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April 23, 2018, 09:07:44 AM
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By the way, has anybody sussed out why I used the specific dates that I used for historical comparison?  (I’m referring to 30/05/2017, 13/04/2016, 22/04/2015, 03/04/2014, 07/05/2013, and 25/03/2012).

Moreover, where exactly did I get the data from since official stats are current day based and there is no historical view of them?

My intention is not to be smurky or a smart ass asking the above, but rather showing that data can be often taken for granted easily.

Clues:
-   It is not made up.
-   I was not around on the forum prior to 04th of January 2018 (newbie time).
-   I do not have inside information, nor did anyone on the forum provide this information to me.
-   I once checked a property value on a web page and wanted to see what price was like a few months before. Since this info was not accessible on the portal, I looked for a way to retrieve it. That’s the trigger.

The above is just a side game that does not need to be played by anyone. I even believe that perhaps it was better to abort the idea anticipating what may come as answers…

If you’re up to the game, please answer only if you have the proper key. Avoid all speculation (crystal Ball (one), stolen Tardis and so on), wild guesses, and so forth.

Cheers.

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April 23, 2018, 09:14:01 AM
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Back to the stats and the "Average online per day" has been baffling me as well. All I can think of is that it means simultaneously online. I think there is a period of time that you are considered logged in after every page load and that goes into the "Total time logged in" stat you see at the top of the page. If that timeout period is very short that might help explain why the "Average online per day" value is so low.

Yes, probably somewhere on the line you are indicating lies the answer to the puzzle. I think probably a heading readjustment for the indicator may be necessary, or a mouse-over text to display a bit more on the indicator's nature in general would be a nice feature on the global forum stats for those of us who read further into the information being displayed.

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April 27, 2018, 11:00:56 PM
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I do agree that posting these breakdowns of statistics have started after the merit system implementation, but isn't that what this system is set up for? Merit should incentivize people to do this, and it happens.

People putting time and effort in creating these threads and posts stimulates others to do so as well, because effort and time are being rewarded with merit, and that's something they are rightfully chasing now.

Shitposts won't be rewarded with merit, so these will eventually fade, where quality and time consuming posts will get rewarded, we'll be seeing these more. Result is a quality boost in the long run.
Trust me shitposts will take a lot of while to fade away. Atleast until Merit abusers don't fade away,shitposts won't. What is worse than shitposts is that people get merited for an application to a bounty campaign....
But anyhow,I myself really do like all the new statistics that people are coming up with,and hope this trend would continue for a long while ,its just that sometimes it gets annoying to see huge longass posts.

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April 28, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
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By the way, has anybody sussed out why I used the specific dates that I used for historical comparison?  (I’m referring to 30/05/2017, 13/04/2016, 22/04/2015, 03/04/2014, 07/05/2013, and 25/03/2012).

Moreover, where exactly did I get the data from since official stats are current day based and there is no historical view of them?

My intention is not to be smurky or a smart ass asking the above, but rather showing that data can be often taken for granted easily.

Clues:
-   It is not made up.
-   I was not around on the forum prior to 04th of January 2018 (newbie time).
-   I do not have inside information, nor did anyone on the forum provide this information to me.
-   I once checked a property value on a web page and wanted to see what price was like a few months before. Since this info was not accessible on the portal, I looked for a way to retrieve it. That’s the trigger.

The above is just a side game that does not need to be played by anyone. I even believe that perhaps it was better to abort the idea anticipating what may come as answers…

If you’re up to the game, please answer only if you have the proper key. Avoid all speculation (crystal Ball (one), stolen Tardis and so on), wild guesses, and so forth.

Cheers.


You probably took the needed data from web.archive.org  (https://web.archive.org/web/20120701000000*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats). Wink

Am I right? Smiley


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April 28, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
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You probably took the needed data from web.archive.org  (https://web.archive.org/web/20120701000000*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats). Wink

Am I right? Smiley

Yes, you are right. The site is great for archival purposes when there is no other way around and you need something approximate to a date/time and not spot-on. It’s not good at all on dynamic content sites, but the more html the better the results.

Well spotted!

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April 28, 2018, 07:19:08 PM
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You probably took the needed data from web.archive.org  (https://web.archive.org/web/20120701000000*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats). Wink

Am I right? Smiley

Yes, you are right. The site is great for archival purposes when there is no other way around and you need something approximate to a date/time and not spot-on. It’s not good at all on dynamic content sites, but the more html the better the results.

Well spotted!


I totally agree on that. Hopefully they will keep hosting the cached websites and other things too as long they can. I should donate $$$ to them again for offering such service for free.

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April 28, 2018, 07:36:14 PM
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I really agree what @pugman says about statistics and analytical post which can be used as a tool to earn merit which "deserves' it respectively.

 Meta before wasn't alive, even myself agree to it but when the new implementation appear,  then threads with statistic and analytic information pops out that really helps a lot to beginners to  what is happening and can also be what is missing and what others should know.
good thread, indeed, informative. Detailed. (Y)

But I have a question.

Did admin theymos decided personally to implement merit? I mean is he the only one who want it to be added or we have a jury?


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April 28, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
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<...> then threads with statistic and analytic information pops out that really helps a lot to beginners to  what is happening and can also be what is missing and what others should know.
I've got a feeling that, in general terms, beginners and alike seldom swing by Meta, so they're probably missing out on this kind of information (perhaps not too trivial for beginners where focus should be on forum structure, forum rules, post structure and best practices, and so on).

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Did admin theymos decided personally to implement merit? I mean is he the only one who want it to be added or we have a jury?
I've tried to google it for a while and could not find an exact answer. Forum search gave me this recent thread with different theories; none confirmed witty as they may be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335436.0

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April 29, 2018, 08:05:10 AM
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Did admin theymos decided personally to implement merit? I mean is he the only one who want it to be added or we have a jury?


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theymos put the idea forward for discussion in this thread. Ideas for improving post quality?

Ultimately, of course, it was his decision to implement his idea after listening to the various opinions offered.


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April 29, 2018, 09:46:47 AM
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theymos put the idea forward for discussion in this thread. Ideas for improving post quality?

Ultimately, of course, it was his decision to implement his idea after listening to the various opinions offered.
Thanks for pointing out that thread. Interesting for everyone to read through and see how the idea shifted from the original draft, where voting for posts and BTC were involved...

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April 29, 2018, 11:46:27 AM
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Interesting for everyone to read through and see how the idea shifted from the original draft, where voting for posts and BTC were involved...

I remember being quite dismissive of the idea originally as I thought it would be unworkable. When I saw the implementation of what the idea turned into I immediately changed my mind. The gaining of sMerit for your merited posts and then that filtering down is really what makes it work.

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May 16, 2018, 10:35:25 PM
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Important to bear in mind that ChartBuddy was a bot that would post charts every hour. If you were beating that, you might be taking things a bit too seriously Smiley

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May 17, 2018, 07:22:34 AM
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Important to bear in mind that ChartBuddy was a bot that would post charts every hour. If you were beating that, you might be taking things a bit too seriously Smiley

I wasn't aware a bot would be allowed to post so much without getting banned. I guess it was a consented bot, giving content to the section every hour, but without comments though. Perhaps informative for others to debate at times. If anyone tried that now I guess they wouldn't get very far before being reported.

So a Legendary bot we have ... probably an inspiration to the many bots that create accounts now days...

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