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May 22, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
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(Copied from an earlier reply... since game protect isn't interested in a debate, just trolling)


Once again game protect your not making any sense so I will try and help you...

What game protect is trying to say is that he believes the Curaçao gaming licence has no validity. Of course he doesn't say that he is an affiliate, marketing Curaçao licenced operators. Nothing like a little hypocrisy!

I have talked about this in the past, but to save reader going through numerous posts, let me explain stuff about Curaçao licensing and white label operators.

Different countries have their own licensing regimes. This list gives you a good idea the amount of regulation per country https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html

Licensing does three things:

- acts as a framework for government get tax revenues
- gives some clarity for a game providers when it comes to deciding which country territories and or which casino operators they are going to work with. For example some game providers might not want to work with Curaçao licensed operators... Equally other game providers might not want to work with UK licensed operators.
- Creates a framework which can be used to support consumer welfare

Obviously as a reader, you're interested in consumer protection.

In the UK, gambling is highly regulated and there is a substantial tax take from the UK government. This regulation does improve consumer protection for individuals within the UK.

For European countries which don't have localised regulation, many operators use Malta licences which has an intermediate number of consumer protections associated with it https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/

Curaçao licences are fairly weak on consumer protection. To understand more:  https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/. Curaçao licences are used

There is a correlation between the cost of a licence and the number of consumer protections it affords. More you pay,, the more resource a licensing authority will put in to consumer arbitration.
There's also a correlation between cost of licensing and value of a market place. For example UK licences are expensive, they offer a high consumer protection and it's a very profitable market if you can get a foothold

White labels
Oshi is a white label operator. Softswiss or now known as BGAMING handle transactions, licensing, customer services, game integration and we handle the marketing and strategy for Oshi. Were also responsible for our player terms and conditions.
For example, you read through my post you'll see that I'm very straight about stuff and I care about being fair with our players.  I've made those choices and as a brand and we live or die by our values. Different white label operators will have their own game plan.

As a white label operator I am allowed to use Softswiss's (BGAMING) Curaçao licence as a white label operator partner.

Why doesn't it show you is the licence holder?
The licence is in the name of Direx, which is a corporate entity registered in Curaçao tax and licensing reasons. Softswiss is a separate business which owns Direx. This arrangement is very similar to Google or Amazon or any other multinational business which has registered companies in different country territories for either licensing or tax reasons. Game protect has probably tried to say that it's all very scammy, but the reality is that it's just corporate/accountancy stuff.

Our licence: https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=6c9eea068af302a06c89ad6611841838

Technically I am not the licence holder. Direx is. However I, along with all other white label operators Softswiss / BGAMING network act as representatives of Direx. So for example if one of the white label operators was involved in attempted money laundering, Direx could lose its licence with Curaçao and every white label operator on the network would be unable to trade.

This puts a lot of responsibility on Direx to police the behaviour of every white label operator, because if there a serious licensing contravention, the whole network of sites could go down.

What does all this mean to you?

Arbitration
If you're in a country territories which doesn't have a local licensing framework for online gambling and gambling is legal where you are, you can use any casino (within reason) this table gives you some useful info https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html

Consumer protection for players using Curaçao licence is not as good as I would like, but then brands like us rely on the arbitration services of affiliates like AskGamblers to deal with customer issues.
https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/

We also rely on our good reputation in forums like this, which is why I'm so unhappy about 'Game protect' and his nonsense, because he doesn't understand the law and deliberately misdirects and misinforms to get people to go to his affiliate website. However, every nonsense post he puts up gives me an opportunity to talk some sense (I hope).

I've won but they're not paying!
In the end all casinos like us can do, is have clear terms and conditions that are fair, which is why we've written all our terms and conditions in plain English. Most people treat a casino as a service, where they go and gamble. However there is a large minority who treat us as an anniversary to be gamed or profit. They may win money by steering the odds in their favour i.e. through volatility arbitration or multiple duplicate account and then get caught out on terms and conditions. This kind of thing happens frequently.

Why gamble on a Curaçao licenced operator site?

Simply: Cryptocurrency. Curaçao allows casinos to use Cryptocurrency whilst not imposing overly rigourous KYC (know your customer) restrictions. In the UK, operators can offer Cryptocurrency as a payment option, but every customer has to be KYC'd. Since much of the benefit of Cryptocurrency is  pseudo-anonymity and lack of hassle, having all of this KYC and admin means you may as well just use a debit card.

Of course, I would like it if Curaçao was tighter on KYC requirements and hopefully they will do this in the future. I'd also like it if they were better on consumer arbitration.

In the end, any consumer should do their research and objectively look at a casino's reputation before putting their money down.





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May 22, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
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What game protect is trying to say is that he believes the Curaçao gaming licence has no validity.
I never said the Curaçao gaming licenses 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ have no validity.

I say the claims of casinos to operate under the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ licenses have no legal basis. You might be not able to understand it, but this is a huge difference!


Of course he doesn't say that he is an affiliate,
I surely said it countless times that players can qualify for our online gaming consumer protection service if they register their accounts with any Qualify free casino.


marketing Curaçao licenced operators.
The only Curaçao licenced operators are the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ license holders and Game Protect does not marketing them.


I have talked about this in the past, but to save reader going through numerous posts, let me explain stuff about Curaçao licensing and white label operators.

Different countries have their own licensing regimes.
Curaçao does not have a licensing regime! Even the PPO confirmed this: "Brick and mortar casinos and lotteries are regulated by two dfferent organizations, whereas online games of chance are yet to be regulated in anticipation of legislation."


This list gives you a good idea the amount of regulation per country https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html
What relevant information do they give for players playing at Curaçao based casinos?

Where do they explain how the white label construction works?


This is a link to the Antillephone seal status page, right?

How or based on which laws can you claim the information at the seal status page of Antillephone is your license, while Curacao eGaming itself publicly states that the seal status is not to be accepted as valid license certificate?

I will explain with the example of a driving license what the seal status page is:

1) If authorities issued a driving license to you, they will give you a document / card called driving license with your photo on it.

2) The information that you have a driving license is also in a central register.

3) The seal status page information that oshi.io operates under the 8048/JAZ license is similiar to 2), but it is not 1), it is not your license certificate or your license as you false and misleading claim!

And there is also a huge difference between 2) and 3), because 2) is a register by authorities whereas 3) is a register by an anonymous adventure called Antillephone N.V.

Your license must be a document or contract with the 8048/JAZ license holder, because only the 8048/JAZ license holder holds a license issued by the Government of Curacao and no one else.

To show a valid license for oshi.io, you need to show us a valid authorization from 8048/JAZ license holder to Direx N.V. and then a valid authorization from Direx N.V. to the company that operates osho.io?

And if there is no company that operates oshi.io, then Direx N.V. is the operator of the website oshi.io! Because only companies can have a usage rights contract to operate under the 8048/JAZ license.

And in this case and as I already said, Ivan is your boss because Ivan is the managing director of Direx N.V.!

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May 24, 2018, 08:56:20 AM
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@game protect, thank you for bothering to write a fairly comprehensive reply. As ever you lie and misdirect for profit. Sad thing is the people who are stupid enough believe you are the ones that genuinely need protection. You're just the worst kind of predator, trying to mislead people for profit.


Anyway, back to Curaçao licensing...This thread is insightful https://www.quora.com/What-are-drawbacks-of-a-Cura%C3%A7ao-gaming-license

As I see it:

You have country specific licensing jurisdictions which act as a framework for regulation, tax collection and consumer protection. The UK gambling council is a good example.

You then have jurisdictions like Curaçao who don't offer much regulation, impose minimal tax collection and have virtually no consumer protection. However, despite the lack of 'strength' with this license, it does make it easier for game providers, banks and other services to decide whether they work with casino brands.

In this case a game provider will say: "you have Curaçao licence, you can use our games". Some game providers don't want to run games with Curaçao brands for instance. And there are some game providers who are happy to provide games to unlicensed casinos.

The catch with game providers allowing the games on unlicensed casinos is that most of the big wealthy markets are regulated. So if the UKGC saw a game provider allowing games to be run on unlicensed casinos they might say these game providers cannot trade in UK. Licensed jurisdictions have a lot of discretionary power.

Back to game protect's narrative

Game protect is saying that Curaçao licence is of no validity. In one sense that's true. In the UK you cannot trade with the Curaçao licence. You have to have a UK gambling licence.

But, there are grey markets i.e. Canada where there is no local licensing for online gambling and therefore operators from any country origin can trade there.

However, a Curaçao licence is still valuable because as I mentioned earlier because it means that game providers will offer services because of that licence. It's got nothing to do with the law in Canada as applied to Curaçao. Curaçao has no jurisdiction over Canada.

The sad part is that game protect does understand this, but he's a charlatan and constantly lies for profit.


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May 24, 2018, 05:51:44 PM
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Game protect is saying that Curaçao licence is of no validity.
I repeat, I never said that the 4 Curaçao licenses 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ of 8048/JAZ are of no validity. You are again lying and misleading the bitcointalk community in an attempt to fall into your SoftSwiss scam trap!

What I say is that your claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license has no legal basis and you operate illegal!

Why?

1) Because key parts of the terms and conditions of your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ are intentionally and persistently not fulfilled, making it invalid!

2) Because key parts of the Curaçao licensing requirement laws are intentionally and persistently not fulfilled, making your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ invalid!

3) Because Curacao civil and criminal laws are intentionally and persistently breached, making your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ invalid!

And as you are a criminal blatant liar, your sole chance to draw victims into the SoftSwiss scam is to persistently blatant lie and brain washery of your potential dumb customers, clueless to understand even the basic things about contracts and rights! Roll Eyes


The sad part is that game protect oshi.io does understand this, but he's a charlatan and constantly lies for profit.
You are again lying and misleading the bitcointalk community, because you are the casino operator making profit from losses of your victims and not Game Protect! Roll Eyes

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