Merit became a business. What to do?

[Sova_tmb]

Hello guys, today i saw a russian telelegram grup about merit. He sell merit on 20$ for eatch.  Look on the screenchoot: https://wmpics.pics/di-EKV9.jpg    Some peoples buy merits and its very bad. Don't say about what they will be deceived. Also notice on the Russian thread many suggestion from Newbies: How buy merit or price on merit.  In this thead man official sell merit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301296.0

Merit become a new coin on this forum and it the biggest problem. To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.  Thanks for reading and what you do about it? How to struggle with this problem?

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[Jet Cash]

The best solutuon is to track down the buyers and the sellers, and delete their accounts. Once a load of them have lost money, then the market will die.

The other question is - why is rhat thread still on the board? Did you report it?

[LoyceV]

To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

[mdayonliner]

Hello guys, today i saw a russian telelegram grup about merit. He sell merit on 20$ for eatch.  Look on the screenchoot: https://wmpics.pics/di-EKV9.jpg    Some peoples buy merits and its very bad. Don't say about what they will be deceived. Also notice on the Russian thread many suggestion from Newbies: How buy merit or price on merit.  In this thead man official sell merit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301296.0

Merit become a new coin on this forum and it the biggest problem. To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.  Thanks for reading and what you do about it? How to struggle with this problem?

I just reported the post with the reference of English translation.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Is there any such clear statement available? Can you please quote it?

Theymos said not to worry from the point of running out sMerits not from the point of open buying/selling IMO.

[Talk merit]

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Yes, but I don't want to support it, and that's why I want a list of people who shouldn't receive merit regardless of their post quality.

[LoyceV]

Is there any such clear statement available? Can you please quote it?

I know Merit sources aren't allowed to sell Merit, but other users don't have any restrictions. Disclaimer: I'm not buying (Lol) nor selling Merit.

Theymos said not to worry from the point of running out sMerits not from the point of open buying/selling IMO.

I guess I'll have to dig into theymos' post history:

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

[TheQuin]

Is there any such clear statement available? Can you please quote it?

It's the lack of a statement to the contrary. Nothing has been added to the forum rules. IIRC the Merit sources see a warning on their merit page telling them that they are not allowed to trade it. The fact that the rest of us don't get any warning means there is no firm rule.

[mdayonliner]

Is there any such clear statement available? Can you please quote it?

I know Merit sources aren't allowed to sell Merit, but other users don't have any restrictions. Disclaimer: I'm not buying (Lol) nor selling Merit.

Selling merit isn't against the rules and ...there is no firm rule are totally different like there is a difference in saying, I am poor and I am broke. One is accepting without further question and another one is adopting but working for the better outcome.

The amount of fools and confused (I would say tricky merit abusers)people we see around, they will easily use your statement as a bait to create a ground for them to debate.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust.

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

- I guess theymos never thought of the aggressiveness we see for selling/exchanging merits from the abusers.

Thank you for the digging for me @LoyceV

[Mister1k]

Hello guys, today i saw a russian telelegram grup about merit. He sell merit on 20$ for eatch.  Look on the screenchoot: https://wmpics.pics/di-EKV9.jpg    Some peoples buy merits and its very bad. Don't say about what they will be deceived. Also notice on the Russian thread many suggestion from Newbies: How buy merit or price on merit.  In this thead man official sell merit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301296.0

Merit become a new coin on this forum and it the biggest problem. To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.  Thanks for reading and what you do about it? How to struggle with this problem?

This really shit and against the forum. With the merits alone they cannot get placed in campaign or elsewhere, for them it only help to rank up. With the post quality increasing rank with the merit means none of the manager will not loosely take it.
I am damn sure merit buyers will be under red tagged. I see some one applied yahoo's own campaign and manager highlighted he is abusing the merits. That will be only happen mate so no worries.
Once trust has been traded and now merits. This is really shit understanding by the forumers.

[buyandsale]

thats why me gets no merits till now even after good suggestive and usefull posts

[TMAN]

thats why me gets no merits till now even after good suggestive and usefull posts

No you got no merits as your English is atrocious, I don't even need to look at more of your posts.

[FreeOxen]

Unfortunately whenever there is something that is in high demand but limited supply, people will try anything to get an edge, including buying merit.

[coolcoinz]

The risk of trading merit outweighs the benefits. For instance, you have a full member account and want to get to Sr. fast, you buy merit. This is an account you'll be having for a long time, possibly for years. You can forget about that little trade, move on, get some real merit, get some decent posts, activity, possibly some trust, and then somebody finds out about your merit trade and the account is ruined. Taking a shortcut may look like a good idea, but it's best to level up on your own.

[gantez]

thats why me gets no merits till now even after good suggestive and usefull posts

If you are sure you are doing nice post and helping the forum, continue it. Soon you will be noticed but from your few lines, I suggest you put more effort.

The fact that the rest of us don't get any warning means there is no firm rule.

That is the reason that members who have smerit don't search for posts befitting for the merit. They wait for ways to trade it or let it locked in their account.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

thats why me gets no merits till now even after good suggestive and usefull posts

No, you're getting no merits because your grasp of English is so bad that you even screwed up your username.

I can't believe how utterly moronic these people are, that they really think that because they "workhard" that they're somehow entitled to get merits, and that they see nothing wrong with garbage shitposts like

me too afraid to invest my BTC was thinking and thinking to invest but  slowly slowly btc going down and im in loss so do as much as quick and correct discussion as soon as possible ...

I can't even understand the first fucking 6 words of that post, so there's no way I would even continue reading it, much less actually award merits for it.  This guy is probably a 12 year old Filipino kid, picking his nose and wheedling his mother for pocket change.  Even worse, it's probably family who introduced him to bitcointalk.

[hd49728]

Stricter punishments on merit abusers (who exchange their sMerits, in fact, not merits) will solve the problem. However, as Loyce said in previous threads, this behaviour doesn't violate the current rules of the forum. It will only result in red tags.
I think it's better of merit abusements will be added into the forum rules to officially fight against those abusers.

[botany]

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

- I guess theymos never thought of the aggressiveness we see for selling/exchanging merits from the abusers.

Think of the direction the forum was taking before the introduction of merit. Compared to that selling/exchanging merits is a temporary problem which will soon fade into insignificance. The most blatant abusers of course will be caught and tagged.

[xolxol]

To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Theymos doesnt have any power here,DT members are the ones who are powerful in this forum.The owner doesnt know what is happening to this forum,red trust abusers which doesnt have any good reason why do people getting those shit redtrust,its morelikely a joke right now because of the shit DT abusers who does want to get noticed by the public.

[Emilyp]

The best part to all of this merit issues arising now, would have been not giving any member any merit at the first place. Maybe each member gets a given amount of merit for achieving a given status. Then once the laid out status is achieved, the system automatically gives merits to the user and this users can't be transferred as well between users as it's only the system that can do that.

[TMAN]

Merit trading seems severe right now as the circulation of merit is so small, But think how it will look in 12 months. The initial sMerit will of all deteriorated and only the new sMerit every month will be in circulation, DT's need to keep tagging the most blatant cases and the Sources then need to ignore those members, then the problem will be solved..