Let There Be Dark! Bitcoin Dark Wallet

[phillipsjk]

Will this implement coinjoin by default for transactions or enable one to participate continuously in the background when running?

Doing Coinjoin transactions in the background sounds like a bad idea to me.

First, it would require a network-connected machine to have access to your private wallet keys.

Second, even if randomized, the "spam" transactions may be distinguishable from real transactions.

The way coinjoin integration should work is: if you don't need to send immediately, the client should look for other coinjoin participants.

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[LiteCoinGuy]

lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992

[Trade101]

lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992

where can i buy Zerocoin? Can´t find them on Coinmarketcap or other sites, which offer an overview of
existing crypto currencies. Or is Zerocoin still to launch?

[NewLiberty]

Will this implement coinjoin by default for transactions or enable one to participate continuously in the background when running?

Doing Coinjoin transactions in the background sounds like a bad idea to me.

First, it would require a network-connected machine to have access to your private wallet keys.

Second, even if randomized, the "spam" transactions may be distinguishable from real transactions.

The way coinjoin integration should work is: if you don't need to send immediately, the client should look for other coinjoin participants.

I agree background transactions under the scenario you described would be a poor solution, one might easily imagine better implementations. 
The question was a sort of a shot in the dark as the Dark Wallet project seems opaque in what it delivers.
Is there some published feature list yet?  Or is it still at the stage of a bundle of hoped-for benefits and rhetoric?

[phillipsjk]

well, I have been using the sx tools to manually build transactions: without having the coins actually stored on my machine until I move them.

The project seems to be a effort to tie together a bunch of separate tools that together can replace Bitcoind that tries to do everything.

[NewLiberty]

well, I have been using the sx tools to manually build transactions: without having the coins actually stored on my machine until I move them.

The project seems to be a effort to tie together a bunch of separate tools that together can replace Bitcoind that tries to do everything.

We probably think about these terms differently.  So I translate in my head when I read this, so please excuse my misunderstanding.  I never think of coins as stored on any machine except all of them, in the block chain, but to me it seems what you are saying is that you have coins spendable by a private key which is only sometimes stored on your machine?
A private key can be recorded on a machine, or not.
Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

[phillipsjk]

Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

Yes. I have been using Addresses generated off-line with Vanitygen. I only copy the private key immediately before sending the funds. Using this as an outline, but moving the private key step down

I installed multibit for "normal" transactions, but have not been able to actually spend any funds with it yet.

I think technically, all the coins are actually stored in the Block-chain

PS: I am not necessarily advocating other people adopt my practice. Manual transactions are error-prone and may involve unusually large mining fees if you are not careful.

I hope to upgrade to N-of-M +P2SH transactions for savings, but that is likely off-topic.

[NewLiberty]

Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

Yes. I have been using Addresses generated off-line with Vanitygen. I only copy the private key immediately before sending the funds.

I installed multibit for "normal" transactions, but have not been able to actually spend any funds with it yet.

I think technically, all the coins are actually stored in the Block-chain

PS: I am not necessarily advocating other people adopt my practice. Manual transactions are error-prone and may involve unusually large mining fees if you are not careful.

I hope to upgrade to N-of-M +P2SH transactions for savings, but that is likely off-topic.

It seems a pretty safe method, except the needing to be careful part.
Sort of a manual form of trezor.

[phillipsjk]

It seems a pretty safe method, except the needing to be careful part.
Sort of a manual form of trezor.

trezor  also does key calculations off-machine.

I reasoned that while a separate machine is ideal, malware can still piggy-back on USB keys.

[LiteCoinGuy]

lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992

where can i buy Zerocoin? Can´t find them on Coinmarketcap or other sites, which offer an overview of
existing crypto currencies. Or is Zerocoin still to launch?

take a look at my link, first page. 

[minimalB]

Is there a site/blog (other than darkwallet.unsystem.net) where we can monitor the progress?

[traderman]

Darkcoin already has coinjoin working plus a few other thing in the pipeline.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0

[The 4ner]

Is it at all related to DarkWallet? Did DarkWallet ever even get started?
What a waste of donations. 

[bassmaster]

Is there a site/blog (other than darkwallet.unsystem.net) where we can monitor the progress?

Watching the code commits (https://github.com/darkwallet/darkwallet) seems to be the best way... the devs are not doing a good job on news updates and such.  But there is progress as you can see  :-)

[Wilikon]

It is amazing that, no matter how complex and math based this bitcoin Core ecosystem is, it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole. It is purely a reaction - counter reaction situation. We may not see the day of the end of this experimentation but I am grateful to be alive to see this.

The last IRS news makes me think how visionary Satoshi was.

[BTCisthefuture]

it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole.

I like that quote!  So true

[dewdeded]

Please provide all infos about Dark Wallet to the central coin privacy thread.

It will be added to OP.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=539777

[softron]

What does it do exactly.

[bananahoho]

It is amazing that, no matter how complex and math based this bitcoin Core ecosystem is, it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole. It is purely a reaction - counter reaction situation. We may not see the day of the end of this experimentation but I am grateful to be alive to see this.

The last IRS news makes me think how visionary Satoshi was.

Believe a bitcoin's coming, ups and downs, have greatly small disturbance, but can not be denied is the currency has the characteristics and Enlightenment of it, the future value of more people to be long-term focus. I hope we will be able to see all this

[Wilikon]

It is amazing that, no matter how complex and math based this bitcoin Core ecosystem is, it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole. It is purely a reaction - counter reaction situation. We may not see the day of the end of this experimentation but I am grateful to be alive to see this.

The last IRS news makes me think how visionary Satoshi was.

Believe a bitcoin's coming, ups and downs, have greatly small disturbance, but can not be denied is the currency has the characteristics and Enlightenment of it, the future value of more people to be long-term focus. I hope we will be able to see all this

So much FUD and not even version 1.0