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April 02, 2014, 07:31:53 AM
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I agree. 39 dead is not enough. The Venezuelan government should do its best to improve those numbers...

Compare it to the millions the US has killed in Iraq.

I see your point. Let us not talk about those 39 deaths. They do not count compared to Iraq, etc. The faster we forget them, the better.
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I see your point. Let us not talk about those 39 deaths. They do not count compared to Iraq, etc. The faster we forget them, the better.

Those 39 deaths were a great tragedy. But when the US media barks so much about that incident, it reminds me of this proverb:



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April 02, 2014, 04:10:33 PM
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I see your point. Let us not talk about those 39 deaths. They do not count compared to Iraq, etc. The faster we forget them, the better.

Those 39 deaths were a great tragedy. But when the US media barks so much about that incident, it reminds me of this proverb:





I had no idea Amnesty International looked like your description... Make sure to contact the reporters, infos included at the end of this article, to share with them your viewpoint.




Amnesty Reports Dozens of Venezuela Torture Accounts



Amnesty International has received dozens of accounts of torture allegedly carried out by government security forces in Venezuela since protests that have left at least 37 dead broke out in February.

“We’ve received reports from detainees who were forced to spend hours on their knees or feet in detention centers,” Amnesty wrote in a report, adding that other Venezuelans said they suffered sexual abuse and threats of murder. “Inhuman and degrading treatment inflicted on detainees appears to be intended to punish them for their involvement, or suspected involvement, in the protests,” Amnesty said.

The unrest started Feb. 4 when students demonstrated against a lack of security at their universities, sparking nationwide marches organized by political opposition leaders eight days later over issues including rising crime, shortages of basic goods and accelerating inflation. The unrest has persisted almost nightly as protesters clash with the National Guard and armed groups that support President Nicolas Maduro.

The government and members of the opposition must make a commitment to human rights and the rule of law, according to the report, “Venezuela: Human Rights at Risk Amid Protests.” Amnesty based its findings on interviews with government officials, human rights organizations and lawyers, alleged victims of abuse and witnesses of violence during protests.

Venezuela’s Information Ministry didn’t respond to a telephone call and e-mail message seeking comment on the report, which was made available in Spanish to reporters yesterday under embargo.

‘Cruel Treatment’

The government is investigating two cases of torture and 75 of “cruel treatment,” the Public Prosecutor’s office said yesterday in an e-mailed report, adding that 17 members of state security forces had been arrested.

“Human rights are respected in Venezuela,” Public Prosecutor Luisa Ortega Diaz said on state television March 28. “We’re going to investigate.”

More than 550 people have been wounded during the unrest, including anti-government protesters, Maduro supporters and bystanders, according to the London-based human rights watchdog. Eight members of the National Guard are among the dead, Amnesty said.

Amnesty since Feb. 12 has received reports of the use of pellet guns and tear gas shot directly at protesters at short range and without warning. Such practices violate international standards and have resulted in the death of at least one protester, it said. Demonstrators detained by government forces at times have been denied medical care and access to lawyers, Amnesty said.

‘Chemical Toxins’

“Amnesty views with worry the use of chemical toxins in high concentrations,” the non-governmental organization said. It recommended that all government security forces receive training on the correct use of force in protests and that operational plans to control public order be changed to comply with United Nations norms.

Amnesty called on Venezuela’s government to conduct an “exhaustive, independent and impartial” investigation into all reports of human rights violations and guarantee that detained protesters have access to lawyers, family members and medical care.

Amnesty expressed concern about Maduro’s March 5 statement urging supporters to take to the streets and stop opposition protests as well as the use of barricades by protesters and pro-government forces to shut down city avenues.

Elected last April to succeed Hugo Chavez, who died a month earlier from cancer, Maduro is struggling to slow the world’s fastest inflation and stimulate gross domestic product that according to analysts polled by Bloomberg will contract in 2014. The economic woes put into question past gains that have benefited the poorest of society, according to Amnesty.

“The grave situation the country faces today could have been avoided if the government had prioritized the promotion and protection of human rights, strengthened institutions that support the rule of law and fought high indexes of criminality,” it wrote.

‘Electric Shocks’

The Human Rights Center at the Andres Bello Catholic University in Caracas is aware of 30 cases of torture or bad treatment in Venezuela since protests started, Beatriz Borjas, a lawyer at the organization, said by telephone yesterday, adding that 27 of the cases involved students detained by state security forces.

“There are two cases that involved electric shocks, two cases that involved pepper gas and another two cases where they were doused with gasoline,” she said. “We’ve found there to be systematic conduct on the part of the state to inflict inhumane treatment on detainees because of similar reports from different days and detention centers.”

Marco Coello, an 18-year-old student in Caracas, was detained Feb. 12 and tortured by security forces after participating in a march for the first time, his mother, Doris Coello, said today by telephone. After being detained by plain clothes officials who did not identify themselves, he was taken to a basement and at gun point told to sign a confession stating that he had burned cars after the protest, she said.

The Public Prosecutor’s press office didn’t immediately respond to telephone messages left by Bloomberg News seeking comment on the allegations.

“They told him that they would kill him if he didn’t sign it,” she said, basing her account on conversations with her son. “He started to cry, but he wouldn’t sign it. They then wrapped him in foam sheets and started to hit him with rods and a fire extinguisher. Later, they doused him with gasoline, stating that they would then have evidence to charge him.”

Her son remains in jail, and authorities by law have until the end of the day today to file formal charges or release him, she said.

To contact the reporters on this story: Nathan Crooks in Caracas at ncrooks@bloomberg.net; Corina Pons in Caracas at crpons@bloomberg.net


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-01/amnesty-reports-dozens-of-venezuela-torture-accounts.html

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April 03, 2014, 03:26:58 PM
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The CIA is trying hard to create another Kiev in Caracas. They are not going to succeed.

Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

I've seen those food shortages 20 years ago in all eastern Europe. Of course it was the cia fault  , not the idiots in the government.
No wonder the french woke up so fast in only 2 years of socialist majority.
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April 03, 2014, 03:32:43 PM
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Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

There are plenty of Socialist nations around the world. Some of them are currently doing much better, when compared to the US allies.


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April 03, 2014, 03:37:07 PM
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Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

There are plenty of Socialist nations around the world. Some of them are currently doing much better, when compared to the US allies.

And those nations are.....?
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April 03, 2014, 04:53:01 PM
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Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

There are plenty of Socialist nations around the world. Some of them are currently doing much better, when compared to the US allies.

And those nations are.....?

Any socialist nations with an ironically named The Emperor at the helm I would presume...  Cheesy
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And those nations are.....?

China?

They are doing remarkably good. Actually they are doing even better than the US.


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April 04, 2014, 07:52:40 AM
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And those nations are.....?

China?

They are doing remarkably good. Actually they are doing even better than the US.

What's good for a country isn't good for it's people always.
My country was top exporter , we built one of the biggest building in the world at the time , canals, roads in the mountains while we had ratios and the stores were empty.

The average chinese is doing 100x worse than the american counterpart.

I'm part of the middle clas in my country with 3x times the average wage but i would exchange that for being poor in Norway.
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they are preparing for the light bearer
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Once the socialist system collapses they will rebound very quickly with better capital allocation and resource utilization. Argentina has a more traditional economy and will take time to heal the wounds that have been inflicted.

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What's good for a country isn't good for it's people always.

Talking about China? Well... the vast majority of the people have seen improvement in the quality of living. And China has achieved it, without any of the natural resources. They import almost all the raw materials. Yet... they have progressed so much.


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April 04, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
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The CIA is trying hard to create another Kiev in Caracas. They are not going to succeed.

Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

I've seen those food shortages 20 years ago in all eastern Europe. Of course it was the cia fault  , not the idiots in the government.
No wonder the french woke up so fast in only 2 years of socialist majority.

The French did wake up. Sadly, based on the new minister nominations, not hollande.
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April 04, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
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What's good for a country isn't good for it's people always.

Talking about China? Well... the vast majority of the people have seen improvement in the quality of living. And China has achieved it, without any of the natural resources. They import almost all the raw materials. Yet... they have progressed so much.

China does have a "natural resource": millions of cheap labor for the world. Millions of cheap labor without any union representation (another socialist irony). Millions of cheap labor leaving the countryside, emptying whole villages and ending up in deplorable living conditions.

I love my iPad. But I know exactly how it was build and by whom (not personally though of course). I love my sox. i love my gadgets. Made in China.

This is one of their many "natural resources": human sweat
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April 04, 2014, 06:20:40 PM
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The CIA is trying hard to create another Kiev in Caracas. They are not going to succeed.

Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

I've seen those food shortages 20 years ago in all eastern Europe. Of course it was the cia fault  , not the idiots in the government.
No wonder the french woke up so fast in only 2 years of socialist majority.

I remember France voted in the socialists in ~1989/1990, but didn't know it ended so quickly.
At least they showed an ability to change direction.

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April 04, 2014, 06:33:09 PM
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The CIA is trying hard to create another Kiev in Caracas. They are not going to succeed.

Yeah , they are stealing Venezuelan milk via the haarp project from the stores.
Comoon , it's just another socialist country going down the drain.

I've seen those food shortages 20 years ago in all eastern Europe. Of course it was the cia fault  , not the idiots in the government.
No wonder the french woke up so fast in only 2 years of socialist majority.

I remember France voted in the socialists in ~1989/1990, but didn't know it ended so quickly.
At least they showed an ability to change direction.

Not at all. The French are showing their inability to live without a King. The concept of being a (US definition of a) libertarian is as foreign to them as the 2nd Amendment.
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The people is getting tired of a corrupt goverment (comunist or capitalist) the situation of Venezuela is really bad, there's not safe place, controled by a corrupt goverment that stole the money of society or spend it in useless things, it's time to wake up and reach the freedom for the Venezuela people.
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The people is getting tired of a corrupt goverment (comunist or capitalist) the situation of Venezuela is really bad, there's not safe place, controled by a corrupt goverment that stole the money of society or spend it in useless things, it's time to wake up and reach the freedom for the Venezuela people.

Venezuela was always a corrupt nation. But Chavez performed a miracle and eliminated much of the bureaucracy and corruption. After Chavez was killed by the CIA, it went back to ground zero.


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April 05, 2014, 04:10:29 AM
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The people is getting tired of a corrupt goverment (comunist or capitalist) the situation of Venezuela is really bad, there's not safe place, controled by a corrupt goverment that stole the money of society or spend it in useless things, it's time to wake up and reach the freedom for the Venezuela people.

Venezuela was always a corrupt nation. But Chavez performed a miracle and eliminated much of the bureaucracy and corruption. After Chavez was killed by the CIA, it went back to ground zero.

Hahahahaha.... That was good... until the word "corruption"
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