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July 23, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
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For those who've never seen a pic of James Grant before. He has a brother name David, too. Contact me if you need a Full Metal Dox on the clan.

What's the purpose of disclosing who he is (especially as he's never tried to hide his identity)? James hasn't been a part of Havelock since the Panama Fund took it over from him last year...

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July 23, 2014, 02:05:28 PM
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^ Lightbox claims he's been retained "in technical capacity" lol.
Teh Panama Fund is a shelf co.  If you buy it, you'll also buy Big Trend Capital Investments LTD [Havelock ticker HASH, Ben "Benny1985" Schlichter] and the creatively named Full Power Asia Investment LTD [Havelock ticker RENT, Brandon "Branny" Schlichter].

Invest in a Panamanian shelf company with no history and no real names attached?  Into this: http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/610201
What could possibly go wrong?*

*Taking into account that 90% of BTC-denominated securities turn out to be scams, 100% lose money, and...
...and the proprietor of this fine enterprise, while asking for millions of dollars, *won't even give you his name*.


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July 23, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
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As mentioned several times before, yet constantly ignored. The Panama Fund is a registered licensed Fund with offices in Panama. You or anyone out there that would like to come down and visit us is welcomed to contact us.  You can always call, email the SMV (the SEC of Panama) and verify our registration and our existence. 

You can view our registration at:  http://www.supervalores.gob.pa/files/Sociedades/Sociedades_Inversion_Privada_DRA.pdf

Havelock Investments

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July 23, 2014, 03:15:53 PM
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Let's not start this again--Teh Panama Fund is not a licenced exchange but a private fund.  You can no more [legally] deal in securities than Full Power Asia Investment LTD or Trend Capital Investments LTD mentioned above.

Re. "come to Panama to verify that the latest failing scam is really a failing scam"?  Make it worth my while.  I doubt you can, since your own stock is in the sluge trap, and you're too cheap to even return 100 BTC to the MS "investors."
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July 23, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
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Let's not start this again--Teh Panama Fund is not a licenced exchange but a private fund.  You can no more [legally] deal in securities than Full Power Asia Investment LTD or Trend Capital Investments LTD mentioned above.

Re. "come to Panama to verify that the latest failing scam is really a failing scam"?  Make it worth my while.  I doubt you can, since your own stock is in the sluge trap, and you're too cheap to even return 100 BTC to the MS "investors."

We can and are creating Funds which issue units of those Funds to individuals to participate in, which are then managed by our Fund as an investment directly into the companies we list on our site. The manner in which we raise capital and invest that capital has been proposed by the regulators themselves as an appropriate way for us to manage the Funds listed on our site. If you do not agree with the local regulation that we abide by you are free to continue posting "The Panama Fund is this and the Panama Fund is that". People are free to choose if they want to purchase or not purchase any of the Funds that we offer.

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A normal investment company does not need to register with a Securities regulator, we are registered because we offer these Funds to the public.

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Last edit: July 23, 2014, 04:41:23 PM by IPO Magic
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Nah bro, what you're doing is illegal.  To start, you fail AML/KYC compliance, which, AFAIK, is a requirement even in cultural and financial nexus such as Niger and Somalia.
I'm not familiar with Panamanian or, for that matter, Samali financial law, but Havelock fails the US definition of a private investment co.
And, lol, no.  Burying this in tidbit in your TOS doesn't even qualify as a passable joke. 



You deal directly with US nationals--Both of the Schlichter brothers, Ben Schlichter [your ticker:HASH] and Brandon Schlichter [your ticker:RENT] are US nationals, dealing directly with you.  From US soil.  In breach of the quoted clause in your TOS.
So now U know Smiley

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July 23, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
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In the 90's, if you had a porn site you couldn't take payments because no bank would touch adult sites. So some creative souls figured out that if they setup a "business" to sell "office supplies", the bank gave them their account, and people could use it to pay for porn. But every now and then someone would bid on one of the fake "items for sale", and have to be notified that it was "no longer available".

As a former havelock customer, I feel like one of the people who were bidding on the fake items. Sure you can make trades and see your rapidly decreasing balances, but whatever is going on in Panama with bitcoin currently, I cannot believe it has anything to do with the listings on Havelock.
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July 23, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
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Regarding illegality, I don't think any of us have much right to complain. Do Canadian businesses move to Panama for increased governance and regulatory control?  I figured some shady shit was happening and when they continued normal operations I figured they'd done alright.

It is honestly embarrassing to admit that I was the mark, but I'm happy to say I figured it out before too long and saved most of my money. Have since realized that any investment where "investors" are literally begging for updates is not an investment at all. I've bailed almost 99% on NEO, CBTC, CFIG, HIF, AM and later invested that in drk/xc/etc (not trying to start a holywar) and been very happily rewarded. Developers with real products, it turns out, often provide updates, because they are actually DOING SOMETHING that they can and want to tell other about.
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July 23, 2014, 06:47:32 PM
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Have since realized that any investment where "investors" are literally begging for updates is not an investment at all. [...] Developers with real products, it turns out, often provide updates, because they are actually DOING SOMETHING that they can and want to tell other about.
This is a very good advice and should be sticked as a disclaimer in every investment site and forum.

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July 23, 2014, 09:26:56 PM
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Have since realized that any investment where "investors" are literally begging for updates is not an investment at all. [...] Developers with real products, it turns out, often provide updates, because they are actually DOING SOMETHING that they can and want to tell other about.
This is a very good advice and should be sticked as a disclaimer in every investment site and forum.

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I have been waiting for months now for any substantial update on CFIG. I am not certain how long they plan to remain in Beta mode.
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July 23, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
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Nah bro, what you're doing is illegal.  To start, you fail AML/KYC compliance, which, AFAIK, is a requirement even in cultural and financial nexus such as Niger and Somalia.
I'm not familiar with Panamanian or, for that matter, Samali financial law, but Havelock fails the US definition of a private investment co.
And, lol, no.  Burying this in tidbit in your TOS doesn't even qualify as a passable joke. 



You deal directly with US nationals--Both of the Schlichter brothers, Ben Schlichter [your ticker:HASH] and Brandon Schlichter [your ticker:RENT] are US nationals, dealing directly with you.  From US soil.  In breach of the quoted clause in your TOS.
So now U know Smiley





So, James Grant is no longer part of Havelock, and the Havelock account posting on this forum is some dude of which we don't know the name of in Panama, of which doesn't realize that Ohio is in the US, otherwise Rental Startup wouldn't be part of Havelock's portfolio since they have demonstrated time and time again that they are indeed an up-and-up entity operating in the Bitcoin space.

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July 24, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
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they surely aren't spending any of it towards improving the site (which would cost ~$7500 to build at most)

Given that I found and responsibly disclosed a gaping CSRF vulnerability (visit a malicious website while logged in to Havelock, get your account emptied) to them last summer, I doubt they paid $7,500 for the website. If they did, they overpaid.

Unfortunately, this was before the bug bounty, so all I got in return was a "thanks for the tip"  Wink

Actually, this type of software is not cheap. If you built a site that was a bare bones version of Havelock your looking at $3k+, I would say they are closer to somewhere between ~$4-5000, but who knows, they might have been ripped off.

Bottom line is their expenses are ridiculous  Roll Eyes
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August 19, 2014, 07:30:43 PM
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I've been a long-time Havelock customer, and had no issue until I attempted to withdraw my coins last month. Due to a software bug in their withdrawal form, my coins ended up getting sent to an old address (1PUMw9bxhZ3Nz14EqFWrdoRBRdoWKoeJ2G).

To their credit, Havelock offered to reimburse the coins if I could prove that they were under someone else's control, and that they won't send them back. Here's the email:
http://imgur.com/3B4Yvp5

Turns out, the address is PROVABLY an old Mt. Gox address, thanks to the help of a stealthy redditor:
http://imgur.com/KYtqIBA

I attempted to contact the Gox lawyer (email, phone), but I've had absolutely no response. I asked Havelock to contact them, and they had no reply either.

Havelock is now refusing to pursue the matter further, and is backtracking on their to reimburse the coins.

Havelock, why won't you follow through on what you promised to do? Your software issue caused the loss of these coins. You said you would "happy to refund" my Bitcoin.

(FYI I have a full HTTP capture and screenshots of the bug in action)
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August 19, 2014, 11:51:56 PM
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I've been a long-time Havelock customer, and had no issue until I attempted to withdraw my coins last month. Due to a software bug in their withdrawal form, my coins ended up getting sent to an old address (1PUMw9bxhZ3Nz14EqFWrdoRBRdoWKoeJ2G).

Just to be clear, are you saying that you entered the correct address but the coins were sent to this 1PUMw9 address instead?
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August 20, 2014, 01:30:43 AM
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I've been a long-time Havelock customer, and had no issue until I attempted to withdraw my coins last month. Due to a software bug in their withdrawal form, my coins ended up getting sent to an old address (1PUMw9bxhZ3Nz14EqFWrdoRBRdoWKoeJ2G).

To their credit, Havelock offered to reimburse the coins if I could prove that they were under someone else's control, and that they won't send them back. Here's the email:
http://imgur.com/3B4Yvp5

Turns out, the address is PROVABLY an old Mt. Gox address, thanks to the help of a stealthy redditor:
http://imgur.com/KYtqIBA

I attempted to contact the Gox lawyer (email, phone), but I've had absolutely no response. I asked Havelock to contact them, and they had no reply either.

Havelock is now refusing to pursue the matter further, and is backtracking on their to reimburse the coins.

Havelock, why won't you follow through on what you promised to do? Your software issue caused the loss of these coins. You said you would "happy to refund" my Bitcoin.

(FYI I have a full HTTP capture and screenshots of the bug in action)

Post that on Reddit. Some time ago a guy sent a bunch of bitcoins to an old mtgox address and he recovered the coins.

The coins already move, the address is still active...

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August 20, 2014, 02:03:38 AM
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I've been a long-time Havelock customer, and had no issue until I attempted to withdraw my coins last month. Due to a software bug in their withdrawal form, my coins ended up getting sent to an old address (1PUMw9bxhZ3Nz14EqFWrdoRBRdoWKoeJ2G).

Just to be clear, are you saying that you entered the correct address but the coins were sent to this 1PUMw9 address instead?

He sent it to an old address of his at MtGox by mistake.

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August 20, 2014, 04:19:02 AM
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@Havelock:

You know perfectly well this is not the case. A software bug in your software caused this error, as detailed in the screenshots and http captures you were sent.

Why else did you offer to reimburse?

As I've mentioned, I'm happy to have a neutral arbitrator decide this case. If you're so sure of your position, why not agree?
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August 20, 2014, 12:04:14 PM
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@Havelock:

You know perfectly well this is not the case. A software bug in your software caused this error, as detailed in the screenshots and http captures you were sent.

Why else did you offer to reimburse?

As I've mentioned, I'm happy to have a neutral arbitrator decide this case. If you're so sure of your position, why not agree?

You should join forces with this guy who also sent 4 BTC to MtGox by mistake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2e2f1t/i_just_sent_40_btc_to_an_old_mt_gox_address_using/


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August 20, 2014, 02:15:07 PM
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You set a horrible example for other securities by not posting your financials... Where oh where is the money going?

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August 20, 2014, 02:24:47 PM
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You set a horrible example for other securities by not posting your financials... Where oh where is the money going?

You know exactly where it's going  Wink

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