wagered amount.

For proof, go around the sites and check my user name there -- same as forum name (I can't and won't tell which site it is) and check for yourself 8% thing mentioned. I am still in process of testing the site edge and provably fair thing... so far so good and in profit...For any one that want to accuse that I am his alt or any thing, well think again, I am from Vietnam and the guy might come from US or Canada (my guess), so nothing related.

I am telling the actual situation and also I don't play on this site right now, so don't attack me on this.

[TheQuin]

It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).

This really goes to the heart of the matter. If you just take a single roll with 1 BTC at 1.01x you stand to win 1.01 BTC with a 94.06% chance of winning. You can create a script with a profit target of 0.0001 and have a far greater chance of winning. You could even stream it for months on end and say "it didn't bust, it's giving me an advantage over the house" but you would be wrong. It could have bust the very first time you ran it. All you have done is found a way to bet on outcomes with a lower multiplier than the min bet odds offered on the site. The cost of doing that is that you obviously have to risk a larger sum in proportion to what you stand to win which is why sites love people doing it.

[guoyu78]

@broke_tradah
Why are you putting up with his BS? You have done this before as well, there was another dude (or maybe the same dude, I don't remember) who came in here every single day and talked badly about freebitcoin and he had absolutely no proof at all and you kept giving him an answer forever, like it was some sort of responsibility that you have to answer every single idiotic message that comes in this topic, I am pretty sure if you stopped giving him a reply he will write maybe 2-3 more messages at most and will stop, but if you give him some answers than he will answer back to you and than it will stay in a loop and we can't get out of it until someone stops.


This guy is not cared by any of the real users of freebitcoin, hence he has no influence over anybody, let him be and do not reply if you can please.