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January 25, 2015, 09:26:18 PM
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i feel like seeing 3 new developments:

1.) anon/privacy-centric coins getting stronger
2.) anti-privacy-movement in bitcoin is getting stronger        
3.) sidechains are proposed -> question/big likelihood: of an anon/privacy-sidechain

Which leads me to the question:
where do you guys see darkwallet in future?                            


Bonus question:
Do you guys see Darkwallet in future as sidechain or mainchain technology/sub-subsystem?

Your question is a bit odd because Darkwallet is a thin bitcoin wallet using an independent Bitcoin implementation that has some amazing privacy features.

Libbitcoin isn't a separate coin , but a separate software stack that interacts with the Bitcoin blockchain that darkwallet uses. Thus there is no coin to be released as a future sidechain and darkwallet isn't competing against bitcoin, but merely a tool for bitcoin users who want cutting edge privacy features.

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January 25, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
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Thank you man. I know what DW is, I just wanted to where it goes/where you see it in the future.
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January 25, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
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Thank you man. I know what DW is, I just wanted to where it goes/where you see it in the future.

It will remain a wallet that uses a separate Bitcoin stack. There is no expectation that it will incorporate other coins or
work as a sidechain.

We just need to keep testing it to make it more stable, bug free, and useful to bring it out of alpha.

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January 25, 2015, 11:00:49 PM
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Is the Bitcoin Dark Wallet more anonymous than Monero? Why would you use this and not Monero?

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January 25, 2015, 11:14:43 PM
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Is the Bitcoin Dark Wallet more anonymous than Monero? Why would you use this and not Monero?

Monero doesn't have the hashing security of Bitcoin, doesn't have the same degree of auditing and development as bitcoin, doesn't have the transaction volume bitcoin to hide the transactions, and since it is focused on privacy it is exposed to higher degree of suspect vs bitcoin which has a wide range of different types of transactions.

As far as privacy is concerned they are both similar- Darkwallet uses Stealth payments + CoinJoin mixing and will soon implement an optional coin shuffle mechanism as well. With Coinshuffle, darkwallet should be as secure or more so than Monero.

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January 25, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
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Is the Bitcoin Dark Wallet more anonymous than Monero? Why would you use this and not Monero?

Monero doesn't have the hashing security of Bitcoin, doesn't have the same degree of auditing and development as bitcoin, doesn't have the transaction volume bitcoin to hide the transactions, and since it is focused on privacy it is exposed to higher degree of suspect vs bitcoin which has a wide range of different types of transactions.

As far as privacy is concerned they are both similar- Darkwallet uses Stealth payments + CoinJoin mixing and will soon implement an optional coin shuffle mechanism as well. With Coinshuffle, darkwallet should be as secure or more so than Monero.
Monero doesnt need massive amounts of transaction volumes because the ring signature technology and the lack of a public blockchain make it so that that isnt a problem.
I think SilkRoad-ish markets will eventually accept XMR too beside bTC.

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January 26, 2015, 12:42:12 AM
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Is the Bitcoin Dark Wallet more anonymous than Monero? Why would you use this and not Monero?

Monero doesn't have the hashing security of Bitcoin, doesn't have the same degree of auditing and development as bitcoin, doesn't have the transaction volume bitcoin to hide the transactions, and since it is focused on privacy it is exposed to higher degree of suspect vs bitcoin which has a wide range of different types of transactions.

As far as privacy is concerned they are both similar- Darkwallet uses Stealth payments + CoinJoin mixing and will soon implement an optional coin shuffle mechanism as well. With Coinshuffle, darkwallet should be as secure or more so than Monero.
What is stopping an adversary (NSA, FBI) to start advertising itself in a Lobby as a mixing node and recording the CoinJoin requests?

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January 26, 2015, 01:28:25 AM
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What is stopping an adversary (NSA, FBI) to start advertising itself in a Lobby as a mixing node and recording the CoinJoin requests?

Coin join can be n-party mixes and more advanced coin shuffle will be coming out soon. Security with Darkwallet or Crpytonote isn't perfect but it is much better than what we currently have at the moment. People like me will be actively performing many legal transactions with exchanges like openbazaar and darkwallet to lay cover to peaceful individuals performing other types of trades. Higher volume will help mix and obscure these transactions further.  Other alts will have a problem because their limited userbase for getting sufficient volumes.

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January 26, 2015, 01:48:49 AM
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January 26, 2015, 02:22:27 AM
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The big issue I see with Bitcoin Dark Wallet is the 1 MB blocksize limit in Bitcoin.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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January 26, 2015, 02:28:05 AM
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The big issue I see with Bitcoin Dark Wallet is the 1 MB blocksize limit in Bitcoin.

Which will be 20MB before it reaches Beta.

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January 26, 2015, 03:25:21 AM
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The big issue I see with Bitcoin Dark Wallet is the 1 MB blocksize limit in Bitcoin.

Which will be 20MB before it reaches Beta.

Yes.  This is one thing that Gavin Andresen got right but in my opinion his proposal does not go far enough.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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January 27, 2015, 05:35:51 AM
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Darkwallet is not anonyous and can be traced. Evan Duffield of Darkcoin issued a security warning about it the other day explaining exactly why it doesn't work.

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January 27, 2015, 05:36:54 AM
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https://darkcointalk.org/threads/security-advisory-for-coinshuffle-and-darkwallet.3736/

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January 27, 2015, 07:23:32 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tmopl/security_advisory_for_coinshuffle_and_darkwallet/


About the issues they identify on darkwallet:

About 1 (change linking) Our plan is tagging output to avoid merging different mixing levels.

About 3 (unique outputs), I'm not sure the author understands our claims don't go so far, we're only claiming one of the outputs is mixed and more mixing is better, which seems to lead from their explanation as well.

About 4, I see how this can be a problem with coinjoin or coinshuffle and needs more thought about possible counter measures against attackers. At the moment the only thing we can use is the outputs to be mixed have to have funds and be owned by the attacker and this might be used as tool against spam/fingerprinting attacks.

So, from the point of view of darkwallet, it's not really new information, we strive to solve this issues but also for now work on an initial stable version with something simple that's working to then focus on actual improvements (for which there are many options).

We still think with our current (imperfect but workable) tools and adoption of such privacy technologies by more wallets the privacy in bitcoin can be improved.

We thank the author for their analysis, and would like more people doing the same. Kudos

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January 27, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
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What is this bitcoin dark wallet??
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January 27, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
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What is this bitcoin dark wallet??

http://darkwallet.is/

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February 03, 2015, 04:24:13 PM
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Trying very hard to get in contact with someone from DarkWallet for an interview about the new DarkLeaks project. Can someone help me get a hold of anyone on the core team?

My email is cmgillespiecc at gmail dot com. I'm incredibly interested in covering this new development.
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February 03, 2015, 04:34:54 PM
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Interested to use this one now Cheesy
i will try it and post here  Wink
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February 03, 2015, 04:44:12 PM
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Cool concept. I'll be sure to donate some.

SAME with you im already donate a little small amount for this Smiley
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