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April 20, 2018, 05:21:28 PM
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Found this during some searches today.  Looks like Bitmain registered S11, S11+ and F3 with Russian FSB.  Does anyone know what the F3 would be mining?

https://kargoline.ru/news/216-notifikatsiya-bitmain-antminer-s11-s11-f3-ot-12-04-2018g.html

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The unified register of notifications of the characteristics
Shipovannyh (cryptographic) means and
goods containing them
Kzo00001443 notification number

date of publication
11.04.2018

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ID 0100000
Kz000001443 notification number

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ASIC device for mining cryptocurrency, trademarks Bitmain'model: Antminer V9 Antminer, Antminer A3, Antrouter R1-LTC, Antminer S11, Antminer S11+, Antminer F3 and spare parts for them.

Product name ASIC devices for cryptocurrency mining, brand Bitmain* models: Antminer V9, Antminer, Antminer A3, Antrouter R1-LTC, Antminer S11, Antminer S11+, Antminer F3 and spare parts for them.

The manufacturer of the goods Bitmain Technologies Inc.
Address: Building 25, North Olympic Science & Technology Park,
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April 23, 2018, 07:16:05 PM
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I see an Alibaba seller offering Antminer S11 pre-order for $2900 - $3500.

Features:
Pre order of Bitmain AntMiner S11 22Th/s with PSU Preorder Ship on May 20-June 20:

Hash Rate: 22TH/s depending on batch. Variation of ±5% is expected
Power Consumption: 1340W; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU,93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Power Efficiency: 70 J/TH; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387
Dimensions: 350mm(L) x 135mm(W) x 158mm(H)
Cooling: 2x 12038 fans; Front fan: 6000rpm, Rear fan: 4300rpm
Operating Temperature: 0°C to 40°C
Network Connection: Ethernet
Frequency: Automatically set
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April 23, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
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F3 will be an ASIC for ETH. (If it is real)

E3 > F3

Let's hope Halong or Avalon/Canaan has something to counter these new hardware. Otherwise we're fucked.




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April 23, 2018, 08:06:10 PM
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I see an Alibaba seller offering Antminer S11 pre-order for $2900 - $3500.

Features:
Pre order of Bitmain AntMiner S11 22Th/s with PSU Preorder Ship on May 20-June 20:

Hash Rate: 22TH/s depending on batch. Variation of ±5% is expected
Power Consumption: 1340W; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU,93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Power Efficiency: 70 J/TH; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387
Dimensions: 350mm(L) x 135mm(W) x 158mm(H)
Cooling: 2x 12038 fans; Front fan: 6000rpm, Rear fan: 4300rpm
Operating Temperature: 0°C to 40°C
Network Connection: Ethernet
Frequency: Automatically set
If this listing is legit, it seems the S11 will have the same number of chips as the current S9 and they even managed to push more hash (almost 2x of a 13TH S9) out of the BM1387 chips that power the current S9s with the miners running more efficiently at the same time. Quite impressive if these specs are actually real.

For those interested in taking a look at this purported S11 on Alibaba, here it is.

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April 23, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
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F3 will be an ASIC for ETH. (If it is real)

E3 > F3

Let's hope Halong or Avalon/Canaan has something to counter these new hardware. Otherwise we're fucked.


So if this was Avalon releasing a new miner it would be all hunky dory but because its bitmain putting out better hardware its a bad thing?

This ignorant line of thinking has spread to most of bitcointalk and it really needs to be addressed. People just coming here to learn hear nothing but political attacks and have no way to discern facts from uneducated opinions :/

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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April 23, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
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It will always be a fan boy war between all these different manufacturers.

Just like XBOX guys versus PLAYSTATION guys.

I personally like the AvalonMiners and Canaan best at the moment because they are the most robust and customer friendly choice available at the moment.

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April 23, 2018, 09:00:20 PM
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One concern.  Per the website provided:

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This Antminer S11 is not only the first 10nm miner for retailuse but using less than half the energy per gigahash of the S9, but it is also our most powerful miner to enter mass production .

Yet the stated power consumption is 70J/TH.  The S9 is 0.098J/GH, or 98J/TH.  70 is not "less than half" of 98.

Also, 70J/TH @ 22TH = 1540 Watts, not 1340W as advertised, and thats just for the chips not including power supply losses, fans, controllers, etc.

Also concerned that the same chip number, BM1387, is being used for both the current 16nm chip and this proposed chip.  That is rather unusual to say the least.

This level of "sloppy" rings of a fake ad.

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One concern.  Per the website provided:

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This Antminer S11 is not only the first 10nm miner for retailuse but using less than half the energy per gigahash of the S9, but it is also our most powerful miner to enter mass production .

Yet the stated power consumption is 70J/TH.  The S9 is 0.098J/GH, or 98J/TH.  70 is not "less than half" of 98.

Also, 70J/TH @ 22TH = 1540 Watts, not 1340W as advertised, and thats just for the chips not including power supply losses, fans, controllers, etc.

Also concerned that the same chip number, BM1387, is being used for both the current 16nm chip and this proposed chip.  That is rather unusual to say the least.

This level of "sloppy" rings of a fake ad.

look at the ad

https://i.imgur.com/Xf10Fel.png full size

I see lies or errors just like you see.



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April 24, 2018, 02:44:18 AM
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This is another add

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://bitmainvtl.ru/antminer-s11-27-th-s/&xid=17259,15700023,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700186,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhAa7_iaS3tNrJe0xt9sUQF9sefhw

This one says 27 TH/s and 10nm with 189 chips.  Same number of chips as the S9 which makes me question it. 

The TH is inline with the claims of double the hash-rate on the Alibaba.  Same 10nm as Alibaba.  Calculated efficiency at 1,400watts is near .052j/Gh.
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Anyone who says they're doing it with BM1387 is lying outright. That'd be operating the chips at roughly 1GHz, which they're probably capable of doing but not at 0.05J/GH - probably more like 0.12J/GH to push that speed and definitely not with air cooling.

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April 24, 2018, 04:58:05 AM
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F3 will be an ASIC for ETH. (If it is real)

E3 > F3

Let's hope Halong or Avalon/Canaan has something to counter these new hardware. Otherwise we're fucked.


So if this was Avalon releasing a new miner it would be all hunky dory but because its bitmain putting out better hardware its a bad thing?

This ignorant line of thinking has spread to most of bitcointalk and it really needs to be addressed. People just coming here to learn hear nothing but political attacks and have no way to discern facts from uneducated opinions :/

Avalon and Halong didn't fork bitcoin and claim that their fork (like bcash) is the real one.

Bitmain did.

Also I don't remember those companies making alliances with scammers and fraudsters like Bitmain does. (Roger Ver, Craig Wright) They invite these retards to every crypto related (mostly bcash related) conference

Tldr, bitmain is toxic and I don't give 2 fucks if they disappear today.




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Canaan also doesn't build bottom-dollar gear and sell for 400% markup whenever it's convenient. By "bottom dollar" I mean built as cheaply as possible, spec'd too high for reliable long-term use and shipped with a mediocre warranty.

Bitmain is entirely self-serving. Sure they make hardware available to the masses, but they're in direct competition with their own customers and have little qualm about openly ripping off the entire world. The whole Cash shenanigan didn't help matters at all.

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So this is why most of my chinese friends are starting to sell their S9s even though BTC is going up...........I doubt the validity of these claims though. Its probably something like 18TH@1400W
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Just received this email from bitmain, might be relevant for the discussion

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Dear subscriber,

We are writing to inform you that we have received reports that some fraudulent sellers or scammers are trying to sell next-generation models of Bitmain’s Antminers, such as Antminer S10 or S11, none of which exist yet. The latest Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash miner from Bitmain continues to be the Antminer S9, which can be purchased on www.bitmain.com

We sell miners only on www.bitmain.com We do not have any physical location, in China or abroad, where you can purchase Bitmain’s miners. There is no other way to purchase Bitmain's products from us.

If the option to buy a product that is listed on the website is not there, the product is sold out and there will likely be another batch of that product soon.

If we know the date or time for the next batch releases of any product, we announce it on our Facebook page (facebook.com/Bitmain) or Twitter account (twitter.com/Bitmaintech).

The price of a batch is usually only available when the batch is released.

We wish you all a happy mining experience with Bitmain’s products.

Regards,

The Bitmain team

Apparently S11 does not exist "yet"



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I got the same warning from bitmain

Quote from: Bitmain
Dear subscriber,

We are writing to inform you that we have received reports that some fraudulent sellers or scammers are trying to sell next-generation models of Bitmain’s Antminers, such as Antminer S10 or S11, none of which exist yet. The latest Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash miner from Bitmain continues to be the Antminer S9, which can be purchased on www.bitmain.com

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April 25, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
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Canaan also doesn't build bottom-dollar gear and sell for 400% markup whenever it's convenient. By "bottom dollar" I mean built as cheaply as possible, spec'd too high for reliable long-term use and shipped with a mediocre warranty.


What about the fact that the Avalon 6 units never worked in spec and overheated in 70f temps? They sunk my last datacenter with their defective product. They swept all those problems under the rug because they were about to be bought out in that failed deal a while back.

The Avalon 841 seems to have a similar problem after they sneakily changed the specs from 40c to 30c without telling anyone.

So I dont think your argument about the quality of Canaan gear is 100% accurate. I have managed thousands and thousands of Avalon miners so I am speaking from first hand experience.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Dear subscriber,
We are writing to inform you that we have received reports that some fraudulent sellers or scammers are trying to sell next-generation models of Bitmain’s Antminers, such as Antminer S10 or S11, none of which exist yet. The latest Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash miner from Bitmain continues to be the Antminer S9, which can be purchased on www.bitmain.com
We sell miners only on www.bitmain.com We do not have any physical location, in China or abroad, where you can purchase Bitmain’s miners. There is no other way to purchase Bitmain's products from us.
If the option to buy a product that is listed on the website is not there, the product is sold out and there will likely be another batch of that product soon.
If we know the date or time for the next batch releases of any product, we announce it on our Facebook page (facebook.com/Bitmain) or Twitter account (twitter.com/Bitmaintech).
The price of a batch is usually only available when the batch is released.
We wish you all a happy mining experience with Bitmain’s products.
Regards,
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@ op please write scam in your title.

As for :
S-9
T-1
avalon 841

all three have issues.

but  I did decide to keep the 5x T1's sent to me for testing/demo.
I like -ck's firmware updates  and don't mind the pool limitations.

My avalon comes today  I will see how cool I can keep it.
It appears that I won't be able to have a lot of them as 30c or 86f is not possible to do in the main solar array loft during the summer.

and s-9's break a lot.

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April 25, 2018, 05:32:14 PM
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Dear subscriber,
We are writing to inform you that we have received reports that some fraudulent sellers or scammers are trying to sell next-generation models of Bitmain’s Antminers, such as Antminer S10 or S11, none of which exist yet. The latest Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash miner from Bitmain continues to be the Antminer S9, which can be purchased on www.bitmain.com
We sell miners only on www.bitmain.com We do not have any physical location, in China or abroad, where you can purchase Bitmain’s miners. There is no other way to purchase Bitmain's products from us.
If the option to buy a product that is listed on the website is not there, the product is sold out and there will likely be another batch of that product soon.
If we know the date or time for the next batch releases of any product, we announce it on our Facebook page (facebook.com/Bitmain) or Twitter account (twitter.com/Bitmaintech).
The price of a batch is usually only available when the batch is released.
We wish you all a happy mining experience with Bitmain’s products.
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The Bitmain team


@ op please write scam in your title.

Seems more like damage control from Bitmain.  I'm sure they want to get rid of their S9 and other lower efficiency sha256 miners without having to worry about potential buyers being scared off by the coming wave of difficulty increases.  They also don't want to be viewed as giving preferential treatment of promising large orders to insiders while limiting others to a single unit per order. 

I think by the end of the year many of us will be mining with S11 Antminers.  We'll see how accurate that belief is soon.

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April 25, 2018, 05:52:13 PM
Last edit: April 26, 2018, 01:30:40 AM by frodocooper
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Seems more like damage control from Bitmain.  I'm sure they want to get rid of their S9 and other lower efficiency sha256 miners without having to worry about potential buyers being scared off by the coming wave of difficulty increases.  They also don't want to be viewed as giving preferential treatment of promising large orders to insiders while limiting others to a single unit per order.  

I think by the end of the year many of us will be mining with S11 Antminers.  We'll see how accurate that belief is soon.

Think you're right and it's also likely that the reseller posts are indeed scams. No Bitmain reseller would risk their relationship by doing something stupid like this.



Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to remove a nested quote.
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April 25, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
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Think you're right and it's also likely that the reseller posts are indeed scams. No Bitmain reseller would risk their relationship by doing something stupid like this.

If you read the email and everything on the Bitmain site you will notice they DO NOT have ANY official resellers.

The only official way to buy their products is via the website.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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