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July 30, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
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I prefer anonymous e-wallet service.

In any case, the problem with mybitcoin is that they have no communication channel.

Wait, YOU want to be anonymous, or you want bank owner to be anonymous?

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July 30, 2011, 06:45:21 PM
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Bitcoin by design is decentralized currency. If you centralize it in some obscure services you are asking for problems. If you want to use Bitcoin bank, then bank real address, name, phone number, photo of owner's face confirmed by 3rd party should be ABSOLUTE MINIMUM for you to even consider storing money there.

I prefer anonymous e-wallet service with anonymous owner who have a reputation.

In any case, the problem with mybitcoin is that they have no communication channel. Even if they have not stolen my money, I still move out...because they shown poor services.
They do have a communication channel. This forum. They just choose not to use it, probably because they're pulling a scam.
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July 30, 2011, 06:46:13 PM
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They do have a communication channel. This forum. They just choose not to use it, probably because they're pulling a scam.

Or their bank wallet was stolen/destroyed and they decided to disappear.

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July 30, 2011, 06:47:33 PM
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Wait, YOU want to be anonymous, or you want bank owner to be anonymous?

I am not anonymous, but I certainly want an anonymous account. An anonymous owner is just more protection, especially if people can trust him.

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July 30, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
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They do have a communication channel. This forum. They just choose not to use it, probably because they're pulling a scam.

They should be pulled from the wiki. I only started using them because it was on there as an option for ewallets. This really sucks. He better get that shit back online soon.

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July 30, 2011, 06:49:36 PM
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Or their bank wallet was stolen/destroyed and they decided to disappear.
I fear this is it.  Sad news, if this is news at all.   No matter what, I think no one is overreacting in the end with how little anyone knows about the site yet has been dumping BTC in it like nothing, yet talk shit about Gox, who, while hacked, is on top of shit and very public with what is going on and how ways are made available to keep you secure.

At the least someone from the site could have a Twitter account if they don't want to post here.  I seriously feel bad for so many people.   I wonder what the people with the larger accounts are saying right now?   Where is the Bruce Wagners or other people who use the site?

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July 30, 2011, 06:50:33 PM
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Wait, YOU want to be anonymous, or you want bank owner to be anonymous?

I am not anonymous, but I certainly want an anonymous account.

I don't see how providing extensive info about bank company and his owner (real names/phone/fax/address/mail/mugshot) confirmed by 3rd party would make it impossible to provide anonymous accounts for their clients... or perhaps you misunderstood me. Communication channel was some forum account and people stored thousands of USD there? Christ...

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July 30, 2011, 06:53:02 PM
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I don't see how providing extensive info about bank company and his owner (real names/phone/fax/address/mail/mugshot) confirmed by 3rd party would make it impossible to provide anonymous accounts for their clients... or perhaps you misunderstood me.

IF the owner got arrested and questioned, they might figure out the location of the server and confiscate the money that sit on there.

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July 30, 2011, 06:57:17 PM
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At the least someone from the site could have a Twitter account if they don't want to post here.  I seriously feel bad for so many people.   I wonder what the people with the larger accounts are saying right now?   Where is the Bruce Wagners or other people who use the site?

The only thing we can do: learn our lessons and move on.

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July 30, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
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I don't see how providing extensive info about bank company and his owner (real names/phone/fax/address/mail/mugshot) confirmed by 3rd party would make it impossible to provide anonymous accounts for their clients... or perhaps you misunderstood me.

IF the owner got arrested and questioned, they might figure out the location of the server and confiscate the money that sit on there.


You CAN NOT trust any anonymous guy from Internet with your money. Otherwise we wouldn't need decentralized P2P currency.
What if he is police officer in the first place?

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You CAN NOT trust any anonymous guy from Internet with your money. Otherwise we wouldn't need decentralized P2P currency.
What if he is police officer in the first place?

Do you trust the silk road? The silk road for all we know could be a CIA operation designed to nap dealers.

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July 30, 2011, 07:06:21 PM
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You CAN NOT trust any anonymous guy from Internet with your money. Otherwise we wouldn't need decentralized P2P currency.
What if he is police officer in the first place?

Do you trust the silk road? The silk road for all we know could be a CIA operation designed to nap dealers.

Silk road doesn't know location of dealers. As a buyer you can be anonymous too, at least you can deny you ordered anything and they have no way to prove it with proper precautions. Buyer risks relatively small amount of BTC with each transation - there is reputation system built-in that reduces risk. With bank it's very different - potentially you risk A LOT of Bitcoins and scammer can gather "clients" operating for months before shutting down, there is no warning like bad reputation messages until it's too late.

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July 30, 2011, 07:14:21 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

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July 30, 2011, 07:35:10 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

hmm. and?

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July 30, 2011, 07:39:51 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

hmm. and?

And the hosting company won't do shit about your complaints. They have their own policies that they have to abide.

They aren't going to touch anyone's server because some guy put his server offline.

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July 30, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
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We need more competition! Because having only one wallet service round town is not a good idea!

I'm sorry but wallet services like these are just dumb.  Yes, they may be convenient but you're literally asking for your coins to get stolen, hacked, etc

Don't blame the concept of hosted, secured wallet services. Indeed Bitcoin will never go mainstream if they don't exist. Blame individual providers of BAD wallet services - not the idea itself.
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July 30, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

hmm. and?


I asked them to make sure the server was online. I didn't request for them to do anything specific, like editing apache configs or something. Also, shows what you know about hosting providers - a lot of them will touch your shit in the following cases:

1) server is hacked and is compromising the providers network
2) server is offline and there is a SLA in place for your services
3) illegal activity that needs to be investigated (mybitcoin.com)
4) you are on a managed hosting plan
5) you ask them to help with something (technical services that charge by the hour) if you are not on managed hosting
6) plenty of other instances


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July 30, 2011, 09:45:38 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

hmm. and?


I asked them to make sure the server was online. I didn't request for them to do anything specific, like editing apache configs or something. Also, shows what you know about hosting providers - a lot of them will touch your shit in the following cases:

1) server is hacked and is compromising the providers network
2) server is offline and there is a SLA in place for your services
3) illegal activity that needs to be investigated (mybitcoin.com)
4) you are on a managed hosting plan
5) you ask them to help with something (technical services that charge by the hour) if you are not on managed hosting
6) plenty of other instances



Bottom line, they aren't going to touch MyBitcoin's server (bring it online if customer intentionally shut it down) because some random person (like you) asked for it. There are plenty of instances where the customer gives permission to the host provider for extra services to access their server. There are plenty of PCI certified hosts that have to abide by the PCI guidelines in order to make your server PCI certified. They don't touch your shit if they don't got your permission.

2) Really? If the customer intentionally put the server offline, the SLA has no effect at all. "Hey, the customer brought his server offline. Lets bring it back up."

6) Plenty of other instances that are allowed of their hosting agreement.

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July 30, 2011, 11:58:48 PM
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Going to post this to LeaseWeb. Anyone want me to add/change anything?

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Hi,

This is in regard to an issue with the server that you host which runs www.mybitcoin.com, which is a Bitcoin wallet provider. The owner, Tom Williams, provides a service that allows people to store their funds on his server via transaction processing. Since his server is down and he is not responding to contact requests, this is affecting all of the (hundreds, thousands?) of users of his transaction service. This constitutes theft if he does not allow users to move their bitcoin wallet funds from his possession. If you are not aware of Bitcoins, they are a digital currency that has several international markets.

Please contact Tom Williams and/or have the server put back online (at least temporarily, so that the users can retrieve their funds from his digital service. If the users cannot get their funds then Tom Williams has stolen their money.

Feel free to contact me or see the post covering this issue on the Bitcoin forums: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0

Thank you,

Concerned User

You can't be serious, at least all dedicated hosting companies have polices that they will NOT TOUCH YOUR SHIT on the server. If they mess with his server contents, they are violating their own policy, and that can serve up a lawsuit against the hosting company itself.

hmm. and?


I asked them to make sure the server was online. I didn't request for them to do anything specific, like editing apache configs or something. Also, shows what you know about hosting providers - a lot of them will touch your shit in the following cases:

1) server is hacked and is compromising the providers network
2) server is offline and there is a SLA in place for your services
3) illegal activity that needs to be investigated (mybitcoin.com)
4) you are on a managed hosting plan
5) you ask them to help with something (technical services that charge by the hour) if you are not on managed hosting
6) plenty of other instances



Bottom line, they aren't going to touch MyBitcoin's server (bring it online if customer intentionally shut it down) because some random person (like you) asked for it. There are plenty of instances where the customer gives permission to the host provider for extra services to access their server. There are plenty of PCI certified hosts that have to abide by the PCI guidelines in order to make your server PCI certified. They don't touch your shit if they don't got your permission.

2) Really? If the customer intentionally put the server offline, the SLA has no effect at all. "Hey, the customer brought his server offline. Lets bring it back up."

6) Plenty of other instances that are allowed of their hosting agreement.



2. Yes, I have had customers halt their servers and leave the office. Then our monitors show the server as down so we turn it back on. SLAs for uptime % apply to this scenario. This isn't the case with mybitcoin but I was giving hypothetical situations.
6. you don't know jack shit about the agreement the mybitcoin has with leaseweb so stfu.


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July 31, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
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We need more competition! Because having only one wallet service round town is not a good idea!

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