Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Debt Deal

[rainingbitcoins]

I'm letting the media define my definitions and then you come back with "Fox News being so incredibly far to the right"? Please, pot calling the kettle black there dude. If you think MSNBC is Center-right then your the one that needs to open your ears because your not hearing the undertones, the quick quotes and jabs especially by those like Maddow

No, I call FNC far right based on the fact that no other news source in the entire world comes close to how conservative they are based on exactly what they espouse. We're talking about a network that once blasted Mr. Rogers Neighborhood for teaching kids to share. And tried to smear the president as an elistist for using Grey Poupon mustard on his hamburger. This isn't exactly subtle propaganda here. It's hitting-you-over-the-head-with-a-baseball-bat propaganda.

"Quick quotes and jabs" have zero to do with MSNBC's political slant. Yes, they are pro-Democrat/anti-Republican, generally. But Democrats aren't the left. Look how hard of a time you have in understanding this.

I would argue that is not true at all. Those that are complaining the most are clearly complaining about the sub million "rich" people as much as those making 10 million. Why are Reid and Obama so damn crazy about the $250k/yr number, does anyone here really think $250K/yr is rich?

Buffett and Soros are as liberal as you can get and that's who has the left ear of D.C., come on...

What the hell? Why do you equate what politicians are saying with what actual people on the left think? Politicians aren't people, and the ones you name aren't even on the left. It's amazing how solidly your perspective is shaped by mainstream media. I see you ignored my question about what you read, which either means you read nothing, or whatever you read is so embarassingly bad that you know I'd laugh at it.

And I'm telling you as someone on the left that we generally aren't angry at all about some doctor that makes $150k a year. He doesn't shape public policy.

At the same time, we aren't pulling out our tiny violins for him having to pay 25% taxes because we know damn well what it's like to live on $20k a year and it's hard to feel sorry for that guy when there are people who can't even afford to heat their homes in the winter. I notice those people never seem to come up in your posts. Only the hardships of the poor folks who might have to sell their boat to pay for their kids' private school.

Which kind of socialism? Coercive and violent socialism or voluntary and peaceful socialism?

Sorry, I was responding to so much last time that I overlooked your quote. Peaceful socialism would be ideal. But nothing resembling socialism, peaceful or otherwise, is ever going to happen in the U.S. in my lifetime, so it's all basically hypothetical.

If you made $375k a year and you "owed" $100k on that, you'd know how much that stings and you'd get the feeling that the hate for the rich goes a lot deeper than just the billionaires. It's a fucking joke and I resent it like hell.

Awww poor little fella. Look, don't you just feel so bad for this guy who may or may not be resented by someone somewhere while he relaxes in his pool in his gated community? Because we all know that nobody ever hates on the poor for being poor, and that they suffer no consequences for that.

The funny thing is that you'll probably perceive this post as more of that stinging hate because you don't even know what actual hate feels like. What I don't understand is how someone can have it better than 99.9% of the people in the entire world and still want more.

[JBDive]

@rainingbitcoins Not going to bother quoting as I would not know where to start, you prove no points and just spout the same rhetoric. If you don't think Soros is far left and runs this country as much as the military machine then oh well.

I did notice you didn't really respond to my question that wouldn't it be fair for those mining with 10G/h have to share those hash rates with those mining with 100M/h or hell some CPU miner out there. I mean that's what your proposing we do to the tax code.

I'll also answer you but I see no reason to as it makes no matter but I read or have read everything from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, tons of history, to modern daily publications from the primary papers and such like NYT, Washington Post, WSJ and so forth and of course as any good BTC miner and good geek should, Daniel Suarez. Pleasure reading I don't do much in the way of books anymore but I read the entire Foundation series starting at 15 and by 18 had gone through Lord of the Rings at least twice not to mention all of Orson Scott Card's Ender and Dune series then over to some Clancy and Ludlum. As to what's on the TV, not much. It may be on but I am rarely paying attention as the quality of what they call entertainment or news is pathetic. I will hit CNBC, MSNBC and Fox in the AM, mainly CNBC and MSNBC, on Sunday I catch This Week but other than that it's on as background noise or playing something for the kids, or maybe I've got Netflix running (It Crowd). I'd say you won't find many people as rounded in what I have covered either through school or for pleasure earlier in my life and now with less time for reading anything not job related I find I tend to try and catch things on audio book, lots of listing to old CBS radio, Sherlock Holmes and other mystery stuff and of course probably 12 hours a week of various tech podcast (thank you Audacity and change tempo, BTW anyone know a tool to batch podcast tempo change).

[rainingbitcoins]

I'll also answer you but I see no reason to as it makes no matter but I read or have read everything from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, tons of history, to modern daily publications from the primary papers and such like NYT, Washington Post, WSJ and so forth and of course as any good BTC miner and good geek should, Daniel Suarez. Pleasure reading I don't do much in the way of books anymore but I read the entire Foundation series starting at 15 and by 18 had gone through Lord of the Rings at least twice not to mention all of Orson Scott Card's Ender and Dune series then over to some Clancy and Ludlum. As to what's on the TV, not much. It may be on but I am rarely paying attention as the quality of what they call entertainment or news is pathetic. I will hit CNBC, MSNBC and Fox in the AM, mainly CNBC and MSNBC, on Sunday I catch This Week but other than that it's on as background noise or playing something for the kids, or maybe I've got Netflix running (It Crowd). I'd say you won't find many people as rounded in what I have covered either through school or for pleasure earlier in my life and now with less time for reading anything not job related I find I tend to try and catch things on audio book, lots of listing to old CBS radio, Sherlock Holmes and other mystery stuff and of course probably 12 hours a week of various tech podcast (thank you Audacity and change tempo, BTW anyone know a tool to batch podcast tempo change).

"I've read the full works of Ayn Rand plus several right-wing authors and the Bible. I guess you could say I'm well-rounded!"

Good Lord. No wonder you think anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh is pratically communist. You've never spend two seconds listening to anything anyone on the left has ever said outside of centrist politicians and their empty platitudes. Thanks for answering, I guess, but seriously that is about as far from well-rounded as you can get. You have no concept of anything to the left of a Democrat because you don't even know it exists. That's actually really sad, and a testament to power of modern American propaganda.

[FlipPro]

I'll also answer you but I see no reason to as it makes no matter but I read or have read everything from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, tons of history, to modern daily publications from the primary papers and such like NYT, Washington Post, WSJ and so forth and of course as any good BTC miner and good geek should, Daniel Suarez. Pleasure reading I don't do much in the way of books anymore but I read the entire Foundation series starting at 15 and by 18 had gone through Lord of the Rings at least twice not to mention all of Orson Scott Card's Ender and Dune series then over to some Clancy and Ludlum. As to what's on the TV, not much. It may be on but I am rarely paying attention as the quality of what they call entertainment or news is pathetic. I will hit CNBC, MSNBC and Fox in the AM, mainly CNBC and MSNBC, on Sunday I catch This Week but other than that it's on as background noise or playing something for the kids, or maybe I've got Netflix running (It Crowd). I'd say you won't find many people as rounded in what I have covered either through school or for pleasure earlier in my life and now with less time for reading anything not job related I find I tend to try and catch things on audio book, lots of listing to old CBS radio, Sherlock Holmes and other mystery stuff and of course probably 12 hours a week of various tech podcast (thank you Audacity and change tempo, BTW anyone know a tool to batch podcast tempo change).

"I've read the full works of Ayn Rand plus several right-wing authors and the Bible. I guess you could say I'm well-rounded!"

Good Lord. No wonder you think anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh is pratically communist. You've never spend two seconds listening to anything anyone on the left has ever said outside of centrist politicians and their empty platitudes. Thanks for answering, I guess, but seriously that is about as far from well-rounded as you can get. You have no concept of anything to the left of a Democrat because you don't even know it exists. That's actually really sad, and a testament to power of modern American propaganda.

+1
I am well versed in conservative literature and ideology. Most of their ideology consists on if's and maybes and no actual problem solving.

Here's a brief example,

Maybe IF we give the richest people in America all their money back maybe they'll create jobs for the less fortunate!
Maybe IF we get rid of social welfare programs like commie food-stamps, and socialist medicare people will finally get jobs with the money that we gave to the rich people!
Maybe IF these people are now able to get mediocre jobs from their working overloads, we can get then shove them into a nice house with a variable interest rates and these people will finally be living the America dream!
Maybe IF we kick every single illegal immigrant out of this country, all of a sudden lazy Americans will get up and start doing these "crappy" jobs that all these illegal immigrants are more than happy to perform...
Maybe IF we start a war with this country, all their people will love us and we will bring freedom to that part of the world thus making new investors who will buy into our crap!

God I could go on for about 5 hours. People conservatism/hardcore libertarianism is all about hypothetical voodoo ideology that has been proven NOT TO WORK , and nothing about actually FIXING PROBLEMS. Which is why when America let these Tea Baggers back into the house of representatives, and 8 months later we are going BACK to another recession, and have created 0 jobs since they have been obstructing everything that the president suggests.

[JBDive]

I'll also answer you but I see no reason to as it makes no matter but I read or have read everything from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, tons of history, to modern daily publications from the primary papers and such like NYT, Washington Post, WSJ and so forth and of course as any good BTC miner and good geek should, Daniel Suarez. Pleasure reading I don't do much in the way of books anymore but I read the entire Foundation series starting at 15 and by 18 had gone through Lord of the Rings at least twice not to mention all of Orson Scott Card's Ender and Dune series then over to some Clancy and Ludlum. As to what's on the TV, not much. It may be on but I am rarely paying attention as the quality of what they call entertainment or news is pathetic. I will hit CNBC, MSNBC and Fox in the AM, mainly CNBC and MSNBC, on Sunday I catch This Week but other than that it's on as background noise or playing something for the kids, or maybe I've got Netflix running (It Crowd). I'd say you won't find many people as rounded in what I have covered either through school or for pleasure earlier in my life and now with less time for reading anything not job related I find I tend to try and catch things on audio book, lots of listing to old CBS radio, Sherlock Holmes and other mystery stuff and of course probably 12 hours a week of various tech podcast (thank you Audacity and change tempo, BTW anyone know a tool to batch podcast tempo change).

"I've read the full works of Ayn Rand plus several right-wing authors and the Bible. I guess you could say I'm well-rounded!"

Good Lord. No wonder you think anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh is pratically communist. You've never spend two seconds listening to anything anyone on the left has ever said outside of centrist politicians and their empty platitudes. Thanks for answering, I guess, but seriously that is about as far from well-rounded as you can get. You have no concept of anything to the left of a Democrat because you don't even know it exists. That's actually really sad, and a testament to power of modern American propaganda.

Just keep insulting and misquoting, it shows you, like most on the left, have no argument, just insults and name calling.

[JeffK]

Since you ignored me, let me ask again...

I'm advocating socialism.

Which kind of socialism? Coercive and violent socialism or voluntary and peaceful socialism?

When people on the left complain about the rich, they're generally not complaining about some guy that makes $100k a year or whatever - they're complaining about the multi-billionaires who get most of their earnings from capital gains, taxed at a whopping 15%.

If you made $375k a year and you "owed" $100k on that, you'd know how much that stings and you'd get the feeling that the hate for the rich goes a lot deeper than just the billionaires. It's a fucking joke and I resent it like hell.

I advocate coercive. You owe a portion of what SOCIETY gives you back. Anyone taking much more out of the system, like the rich earning tons of money off labor but refusing to pay a minor amount of that back in taxes is a parasite.

[deepceleron]

I advocate coercive. You owe a portion of what SOCIETY gives you back. Anyone taking much more out of the system, like the rich earning tons of money off labor but refusing to pay a minor amount of that back in taxes is a parasite.

The solution to the debt crisis is to raise taxes to pay it off. If you keep paying the minimums on your credit card and the balance keeps increasing, it won't be long before the bank owns you.

That is the problem with the no revenue increase debt deal that was made, the election-conscious government has been perverted by listening to a vocal minority of these no-new-taxes tea partiers. The greatest trick the devil ever played was getting the poorest and most ignorant of the Rush/Hannity/Beck listeners to rally for less taxes on the rich.

[JeffK]

I advocate coercive. You owe a portion of what SOCIETY gives you back. Anyone taking much more out of the system, like the rich earning tons of money off labor but refusing to pay a minor amount of that back in taxes is a parasite.

The solution to the debt crisis is to raise taxes to pay it off. If you keep paying the minimums on your credit card and the balance keeps increasing, it won't be long before the bank owns you.

That is the problem with the no revenue increase debt deal that was made, the election-conscious government has been perverted by listening to a vocal minority of these no-new-taxes tea partiers. The greatest trick the devil ever played was getting the poorest and most ignorant of the Rush/Hannity/Beck listeners to rally for less taxes on the rich.

Pretty much this.

[FlipPro]

The greatest trick the devil ever played was getting the poorest and most ignorant of the Rush/Hannity/Beck listeners to rally for less taxes on the rich.

+1 for ownage

[rainingbitcoins]

Just keep insulting and misquoting, it shows you, like most on the left, have no argument, just insults and name calling.

What more can you say to someone who is so proud of such a paper-thin understanding of the world, with no desire to increase that understanding if it means being exposed to something that he doesn't automatically agree with or isn't right smack dab in the middle of the mainstream?

At least a lot of the people around here seem curious about these things and try to challenge themselves, read from independent sources, entertain alternative viewpoints, stuff like that. If they don't come to the right conclusions, well, at least they tried. You're apparently content to zone out on the mindless grey expanse of TV news and actually take it seriously, so I kinda feel like I'm wasting my time here.

[FlipPro]

I'll also answer you but I see no reason to as it makes no matter but I read or have read everything from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, tons of history, to modern daily publications from the primary papers and such like NYT, Washington Post, WSJ and so forth and of course as any good BTC miner and good geek should, Daniel Suarez. Pleasure reading I don't do much in the way of books anymore but I read the entire Foundation series starting at 15 and by 18 had gone through Lord of the Rings at least twice not to mention all of Orson Scott Card's Ender and Dune series then over to some Clancy and Ludlum. As to what's on the TV, not much. It may be on but I am rarely paying attention as the quality of what they call entertainment or news is pathetic. I will hit CNBC, MSNBC and Fox in the AM, mainly CNBC and MSNBC, on Sunday I catch This Week but other than that it's on as background noise or playing something for the kids, or maybe I've got Netflix running (It Crowd). I'd say you won't find many people as rounded in what I have covered either through school or for pleasure earlier in my life and now with less time for reading anything not job related I find I tend to try and catch things on audio book, lots of listing to old CBS radio, Sherlock Holmes and other mystery stuff and of course probably 12 hours a week of various tech podcast (thank you Audacity and change tempo, BTW anyone know a tool to batch podcast tempo change).

"I've read the full works of Ayn Rand plus several right-wing authors and the Bible. I guess you could say I'm well-rounded!"

Good Lord. No wonder you think anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh is pratically communist. You've never spend two seconds listening to anything anyone on the left has ever said outside of centrist politicians and their empty platitudes. Thanks for answering, I guess, but seriously that is about as far from well-rounded as you can get. You have no concept of anything to the left of a Democrat because you don't even know it exists. That's actually really sad, and a testament to power of modern American propaganda.

Just keep insulting and misquoting, it shows you, like most on the left, have no argument, just insults and name calling.

Wait we're the ones with the insults?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGY7ELkCyE&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM3oww9Vk-c&feature=player_embedded&list=PL18E94D79CF7CB44D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8xptCpnNh4&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNl6-j9x5w&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AGZlwLVKU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZWRyMCxRs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWXzuoKjSU&feature=related

Jesus Christ I could go on for days. I think Republicans are just people who haven't had the privileged or time to see the truth...

[rainingbitcoins]

Hey JBDive, I came across an article that may interest you. Nothing really special about it, I guess - similar articles are posted all the time, but it should at least go to show you that what I'm saying is grounded in reality.

Obama isn't weak (he just isn't a liberal).

Excerpt:

Obama is not a flaccid Jimmy Carter, as some of his critics insist. He is instead a Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- but a bizarro FDR. He has mustered the legislative strength of his New Deal predecessor -- but he has channeled that strength into propping up the very forces of "organized money" that FDR once challenged.

On healthcare, for instance, Obama passed a Heritage Foundation-inspired bailout of the private health insurance industry, all while undermining other more-progressive proposals. On foreign policy, he escalated old wars and initiated new ones. On civil liberties, he not only continued the Patriot Act and indefinite detention of terrorism suspects but also claimed the right to assassinate American citizens without charge.

On financial issues, he fought off every serious proposal to reregulate banks following the economic meltdown; he preserved ongoing bank bailouts; and he resisted pressure to prosecute Wall Street thieves. On fiscal matters, after extending the Bush tax cuts at a time of massive deficits, he has used the debt ceiling negotiations to set the stage for potentially massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare -- cuts that would be far bigger than any of his proposed revenue increases.

Do you see why, when you call people like this "far left", people might not take you seriously? It's like the bar for having that leftist designation moves a little bit to the right every year. 40 years ago you could be a Republican in favor of universal health care. Today, you can argue for the privatization of anything and everything and still have people accuse you of being a radical leftist. Does that maybe seem a little... strange to you? Or have you internalized it so far that you can't see anything odd about it at all?

[GideonGono]

Please define "Real socialism," lest i make assumptions an needlessly strawman you.

Closer to socialism as defined by Marx or Lenin, further from socialism as a shorthand for European Social Democracy, as it so frequently and misleadingly gets used today. Basically, I think that the workers should control the means of production, and that too often the people who work the hardest in our current society are the ones getting paid the least.

As defined by Marx in the Communist Manifesto?

The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands:

   1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
   2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
   3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
   4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
   5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
   6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
   7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
   8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
   9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[13]

The implementation of these policies would, the authors believed, be a precursor to the stateless and classless society.

[JBDive]

Hey JBDive, I came across an article that may interest you. Nothing really special about it, I guess - similar articles are posted all the time, but it should at least go to show you that what I'm saying is grounded in reality.

Obama isn't weak (he just isn't a liberal).

Excerpt:

Obama is not a flaccid Jimmy Carter, as some of his critics insist. He is instead a Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- but a bizarro FDR. He has mustered the legislative strength of his New Deal predecessor -- but he has channeled that strength into propping up the very forces of "organized money" that FDR once challenged.

On healthcare, for instance, Obama passed a Heritage Foundation-inspired bailout of the private health insurance industry, all while undermining other more-progressive proposals. On foreign policy, he escalated old wars and initiated new ones. On civil liberties, he not only continued the Patriot Act and indefinite detention of terrorism suspects but also claimed the right to assassinate American citizens without charge.

On financial issues, he fought off every serious proposal to reregulate banks following the economic meltdown; he preserved ongoing bank bailouts; and he resisted pressure to prosecute Wall Street thieves. On fiscal matters, after extending the Bush tax cuts at a time of massive deficits, he has used the debt ceiling negotiations to set the stage for potentially massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare -- cuts that would be far bigger than any of his proposed revenue increases.

Do you see why, when you call people like this "far left", people might not take you seriously? It's like the bar for having that leftist designation moves a little bit to the right every year. 40 years ago you could be a Republican in favor of universal health care. Today, you can argue for the privatization of anything and everything and still have people accuse you of being a radical leftist. Does that maybe seem a little... strange to you? Or have you internalized it so far that you can't see anything odd about it at all?

Do you see why it's useless talking to you, you hear what you want to hear. Did I ever say Obama was far left?

[JBDive]

Just keep insulting and misquoting, it shows you, like most on the left, have no argument, just insults and name calling.

What more can you say to someone who is so proud of such a paper-thin understanding of the world, with no desire to increase that understanding if it means being exposed to something that he doesn't automatically agree with or isn't right smack dab in the middle of the mainstream?

At least a lot of the people around here seem curious about these things and try to challenge themselves, read from independent sources, entertain alternative viewpoints, stuff like that. If they don't come to the right conclusions, well, at least they tried. You're apparently content to zone out on the mindless grey expanse of TV news and actually take it seriously, so I kinda feel like I'm wasting my time here.

Again with the insults, this time it was in your first sentence not to mention completely ignored the fact that I said I don't watch TV other than the couple of shows I mentioned for maybe 4 hours a week total and of those sources one is Left and you admitted they were left. Do you not see how lame any argument is when you attack the other speaker with insults? You also make so many assumptions it's amazing, your leaps from my statements that I must be a Far Right, Card Carrying Republican were wrong and unfounded by the statements presented.

Son I have read, studied and likely participated in far more content then you will consume by the time your 30. 30, hmm how did I come around to that number? I am willing to bet your around 24, never had a corporate level job, never managed more than 2 people and probably live on the west coast but I'm reaching there however you sound like your right out of Seattle or Portland.

[JeffK]

Just keep insulting and misquoting, it shows you, like most on the left, have no argument, just insults and name calling.

What more can you say to someone who is so proud of such a paper-thin understanding of the world, with no desire to increase that understanding if it means being exposed to something that he doesn't automatically agree with or isn't right smack dab in the middle of the mainstream?

At least a lot of the people around here seem curious about these things and try to challenge themselves, read from independent sources, entertain alternative viewpoints, stuff like that. If they don't come to the right conclusions, well, at least they tried. You're apparently content to zone out on the mindless grey expanse of TV news and actually take it seriously, so I kinda feel like I'm wasting my time here.

Again with the insults, this time it was in your first sentence not to mention completely ignored the fact that I said I don't watch TV other than the couple of shows I mentioned for maybe 4 hours a week total and of those sources one is Left and you admitted they were left. Do you not see how lame any argument is when you attack the other speaker with insults? You also make so many assumptions it's amazing, your leaps from my statements that I must be a Far Right, Card Carrying Republican were wrong and unfounded by the statements presented.

Son I have read, studied and likely participated in far more content then you will consume by the time your 30. 30, hmm how did I come around to that number? I am willing to bet your around 24, never had a corporate level job, never managed more than 2 people and probably live on the west coast but I'm reaching there however you sound like your right out of Seattle or Portland.

You sound like you are full of shit - your left-wing source is "someone who has 'admitted' they were left wing"? Also most of your replies boil down to "stupid liberal" or "you sound like you are from Seattle/Portland/some other place where hypothetical dumb liberals come from".

edit: What I'm saying is they think you are parroting right-wing TV hosts because every single thing you say is basically something Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say.

[rainingbitcoins]

Again with the insults, this time it was in your first sentence not to mention completely ignored the fact that I said I don't watch TV other than the couple of shows I mentioned for maybe 4 hours a week total and of those sources one is Left and you admitted they were left. Do you not see how lame any argument is when you attack the other speaker with insults? You also make so many assumptions it's amazing, your leaps from my statements that I must be a Far Right, Card Carrying Republican were wrong and unfounded by the statements presented.

I didn't admit any of those news sources were left. I said that MSNBC has a pro-Democrat bias, which is decidedly not left. I'm pretty sure I said that more than once.

But yeah I'm totally sorry if I made assumptions based on some guy bounding into the thread and going off his rocker about those durn Hollywood libruhls. I don't know how I ever could have made such a mistake. You still didn't address my points at all, by the way - you picked out the insults and pretended to be hurt after you spent half the thread hurling various insults of your own.

Son I have read, studied and likely participated in far more content then you will consume by the time your 30. 30, hmm how did I come around to that number? I am willing to bet your around 24, never had a corporate level job, never managed more than 2 people and probably live on the west coast but I'm reaching there however you sound like your right out of Seattle or Portland.

You're really bad at assuming things!

I'm 33, and I'm a team leader (not a big team, but still) at a Fortune 500 company on the East Coast.  I've never even been to Seattle or Portland or anywhere west of Nevada in my life. Why? Did some talk show host tell you that that was where the most liberal of those dang liberals live with their long hair and dirty clothes and marihuana cigarettes?

But no, go ahead and tell me all about how much "content" you devour and how well-read you are, guy who lists Tom Clancy among his favorite authors and seems pretty proud of the fact that, unlike his associates, he was able to make it all the way through that dense symbolist tome called The Hunt for Red October.

edit: What I'm saying is they think you are parroting right-wing TV hosts because every single thing you say is basically something Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like the stuff he says is obscure or something else that's easy to mistake - it's straight off of Fox & Friends, out of a Moonie Times editorial, or the comments section of my local newspaper's web site.

As defined by Marx in the Communist Manifesto?

Kind of, but I guess my ideal environment would be halfway in between that and libertarian socialism.

[JBDive]

Son I have read, studied and likely participated in far more content then you will consume by the time your 30. 30, hmm how did I come around to that number? I am willing to bet your around 24, never had a corporate level job, never managed more than 2 people and probably live on the west coast but I'm reaching there however you sound like your right out of Seattle or Portland.

You're really bad at assuming things!

I'm 33, and I'm a team leader (not a big team, but still) at a Fortune 500 company on the East Coast.  I've never even been to Seattle or Portland or anywhere west of Nevada in my life. Why? Did some talk show host tell you that that was where the most liberal of those dang liberals live with their long hair and dirty clothes and marihuana cigarettes?

Then I am calling you out as a liar and this conversation is over. I have read your past post and socialist slant obviously tainted by any number of convicted criminals, and see where you are coming from and there is no getting you to see the error of those ways. I mean really, Omali Yeshitela? I have also found some tidbits which clearly show you are lying now or lied in other post and from the over all tone of your post I would say your lying now when you say your 33 and likely lying that you work in a corporate envelopment, how could you take part in what you so deeply disagree with.

"When I was born, the Simpsons had only been on the air for a scant four years, and a now long-forgotten band by the name of Pearl Jam topped the charts..." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34142.msg427362#msg427362

This remind you of anything? It should. You posted this just a few days ago and the fact you were so specific in when you were born it would be hard for me to believe you were lying about it which makes you 18, 19 depending on the month you were born. The Simpsons first aired in 1989, Pearl Jam first entered the charts in 91 with major hits in 1993 to 1995.

oh and anyone that thinks what Mao did was in any way a good thing or in the right direction and the loss of life was unfortunate need to seriously reconsider their thinking. Mao and his policies killed what, 100 million, even conservative numbers put it at 50 million.

[rainingbitcoins]

"When I was born, the Simpsons had only been on the air for a scant four years, and a now long-forgotten band by the name of Pearl Jam topped the charts..." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34142.msg427362#msg427362

This remind you of anything? It should. You posted this just a few days ago and the fact you were so specific in when you were born it would be hard for me to believe you were lying about it which makes you 18, 19 depending on the month you were born. The Simpsons first aired in 1989, Pearl Jam first entered the charts in 91 with major hits in 1993 to 1995.

Hahahahah this is brilliant. Why don't you try clicking on that post instead of just viewing it in the search results.

(Hint: I was making fun of 17-year-old Atlas, Detective Sees No Context.)

how could you take part in what you so deeply disagree with.

Yeah, I don't know if you've noticed what country we live in, but it's not like I have a lot of choice. It's pretty laid-back for a corporate environment, though, and I do all that I can to avoid office politics and other BS.