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What the hell are you talking about?! Rules of the forum have nothing together with Satoshi. Yes, he is kinda one of the oldest participant of the forum, but he doesn't play any role here and did not appear for years.
Really? Satoshi became a member here?! I'm sorry to for contradicting you but I don't think Satoshi never become a member here (based on my experience here in the forum). I was able to say that because I never heard a news or read a thread discussing about satoshi's stay here from the very start that i created my account here 'til now.
Satoshi Nakamoto is a founder of BitcoinTalk forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

As far as I know, the first forum concerned to Bitcoin was on the SourceForge. Afterwards the current forum powered by SMF was founded by "satoshi" and "Sirius" here.

I don't know about the opinion of Satoshi Nakamoto, but I mostly adopt the merit system deployed on the forum. BitcoinTalk was saved from being full of a lot of very high rank users.

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I'm surprised that some veteran members don't know that the forum was founded by Satoshi.

Maybe he wouldn't want to post here nowadays, since the signal-to-noise ratio is too low. But he also wouldn't have liked posting on a forum with oppressive moderation, which would be necessary to make the forum something like how it was in the early days. I think that Satoshi just wouldn't have liked using any large forum.

Whether Satoshi would agree with current forum policies is another matter. You can agree that a policy is correct without necessarily liking the end result. The existing forum policies are pretty natural extensions of the policies under the administration of Satoshi and Sirius, intended to maximize freedom while still keeping the forum usable. Though if he disagreed, he'd probably say that there is too much freedom and not enough usability.

And while it may be interesting to speculate, Satoshi's approval is not required. You should do what is correct, as far as you can tell, not what you think some person (who is really just an abstract idea to most people rather than a real person) would want you to do.

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I'm surprised that some veteran members don't know that the forum was founded by Satoshi.

Maybe he wouldn't want to post here nowadays, since the signal-to-noise ratio is too low. But he also wouldn't have liked posting on a forum with oppressive moderation, which would be necessary to make the forum something like how it was in the early days. I think that Satoshi just wouldn't have liked using any large forum.

Whether Satoshi would agree with current forum policies is another matter. You can agree that a policy is correct without necessarily liking the end result. The existing forum policies are pretty natural extensions of the policies under the administration of Satoshi and Sirius, intended to maximize freedom while still keeping the forum usable. Though if he disagreed, he'd probably say that there is too much freedom and not enough usability.

And while it may be interesting to speculate, Satoshi's approval is not required. You should do what is correct, as far as you can tell, not what you think some person (who is really just an abstract idea to most people rather than a real person) would want you to do.

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March 29, 2018, 06:54:26 AM
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Bitcointalk has started to add more rules , more censorship, and bullying from high ranks.  This forum is against everything satoshi believed in now.  Satoshi would be rolling in his grave at all the abuse of power going on here. I call it like I see it.

Everyone here should be treated fairly

He would also not been happy with:

1) Members creating multiple profiles here to spam the forum, promote shit coins and bump own threads.

2) Account farming in order to participate in multiple signature campaigns.

3) New members accusing senior members and staff.

Also, the forum will always work as per the rules set by the current owner.
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March 29, 2018, 02:44:17 PM
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Satoshi wouldn't be posting here at all because it is protected by Cloudflare!  Wink

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March 29, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
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Being veteran members don't equal to have deeply knowledge about the forum (its founders, its operational structures, its chronological history, and so on.)
It is also the same as now we can witness lots of Senior, Hero and sometimes Ledgendary members usually posting shits (one-lined, non-sense threads). It is due to the fact that those ones ranked up easily with loose old ranking system (the ranking system without merit requirements). I found some of them by chance via their shitty threads, then I spent time to look at their post-history, completely shitshow.
By the way, thank you very much for launching merit system, Theymos.
I'm surprised that some veteran members don't know that the forum was founded by Satoshi.
Now, I know that the forum was co-founded by Satoshi and Sirius. One more interesting thing I learned from bitcointalk forum as usual.

Me too. I don't prefer to spend my time to look at shitty threads in the forum. To be honest, before the launch of merit system, I was shit-poster (hate to say this, but that what I was). Due to merit system's amazing impacts, I changed myself to become better member of the forum. Write to contribute, not write to show my shits.
I think that Satoshi just wouldn't have liked using any large forum.
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Satoshi wouldn't be posting here at all because it is protected by Cloudflare!  Wink

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March 29, 2018, 05:51:18 PM
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In the time when Satoshi was still active on the boards, nearly every single person on the board was some sort of math or tech guru.  There were no endless threads about completely worthless altcoins and ICOs.  The vast majority of replies being made had substance and meaning.  A level of quality the forums were sadly growing largely devoid of until the new, stricter measures were implemented.  If there were no rules, this place would become unreadable and most people with any sense would abandon it.  Things are starting to improve now, so you may as well get used to it.  Things have to adapt as times change.


Also, if you think you can do better, you're welcome to start your own forums with as many or few rules as you please.

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What the hell are you talking about?! Rules of the forum have nothing together with Satoshi. Yes, he is kinda one of the oldest participant of the forum, but he doesn't play any role here and did not appear for years.
Really? Satoshi became a member here?! I'm sorry to for contradicting you but I don't think Satoshi never become a member here (based on my experience here in the forum). I was able to say that because I never heard a news or read a thread discussing about satoshi's stay here from the very start that i created my account here 'til now.
Satoshi Nakamoto is a founder of BitcoinTalk forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

As far as I know, the first forum concerned to Bitcoin was on the SourceForge. Afterwards the current forum powered by SMF was founded by "satoshi" and "Sirius" here.

I don't know about the opinion of Satoshi Nakamoto, but I mostly adopt the merit system deployed on the forum. BitcoinTalk was saved from being full of a lot of very high rank users.
It's such a shame to know that a Sr. Member which is much older/higher than our ranks doesn't know much about Satoshi Nakamoto, I didn't know how he got into this forum, without even searching for the creator of bitcoin or the guy who sold 10,000 BTC for two pizzas.

I bet he never knew about the creators of LTC, ETH and other cryptos have been here too. Grin

Bitcointalk has started to add more rules , more censorship, and bullying from high ranks.  This forum is against everything satoshi believed in now.  Satoshi would be rolling in his grave at all the abuse of power going on here. I call it like I see it.

Everyone here should be treated fairly
What more rules are you talking about? If it's about the merit system, it's maybe unfair to low ranks like us, but it's how they could track the signature bounty abusers.

Honestly, it was ironic that only few weeks left before my rank up, the merit system was implemented. It shattered my hope to tell my grandkids that I was a member of this forum with high rank, in case they will ask me about cryptocurencies.


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Also, if you think you can do better, you're welcome to start your own forums with as many or few rules as you please.
That's amusing to me, because I've seen people try it--and it's failed miserably, with users only going to these new forums because they're being paid to do so.  And, I hate to say it but signature campaigns are a huge motivating force for a lot of people to post here.  It can be done right, as evidenced by the handful of usually high-ranked members who engage in them and still somehow manage to write things worth reading.  Sometimes even things of brilliance.  It just appears that a certain class of users here are lazy and ignorant and are here for all the wrong reasons, as if bitcointalk owes them a writing career.

I've read posts from the early days of bitcointalk, and doing so is instructive.  People then really did care about bitcoin and the discussion thereof.  And man, there were some excellent posters back then who've seemingly abandoned their accounts--probably because bitcointalk became a cesspool of shitposting.  Or they got very wealthy and suddenly found better things to do than spend time with the plebians *lol*. 

Sig campaigns were here when I started lurking in 2014 and bct had already gotten really bad by that point.  Not quite as bad as the present day, but close.  There weren't all the account farmers, I don't think, but that was an emerging problem.  I'd like to see this forum not become one that the shitposters have taken full control over.  I'm hoping the merit system evolves to have a more profound effect than it's currently having.  We'll see.

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March 29, 2018, 08:22:13 PM
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I'm surprised that some veteran members don't know that the forum was founded by Satoshi.

Maybe he wouldn't want to post here nowadays, since the signal-to-noise ratio is too low. But he also wouldn't have liked posting on a forum with oppressive moderation, which would be necessary to make the forum something like how it was in the early days. I think that Satoshi just wouldn't have liked using any large forum.

Whether Satoshi would agree with current forum policies is another matter. You can agree that a policy is correct without necessarily liking the end result. The existing forum policies are pretty natural extensions of the policies under the administration of Satoshi and Sirius, intended to maximize freedom while still keeping the forum usable. Though if he disagreed, he'd probably say that there is too much freedom and not enough usability.

And while it may be interesting to speculate, Satoshi's approval is not required. You should do what is correct, as far as you can tell, not what you think some person (who is really just an abstract idea to most people rather than a real person) would want you to do.
Great post! To be fair couldn't imagine your post here...
Satoshi wouldn't like posting in so large community and I bet his real aim wouldn't be bitcoin's and cryptocurrencies so massive use (this coin isn't intended for that to be fair).
You say you should do what is correct but 90% of people don't have their choice/person, they want to act and do things like their idol.

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March 29, 2018, 08:51:43 PM
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Satoshi should atleast show up in this forum once in a while and let us know his opinions on the present state of Bitcoin and the Forum.
That will save us a lot of speculative posts about him and provide space for more important discussions.
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March 29, 2018, 11:51:28 PM
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Satoshi should atleast show up in this forum once in a while and let us know his opinions on the present state of Bitcoin and the Forum.
That will save us a lot of speculative posts about him and provide space for more important discussions.

Satoshi doesnt owe the forum a visit nor would his view on the forum change anything.  How would his "dropping in" lead to more important discussions?




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March 29, 2018, 11:59:27 PM
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Satoshi should atleast show up in this forum once in a while and let us know his opinions on the present state of Bitcoin and the Forum.
That will save us a lot of speculative posts about him and provide space for more important discussions.

Why?

It is pretty clear 1 of 4 things happened or are the way Satoshi wants it.

1) Created bitcoin and is now allowing it to find it's own path without interference. Anything Satoshi would say would essentially lead to tainting others opinions.
2) Has an alt account and likes to read/monitor/study the evolution of their creation
3) Is dead, I hate to say it but shit happens all the time
4) Had an accident and doesn't remember who they are/coma.

Maybe their are others, plus who wants to show up and deal with a million PM's about how to bitcoin/how to earn with bitcoin/should i invest....blah blah blah

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March 30, 2018, 12:10:00 AM
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Bitcointalk has started to add more rules , more censorship, and bullying from high ranks.  This forum is against everything satoshi believed in now.  Satoshi would be rolling in his grave at all the abuse of power going on here. I call it like I see it.

Everyone here should be treated fairly

I completely agree with you.100%

This forum was NOT made by Satoshi...

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