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November 21, 2013, 03:52:14 AM
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Interesting. I've had nothing but good dealings with Graet.

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November 21, 2013, 04:01:20 AM
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Interesting. I've had nothing but good dealings with Graet.
I hope Great can explain what happen with UKYO ,they must know each other.....
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November 21, 2013, 05:07:46 AM
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And the fact that your demand is for a signed message from an address with the coin shows that you clearly have no grasp of this problem, and are in no position to be making a scam accusation.  He can't sign from an address with the coin because no single address has the coin.  If a single address did have the coin, bitcoind wouldn't be choking.  Bitcoin is choking because the coin has been fractioned out over thousands(or tens of thousands) of addresses.  Sure, if you want, I'm sure he could spend a week generating the 10,000 signatures necessary to account for all the coin.  And you could spend a week verifying all of those.  But I think everyone else here would rather he just continue working on the problem at hand.

Ok tell me if I got this wrong, Every single Bitcoin is identical to the other Bitcoin, to the satoshi level they are all equal.

If I did not get that wrong may I ask why did you assume I wanted him to sign these exact Bitcoins?

The signature would just prove that "yes I am Ukyo and I can cover this amount and here is the proof", This would break the arguments of not having enough funds.

I'm sorry, which of the 10,000 containing addresses did you want him to sign from?  Please specify which one and I'm sure I could get him to sign that one.  But you only requested one signature, so you only get one.


aaaaaah god.... OK I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT CLEARER.

If I meet Ukyo now on the street and I say "Hey Ukyo my man, where da ppl moooneee?". And he show me his phone with mycelium wallet with 3k BTC in it or a suitcase he is carrying with $3m and say "Don worry I got it covered dude!",

THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH PROOF OF FUNDS.

if he still don't get it come on people please explain it to him programmers are hard to explain stuff to, I am sorry "Experienced software engineers"

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November 21, 2013, 08:49:57 AM
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Yeah. I have the same. Processing, Processing, Processing....

BUT:  There was one Transaction with a very small amount 2 weeks or something Processing und 3-4 days ago: Completed!

So, at least there is hope...

My Opinion: After Bitfunder closed, - WeExchange had a lot of trouble with beeing the only one Partner for Instant Exchange to BF.

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November 21, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
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I choose to refrain from posting any of my transaction id info on here.

1: This behavior mimics pestering, which in my experience makes the pestered feel              more anxious and frustrated.
2: It will not provide a quicker solution
3: I have faith it will be rectified

I do have a fairly large sum stuck and can sympathize with everyone's situation.
As previously stated, it would be nice to have something...any kind of regular updates to put others, and my own mind at ease.

Now that I've said that, I cannot guarantee I will feel the same way if this persists.


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November 21, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
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I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.

Op: please change your post so it states that you -must- raise a ticket and it's this date that's important. It is not automatic so people's transfer dates are not the required date, the ticket date is. This must be made clear so that we can see if it's being handled as stated. Listing the withdrawal dates is totally confusing things.

I've spoken to UKYO several times and he was trying to sort a system to show withdrawals to a third party. He did manage this once. The last meaningful post here was about trying to address this problem properly. He was on irc briefly a couple of days ago.

As far as I know he is just trying to solve the problem once and for all and keeping his head down due to the stress. However, if this is the case he needs to post daily updates about withdrawals and state progress, or provide a code progress report. Until the last few days there had been people posting about successful withdrawals and he had been here most days.
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November 21, 2013, 09:20:15 AM
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Here's my small withdrawal to add to the list:

Withdrawal:
Date   2013-11-14 13:13:25
Transaction ID   NI9H03JcgvKhX5Hb3FMyLZV6M199eLEf
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.83141006 BTC

Opened a Ticket on WeExchange Too:
2013-11-18 20:23:57
Ticket ID   LRS-632645

Admittedly this is not many BitCoins compared to the rest of you, but it means a lot of money to me, and money owed is still money owed no matter the volume.

I'm hoping Ukyo can get this together and resolve the issues - or at least give someone else access to the servers / system to help and then they can post regular updates of the withdrawal statuses and free up Ukyo to do the work etc..
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November 21, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
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Date   2013-11-06 02:07:38
Transaction ID   XcNu0h2JTZwb9KhSj1vRZec8vMfzTmnp
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.31331000 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing
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November 21, 2013, 10:16:45 AM
Last edit: November 21, 2013, 10:38:21 AM by moribana
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This is my contribution to the list of funds that got stuck in WeEx. My WeEx id is moribana
but I do not know how to get my identifier.

2013-11-05 11:25:45    Withdraw    1.03083250 BTC       Processing

This is the ticket number: PPV-803293 and the ticket was opened immediately after the failed withdrawal.
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November 21, 2013, 11:50:42 AM
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I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.

In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!

I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.

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November 21, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
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I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.

In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!

I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.

To be fair, I want an answer today. No excuses. The last few days have been worryingly quiet.

I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.
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November 21, 2013, 12:52:39 PM
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I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.

Please keep us posted. Thanks

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November 21, 2013, 01:48:05 PM
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I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.

In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!

I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.

maybe you can advice the people to take screenshots? I did it already!
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November 21, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
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Add me to the list.

Code:
Date 2013-11-15 14:23:45
Transaction ID L4svMxzqWkmf2re9eux5Z0fNky9UksE2
Type Withdraw
Debit 10.92132404 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing

WeExchange Ticket ID: OLZ-766451
Ticket opened: 2013-11-15 14:47:49
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November 21, 2013, 02:14:44 PM
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I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.

In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!

I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.

To be fair, I want an answer today. No excuses. The last few days have been worryingly quiet.

I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.

I can see two possibilities.

1) Either Ukyo is working on a real solution involving automatic payment processing and he hopes to finish this within a few days. Then it is not really important to constantly entertain people here because they will be happy soon anyway.

2) There are no available funds, he doesn't care any more, etc. and in this case we can forget the whole thing.

If there is no news within a couple of days, I am afraid that 2) is the case...
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November 21, 2013, 02:32:12 PM
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In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3661143#msg3661143
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November 21, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
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In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3661143#msg3661143


Could you please explain what this is good for and how it is done  technically? I think that there are many people out there who don't have a clue.

Thanks!
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November 21, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
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Date    2013-11-15 13:49:40
Transaction ID    ce3ikESi3eaOYaq9QRNL9Mgb2gXbFlTL
Type    Withdraw
Debit    1.66142799 BTC
Credit    
Fee    0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing
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November 21, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
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In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3661143#msg3661143


Could you please explain what this is good for and how it is done  technically? I think that there are many people out there who don't have a clue.

Thanks!

Multisig done correctly means that two keys are required to move funds out of an address. That means the on-line wallet cannot access your funds without your permission. It takes some extra work to implement but a few developers are now doing that, and I know of multiple exchanges now working on this. It's going to be standard next year.

Multisig will also help protect your own wallets in future, e.g. by having a 3rd party confirmation service with custom security restrictions or having the second key on e.g. your phone. This reduces the security issues with Bitcoin wallets whereby it's really not easy for most people to secure their money (certainly non technical, but even technical). Not completely, but it will make is much easier.
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November 21, 2013, 04:46:57 PM
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I have one withdraw from weexchange that hasent been honered yet:
2013-10-28 23:22:06    4.01 btc     processing

Is there any point in sending over more btc from bitfunder to weexchange at the moment will it even show up on weexchange now with the problems he has or will that just delay ukyo's payments even more if his bitcoind gets more to process, has anyone transferred over any more btc lately from bitfunder to weexchange ?

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