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April 13, 2018, 07:54:02 AM
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Did you trade in Tradesatoshi? Is there any problem for withdrawals?
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April 13, 2018, 08:28:17 AM
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I use tradesatoshi but this is not scam
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April 14, 2018, 09:04:02 AM
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I haven't used this one but going through its reviews, you won't think that it is, although please note that there are still scam complaints/poor reviews like every other exchange.

Aside from bittrex, I'm still using those exchanges which has tons of scam complaints but only with small amounts and so far trades are smooth.
That said, I think you should be fine as long as you'll trade in small amounts as exchanges are flagging accounts with high amount of money.

Also, You can check a certain coin's status here: https://tradesatoshi.com/Status

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April 14, 2018, 01:23:18 PM
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Did you trade in Tradesatoshi? Is there any problem for withdrawals?

Few threads I was able to dig:

Their official ANN thread: - (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1691388.0)

Fairly recently Scam Accusations:

Tradesatoshi.com SCAM - (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2890191.0)

Is TradeSatoshi Safe? Anyone Used It? - (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1997270.0)

I guess you really need some due diligence because engaging yourself in trading. Just try to invest few sats and see how it goes for you. Goodluck.

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April 14, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
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I did before and no problems encountered. However, it's been a long time, most likely there have been changes just like in other exchanges. Wait, you asked because you're planning to withdraw or just checking before using the site?
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April 14, 2018, 05:50:51 PM
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I haven't used this one but going through its reviews, you won't think that it is, although please note that there are still scam complaints/poor reviews like every other exchange.

Aside from bittrex, I'm still using those exchanges which has tons of scam complaints but only with small amounts and so far trades are smooth.
That said, I think you should be fine as long as you'll trade in small amounts as exchanges are flagging accounts with high amount of money.

Also, You can check a certain coin's status here: https://tradesatoshi.com/Status
Even on top exchangers do really have issues as well and its really inevitable but same as being said on here towards tradesatoshi i dont see a reason for it to be a scam basing on recent feedbacks. Issues are common and normal but yet this site is still operational and do continue as well.

Big transactions would normally caught exchangers attention thats why most of us will face up problems along the way.

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April 14, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
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Did you trade in Tradesatoshi? Is there any problem for withdrawals?
There are some articles that cover this area,so I'll link them down below:
https://www.abitgreedy.com/tradesatoshi/
https://www.forexbrokerz.com/brokers/Tradesatoshi-Review
Just give it a read,you should find what you're looking for.

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April 14, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
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No, it's not a scam. I used the site a few times already. Only once I had a problem with the withdrawal page but that was just because of a technical problem for a short period of time.
I contacted them and got a reply in a decent timing, and they helped me to resolve my issue.
As you didn't explain what was your problem it isn't easy to help you, but remember to read the news from time to time, often we get our answer on twitter, news page, etc


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April 14, 2018, 09:25:57 PM
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I haven't used tradsatoshi but I've seen people who are trading there who are sharing their experience there.

Is there any problem for withdrawals?
Just like what others are saying, if you are planning to withdraw why not withdraw it and see for yourself? There's no problem so far and they are starting to become popular. So far they have no problems base on others testimony about TS.
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April 14, 2018, 10:08:17 PM
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I used Tradesatoshi a few times, even held BTC on it for a few weeks, but so far I can't say it's a scam site.
Sometimes a wallet can hangup and it delays transactions. If you have troubles you should contact support. And have lots of patience sometimes. Cheesy
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January 27, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
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Yes, this exchange should be suspected of not having a clean practice (tradesatoshi SCAM?). They block me on chat cause saying their exchange engine is so poor (lagged, always must clear cache, severyl times maintanance) and after 5 minutes ban my account without any good reason, and mods lying in support, when i ask why i was banned they say: "Sorry but we detected unusual activity on your account and we freeze it." When i ask what excatly was "unusual activity' they can't proof that lie.
https://i.ibb.co/tmDxpgs/ts1.jpg
When i ask about 5 times what was "unusual activity" and why they need my id-photo they finally say that i break rule in chat  Cheesy so this is reason that they LOCK my account and they want my ID=photo and selfie (lol they can use id-photo to take credit for my ID) and this is proof thate modchri from support lying.

https://i.ibb.co/4jTHPWK/ts5.jpg

There is no rules about it in Term (https://tradesatoshi.com/Home/Terms). Only id-photo and selfie is needed to veryfiy Leevel 2, in Level 1 there is no rules about id-photo:
https://i.ibb.co/YPR9NmY/ts4.jpg

For now they stole my money, they don't want to give me back my account, so tradesatoshi is SCAM. You was warned, there is many posts about lose money there, this is poor exchange with SMALL volume, with terrible engine and server, mods can ban Your account without reason, if Yoy don't want lose money - chosse another exchange with better practice.
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March 29, 2019, 09:09:41 AM
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just for people to know and understand a lil bit...
 here is for reference and to help the cause!

with the fact that "TS"...imho =TRUE SHIT
 
they have started from March 24 2019 dropping their withdrawal fee to     0.25 sat/WU - 1 sat/B
 this is creating a huge gain in the mempool of unconfirmed transactions
 plus they are double spending the unconfirmed transactions so while everyone waits, they will be sitting and regaining the funds as the transactions never get confirmed and dropped by the network
 all unconfirmed and dropped transactions return the amounts back to the original holder.... TS
but ....
alas....
 there is a way to screw them in part.....

by retransmitting the transaction that is unconfirmed
 it will not let the transaction die and will hold accountable the originating senders.
to do this there are many transaction accelerators for free.
a few of them even have issues simply because the fee is way too low but a few of the free accelerators will send and retransmit the trxid and keep alive in mempool
so if everyone would start doing this like 2 times a day they would eventually run out of available cash and chock on their own behalf


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i would love to see them chock on their own tainted practices

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April 09, 2019, 10:15:04 AM
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Fair warning about tradesatoshi, they take forever to answer a support ticket, and when they finally do, they give you the run around , I sent them a support ticket to unlock my account, and my info 5 times, they say on 2 of them my info matched my details of when I registered, and needed me to verify again, so I sent again, along with a copy of my birth certificate, and ID, they say they don't match, which is a load of bull... I didn't have any trouble til I setup 2FA , and they can block that, which i'm sure is what they did..


If you have done as you have been directed, maybe you have to be patience and send a reminder from time. You already have a response from the site , maybe they are still working on it.
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April 10, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
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I don't think they are really a scam. Most people have major complains when it come to withdrawal. It might be an infrastructure issue but it has become too persistent. I only trade in Bittrex and Huobi Global exchanges. You can send a reminder to their support team or engage them via their social media channels most especially telegram and tag one of their Admins.

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April 10, 2019, 07:51:26 PM
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Do people aware on keep answering this thread not seeing the date? This is old and op didnt tend to make some updates regarding on his issue.

By the way, tradesatoshi might have some issues but i cant say that it isnt a scam.This is just a typical type of problem on where most exchangers do encounter.

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April 27, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
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Get out of TS now.

I've been there for years, with over 1,000 trades and never had any real issues apart from shit support and a demented set of trollbox rules. Loved the place: it was shitcoin heaven, with loads of cheap coins to play with.

Then they decided... something. I don't know what they're trying to do over there but the whole place has gone to hell. 75+ coins delisted in about a month, many without good reason (from discussions on a variety of channels) and some without the possibility of withdrawal (on working wallets - lost over 5 million coins on one because TS was messed up, nothing wrong with the wallet).

Then they suddenly inflict KYC randomly on people, with no possibility of adjusting your profile (and seriously, how many people have their real info in there when all it needs is a name and nothing else?) and requiring that the details on your ID match perfectly.

Their recent changes and fundamentally flawed KYC process just resulted in them keeping all my money, despite my ability to provide ID to prove who I am and everything else. Support has always been awful but they've recently taken a turn for the psychotic, refusing to help, refusing to fix stuff, refusing everything.

I always assumed people who had trouble there were just stupid or deliberately trying to scam or something. Not so. I'm totally legit (and KYC-passed on a multitude of other exchanges), have been there for years and just got fucked up the poop-chute by this thieving bunch of scum.

Get out now, while you still can.
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April 30, 2019, 10:56:21 AM
Last edit: April 30, 2019, 11:17:21 AM by Zemomtum
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Did you trade in Tradesatoshi? Is there any problem for withdrawals?
Most people do complain when it come to withdrawal of their token from TradeSatoshi Exchange. There are some scam accusations level against them but they always come around to defend them. In my own opinion, we should be very cautious on the type of exchanges we chose to trade.

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April 30, 2019, 11:20:08 AM
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Did you trade in Tradesatoshi? Is there any problem for withdrawals?
Most people do complain when it come to withdrawal of them token from TradeSatoshi Exchange.

Those are usually just people who are pissed off because they didn't get to sell their coins - which is normal when there's a delisting - or when no withdrawals are possible because the coin is broken - which is not the exchange's fault. I've lost coins like that before and you just have to suck it up or withdraw and hope someone revives it.

However, in my case, they kept 5,300,000 of a coin that was listed on their status page as "OK" but which I couldn't withdraw because of their system (max withdraw was set to zero despite the coin being active). And they've built a KYC system that makes no sense, keeping everything else I had. Support keeps repeating the same crap that doesn't apply and refusing to do anything, basically a huge "f*@k you" with no recourse. (Well, since they're UK-based, there's the Financial Ombudsman, who I'll be talking to, even if it's just to piss TS off with an investigation.)

Definitely avoid.
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April 30, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
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Maybe they are fine with small amounts but I wouldn't trust TradeSatoshi with large amounts.  They like to pull the KYC card when you have a lot of bitcoin.  They also list a lot of scam projects and delist certain coins without any prior notification. 
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May 01, 2019, 12:36:38 PM
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Tradesatoshi isn't a scam. I have been trading on it since last month. There are just some lapses at times but it's smooth most of the time. They actually delist shitcoins whenever needed. If you're having problems, you can report it to their support team immediately.
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