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April 13, 2014, 03:35:43 AM
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The U.S. Government Should Butt Out of Venezuela
by Jacob G. Hornberger April 2, 2014

In an op-ed in the New York Times today, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro calls for peace in Venezuela. The socialist president has been besieged by demonstrations in which several protestors have been killed. The protesters focus on horrendous economic conditions brought about by Maduro’s socialist economic policies. Maduro is issuing a call for domestic peace.

The problem is that whenever a ruler who is independent of the U.S. Empire is in power, the U.S. national-security state apparatus, especially the CIA, oftentimes gets involved in the process, stirring up trouble and doing whatever it can to achieve the ouster of the ruler and his replacement with a pro-U.S. stooge, ideally one who is a military dictator. It’s no concern of the U.S. government how many foreign citizens die in the process.
http://fff.org/2014/04/02/the-u-s-government-should-butt-out-of-venezuela
The U.S. government does its best to keep its role in the process secret. That’s what “covert” operations are all about. They give the U.S. president the ability to falsely deny U.S. involvement in what is going on.


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April 13, 2014, 04:33:48 AM
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We should leave the world alone, but we never do.
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Thank god Obama is the POTUS. It would have been unimaginable if Bush or Romney was the current POTUS. Who knows what might have occurred? May be an invasion of Venezuela? Another one million civilian deaths?


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^^^ ROFLMAO... what now? A circular issued by the mythical organization Tupac Amaru to kill protesters? If there is actually a Tupac Amaru, then they might be a CIA funded outfit.  Grin


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April 13, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
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^^^ ROFLMAO... what now? A circular issued by the mythical organization Tupac Amaru to kill protesters? If there is actually a Tupac Amaru, then they might be a CIA funded outfit.  Grin

.. and they might be government dogs killing protesters too obviously...
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April 14, 2014, 08:22:14 PM
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The U.S. Government Should Butt Out of Venezuela
by Jacob G. Hornberger April 2, 2014

The problem is that whenever a ruler who is independent of the U.S. Empire is in power, the U.S. national-security state apparatus, especially the CIA, oftentimes gets involved in the process, stirring up trouble and doing whatever it can to achieve the ouster of the ruler and his replacement with a pro-U.S. stooge, ideally one who is a military dictator. It’s no concern of the U.S. government how many foreign citizens die in the process.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-cia-affiliate-tells-all-the-cia-role-behind-the-anti-government-protests-in-venezuela/5377803

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So now that we all agree the CIA is 100% behind the coup, should we give the Real Time Socialist Train Wreck a bit more time and trust things will get organically better in Venezuela?  Smiley
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I'm getting confused now Wilikon  Huh



So now that we all agree the CIA is 100% behind the coup..

I didn't realise we did all agree it was the US/CIA's fault - but given that we do, then...


.. should we give the Real Time Socialist Train Wreck a bit more time and trust things will get organically better in Venezuela?  Smiley

..this question doesn't make much sense.

What are you suggesting - we send in the US Marine Corps ?

How about the US/US money getting the hell out of Venezuela,  the Ukraine etc and leave the world to find its own way - rather than being perpetually shafted by the United States' duplicity and its fools gold.
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I'm getting confused now Wilikon  Huh



So now that we all agree the CIA is 100% behind the coup..

I didn't realise we did all agree it was the US/CIA's fault - but given that we do, then...


.. should we give the Real Time Socialist Train Wreck a bit more time and trust things will get organically better in Venezuela?  Smiley

..this question doesn't make much sense.

What are you suggesting - we send in the US Marine Corps ?

How about the US/US money getting the hell out of Venezuela,  the Ukraine etc and leave the world to find its own way - rather than being perpetually shafted by the United States' duplicity and its fools gold.

I will add a couple of  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes after my fake question next time.

The only push back from my various videos and images of abuses is to blame the CIA, NEVER what the Venezuelan government is doing to its own people. So it seems a lot of people agreed to close their eyes and blame Obama's CIA with the killing fields in Venezuela.

I am suggesting you to share what is going on in Venezuela now and not let all those people die quietly, as the Media is not doing its job.
Obviously for those who believes the CIA is behind a coup they will tell you all the negative press covering Venezuela is 100% US propaganda.

This is still a Socialist Train Wreck and we all know how it will end, with the Obama CIA's help or not.

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April 16, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
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We should leave the world alone, but we never do.
'murica Hell yeah?

Thank god Obama is the POTUS. It would have been unimaginable if Bush or Romney was the current POTUS. Who knows what might have occurred? May be an invasion of Venezuela? Another one million civilian deaths?

I agree with that statement to a point.  Meaning he isn't the best candidate for the job but instead the better of to evils.  I was a supporter of him in the beginning but I felt he was losing site of what he promised he would do when he ran for office.
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We should leave the world alone, but we never do.
'murica Hell yeah?

Thank god Obama is the POTUS. It would have been unimaginable if Bush or Romney was the current POTUS. Who knows what might have occurred? May be an invasion of Venezuela? Another one million civilian deaths?

I agree with that statement to a point.  Meaning he isn't the best candidate for the job but instead the better of to evils.  I was a supporter of him in the beginning but I felt he was losing site of what he promised he would do when he ran for office.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Obama is such a great guy Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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yesterday there was a documentary in Al Jazeera. According to it, there are some 80,000 Cuban doctors currently working in Venezuela, under the oil for services program initiated by Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. The poor Venezuelans are happy with the free healthcare which they are getting, but most of the health care workers are not happy about their salaries.


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April 17, 2014, 03:00:15 AM
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yesterday there was a documentary in Al Jazeera. According to it, there are some 80,000 Cuban doctors currently working in Venezuela, under the oil for services program initiated by Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. The poor Venezuelans are happy with the free healthcare which they are getting, but most of the health care workers are not happy about their salaries.

"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.
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"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.


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They aren't really talking the truth need to look at the information and double check to see if it is really true
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April 17, 2014, 03:28:03 AM
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"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.

So those 80 000 health care workers were paid with buckets of hot liquid asphalt? Why were they not happy then?
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April 17, 2014, 04:46:46 AM
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"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.

So those 80 000 health care workers were paid with buckets of hot liquid asphalt? Why were they not happy then?

I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.
I understand the deal between but maybe they get only half of the money their government actually makes from this deal.

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I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.

They receive standard Cuban salaries (plus a small deputation fee) from the Cuban government. The Cuban doctors are one of the lowest paid physicians in the world, and I am not surprised that they are not happy about their salaries.


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I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.

They receive standard Cuban salaries (plus a small deputation fee) from the Cuban government. The Cuban doctors are one of the lowest paid physicians in the world, and I am not surprised that they are not happy about their salaries.

So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to Smiley

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So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to Smiley

No. They don't have any such relocation rights. They are mostly deployed in the poorer neighborhoods. They can't relocate themselves to the posh localities and earn more money.


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