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December 14, 2013, 01:27:39 AM
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The 'legal reasons' why ukyo doesn't want to tell us what happened to our deposits is most likely in self-interest.  I.E  it isn't another legal entity that is preventing him from telling us what he did to the coins, but instead it is more likely he just doesn't want to tell us because it would increase his legal liability.

I.E again he doesn't want to say "sorry I was gambling with all your money that you deposited and lost it because I'm a pond-scum scam artist,  and didn't let people know I couldn't pay them back because I wanted them to keep depositing so I could pay interest on loans I took out"  rather than that, it serves him better to say something like "I can't say what happens because of legal reasons". It's completely self-serving.

Again this just seems the most logical and reasonable guess to be made at this point, judging from what we have seen, and what he has said, and what he has shown with his actions. It's almost been over 2 months...it's sort of a joke we don't even know what happened.

Furthermore I don't think legal recourse would be effective at all in this situation but sure would at least make me feel better at the $1000 I have lost. If I was American or had more than $2000 lost here I would be headed to Texas, but I'm not, so am just going to try to get about $100 worth of bitching about this in to make me feel better.

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December 14, 2013, 11:11:15 AM
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The 'legal reasons' why ukyo doesn't want to tell us what happened to our deposits is most likely in self-interest.  I.E  it isn't another legal entity that is preventing him from telling us what he did to the coins, but instead it is more likely he just doesn't want to tell us because it would increase his legal liability.

Two things:

1) Not only has he said it will come out as soon as possible, but it would always come out sooner or later. It's not self interest as will become evident in due course.

2) Danny got involved only latterly and his recent post was interesting:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg3959870#msg3959870

(Sorry, on my tablet so link rather than a quote)

I have a large amount at stake and am firmly backing Danny's involvement as our best chance of seeing our coins again (over 75 BTC at risk here).
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Last edit: December 17, 2013, 04:33:47 AM by shrimpdigger
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Date    2013-11-27 03:46:44
Transaction ID    skSMx8W4z7oNPjJ1FFqC7P2mce9gOuMg
Type    Withdraw
Debit    1.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing

   
Wallet
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USD $0.00000 AUD $110.00001 BTC 0.00000000 CAD $0.00000

I also sent 1000XRP to WeExchange.
WeExchange please process my poor 1 BTC    1B92eFpjxen24fmQc6sX2RG6giyByeRpPU
WeExchange please return my $110AUD and 1000XRP    rDA6o3XYHmbMSKWfS7MsTksCcQcyCzU1FE

Back in the day WeExchange was cool and I trusted them, thats how i got some AUD into my Ripple. I have $200AUD in trust lines with WeExchange and my Ripple friends.
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December 17, 2013, 12:10:54 AM
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Just for record keeping purposes here's what I have outstanding if the list is still being updated:

Date   2013-11-07 20:10:46
Transaction ID   KC1jAPVojXLczSbsUJJjhO6AswrxHJAR
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.87618864 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

+ A Balance of: ฿0.25714000 and some dividend payments I guess.

Has there been news as to when the shares on bitfunder will be converted to direct shares?
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December 17, 2013, 01:40:46 AM
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Has there been news as to when the shares on bitfunder will be converted to direct shares?

Which shares are you talking about? The issuers have the full list of shareholders. AM100 for example has moved on already. Ukyo is in charge of G.AM.PT. So we're waiting on him to send the shares to friedcat. My guess is, his priority (?) is winding up wexchange first.

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December 17, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
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Has there been news as to when the shares on bitfunder will be converted to direct shares?

Which shares are you talking about? The issuers have the full list of shareholders. AM100 for example has moved on already. Ukyo is in charge of G.AM.PT. So we're waiting on him to send the shares to friedcat. My guess is, his priority (?) is winding up wexchange first.

I think it's safe to say at this point that Ukyo stole our bitcoins and if he can will steal our shares too.  The belief that he intends to deliver coins, dividends or shares at this point is extremely naive to the point if being stupid.  He hash't provided any communication in a long time and the whole Neo thing is another pile of lies, evasions and delay tactics.  Expecting anything from Ukyo is just plain foolish. 

If anyone has a list of the G.AM.PT wallets that was publicly available on the site most recently, we should get a group of us who hold those shares to see to it that Friedcat transfers that as the ownership table for dividends and share sales in the future. 

There is no point in waiting for Ukyo as he will not show up to help us out.
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December 17, 2013, 02:20:49 AM
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There's a post in the G.AM.PT thread saying friedcat already put the divs on hold for the PT shares.

Does anyone have the last "asset list" from Bitfunder?

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December 17, 2013, 08:04:20 AM
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Does anyone have the last "asset list" from Bitfunder?
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December 17, 2013, 10:06:34 AM
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Username       WeExchange ID       Amount       Time Stamp   
Keven   eaAyhqhzikpJ4owQXHXMV7ThqCCElib9   0.54000000 BTC   2013-11-05 10:21:23
Keven   mjDgaerKz5Q4TSfYyuBjVYuRTrjjqPF9   1.01241802 BTC   2013-11-17 00:25:42

I love invest.
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我的私人投资基金:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286866.0
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December 17, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
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Does anyone have the last "asset list" from Bitfunder?
Code:
G.ASICMINER-PT 83 ... 1N3L6n
G.ASICMINER-PT 1 1EJext
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I confirm that my shares and my wallet are in the list posted by thirdlight.
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December 17, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
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Hello Everyone,

I would like to say thank you to everyone for being patient and understanding during these difficult times.

All BTC stuck on WeExchange.co has been migrated to a new claim portal. You will notice your BTC balance
on the main weexchange site zero out. Withdraws via the portal will list in your weexchange.co history.
As funds become available they will be dispursed proportionally on this portal for immediate withdraw.
The first round has been dispersed and is ready. Please keep in mind that the amount and percentage
of bitcoins being released is effected by many variables as we tried to make as much available as possible.

Login details are the same as the weexchange.co site.

Below is a link to a weexchange.co claim portal.
https://weexclaims.weexchange.co/

Now, many of you are still quite concerned over the situation, which given the little information released
is sadly expected. I will address what concerns I can for now.

First off, Danny:
Danny has been extremely helpful and supportive of getting things moving forward. Danny has "not" been paid
off or made any offer of early compensation for his help. In fact he made the opposite offer to take his last
after everyone else. He is the real deal when it comes to wanting to help the community and put the community
first. Several other people, some vocal and some not have also been very helpful and this has been much appreciated.

Secondly, Identification documents:
For legal reasons, and as much as we would like, we can not just purge the data. There are many many factors
behind this. The data is kept off-system. This data (and any other data) has not been compromised.

Thirdly, BitFunder remaining balances:
There are a very small number of users on BitFunder who still have balances and need to transfer out due to
WeExchange account linking and various other reasons. Users in this situation are not out of luck for the first
disbursement. As the problems are worked through on BitFunder, the remaining balances will get moved into
the new claim portal and they will be able to collect their equal distribution.

Fourth, Ukyo.Loan shares:
A portal for shares is being setup for claiming shares where users can put in redemption requests. I stopped
depositing interest payouts through BitFunder due to the problems with WeExchange. All interest owed will be
paid out and redemption requests will be honored as soon as it is possible.

Fifth, G.AsicMiner-PT:
A few weeks ago, I sent FriedCat an email and asked him to hold dividends for the AM shares being held. He still
sent that weeks dividends which I currently hold in a separate wallet apart from WeExchange. At that point
all shares were accounted for by dividend payout calculation. (The only method to track shares directly held.)
No transfers have been made since so all shares should be 100% accounted for. I spoke to FriedCat and he agreed
to hold the future dividends and will disperse them as he processes the transfers. Many users have asked to not
use their email address, or public bitcoin address, etc for the transfer and dividends. So it was decided
to use the same portal as the loan shares or a third portal for transfer management so users can decide what
bitcoin address to send the held dividends to, and what email/bitcoin address to list with FriedCat.
FriedCat will get a weekly lists of transfers and will payout the remaining held dividends he is holding.

I want to make one thing very clear. We are working very hard trying to do everything we can to ensure all
users will be able to claim a full 100% of the amount stuck.  No one set out with or currently has the
intention to scam anyone. That is why we are here and doing all this. The available bitcoin issue is not due
to me spending other peoples bitcoins or accidentally deleting the wallet. It is your choice to believe it or not.

As for "getting bitcoins out of him" goes, no matter which direction you may choose to pursue, at this point
all bitcoins we have access to at this moment have been distributed. If more were available, they would be distributed.
As bitcoins become available, they will be distributed via the portal.

I have seen some people talk about meeting up with me. I think this is a great idea. Let me state however, more
details than what you are getting here will not be available and I will not be able to make any "special arrangements".
I state again, no matter what is said or done, I will not be able to "speed things up". This is something we simply
do not have control over. I do think it would be a good idea to have more community interaction though. If you are
interested, PM me on the Forums or IRC and we can try to pick a date between Christmas and New years and a place that
is easy for all in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. If you PM me here, please use the subject "DFW MEETUP" because as you
can imagine I get quite a few PMs and as much as I want to respond to them all, it is very difficult with already
limited time.

And yes, I am still in Cyprus due to an unexpected problem wth the flight and expect to be home for the holidays.

Once again, I would like to extend my deepest apologies for the situation and thank everyone for their patience and
understanding. We will continue to work towards all solutions that will help to correct for this.

Thank You,
Jon Montroll / Ukyo

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December 19, 2013, 06:46:04 AM
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is it a scam when i lost 94% of my BTC?
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December 20, 2013, 01:01:53 AM
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I'm 5% less angry now.

(5% is something but it isn't that much).

So like WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DEPOSITS AND STUFF?

sorry if I'm spamming.

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December 20, 2013, 01:56:15 AM
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I should have a very pleasant 2013 ,but Ukyo makes me so
Depression.I think other Weex users have the same feelling.
No information ,only get back 6% of my fund,and still suffering sleepless night .
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December 20, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
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I had ~0.07 btc still on weex. You can't log in anymore and the claim portal shows my balance as 0...

Any advice?
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December 20, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
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I had ~0.07 btc still on weex. You can't log in anymore and the claim portal shows my balance as 0...

Any advice?

Try https://weexclaims.weexchange.co/ (announced by Ukyo here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg4021376#msg4021376)

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December 21, 2013, 11:59:16 AM
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Yeah, yesterday that said Balance was 0. Now it says:

> Balance Stuck   0.06272614   Available   0.00387334

What the fuck Ukyo? How can my Balance be stuck? I never even tried to withdraw...

Fucking scam.
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December 21, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
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Yeah, yesterday that said Balance was 0. Now it says:

> Balance Stuck   0.06272614   Available   0.00387334

What the fuck Ukyo? How can my Balance be stuck? I never even tried to withdraw...

Fucking scam.

Its still zero'ed out for me when i logged into the claim portal.

Please ALWAYS contact me through bitcointalk pm before sending someone coins.
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Yeah, yesterday that said Balance was 0. Now it says:

> Balance Stuck   0.06272614   Available   0.00387334

What the fuck Ukyo? How can my Balance be stuck? I never even tried to withdraw...

Fucking scam.

Its still zero'ed out for me when i logged into the claim portal.
Ukyo, After I withdrawn the 6% BTC,the porter shows stuck 0 BTC now.so Where are my remaining 17 BTCs? Can u please let me know? 
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December 22, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
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The claim portal now no longer works.

I really wish I could line up all 4 people that owe me over 40btc and just punch each one of them in the nose...





Bastards costing me another chance at IVF

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