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April 26, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
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Hello. I was looking at this thread, where a guy asked what was the problem in keeping funds on Coinbase.

Many people gave the answers everyone already knew, but one answer was better (wasn't mine)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3404196.msg35637828#msg35637828

It could be very helpful if it was the first answer. If we could click a button"sort by top merited"

What do you think?

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April 26, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
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That is actually a great idea. It's a pain currently trying to browse and to find the most helpful answer on the thread in the sea of shitposts.
if such function existed, it would be possible to just skip all the unhelpful answers and then read only the best answer.
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April 26, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
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I have already suggested(I think it is similar but your thoughts) to make another column that shows how many merited post in a certain topic. And once we click it, merited post will only be filtered.

That would be a great solution to read usefull answers on a topic.

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This was my suggestion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375245.msg35438883#msg35438883

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April 26, 2018, 03:45:55 PM
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Yes, but how to do this? By reporting to mods the good activity too? For maybe the "best answer" to you is not the best for everybody.
It is a brilliant idea, now we just have to figure out how to implement it...
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April 26, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Last edit: April 30, 2018, 10:17:01 PM by hugeblack
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I think you refer to a system as Reddit voting system.
Many people have armies of accounts that can be used to influence the system and make specific signatures appear first.
Merit points still mean a kind of excellence for the post/topic.
Personally, when viewing a lot of replies, I give merited posts a higher value.





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April 26, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
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That is actually a great idea. It's a pain currently trying to browse and to find the most helpful answer on the thread in the sea of shitposts.
if such function existed, it would be possible to just skip all the unhelpful answers and then read only the best answer.

The idea is good but the problem is the low number of merit sources at the moment and also the low number of threads that they patrol on. I believe if there was an option offered to the thread maker that "allow searching posts by top merits" when the thread would be active it would be a good thing to segregate the shitposts from quality posts.

However we need more exposure of threads from merit sources then.


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April 26, 2018, 05:17:21 PM
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That is actually a great idea. It's a pain currently trying to browse and to find the most helpful answer on the thread in the sea of shitposts.
if such function existed, it would be possible to just skip all the unhelpful answers and then read only the best answer.

The idea is good but the problem is the low number of merit sources at the moment and also the low number of threads that they patrol on. I believe if there was an option offered to the thread maker that "allow searching posts by top merits" when the thread would be active it would be a good thing to segregate the shitposts from quality posts.

However we need more exposure of threads from merit sources then.



O don't think merit sources are the problem. If there is only one merited answer it will be on top, and any user can merit.
Maybe we need more merit sources, (for sure better distribution, as many local boards don't have any) but this can be implemented anyway.

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April 26, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
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How I wish that it will happen soon in this forum but for now I don't think that it will be implemented by Theymos because the Merit system itself has its flows that needs to be solidified first before going to the next step. I think we all hoping the betterment of the forum, it's just a matter of time though. If only many programmers are available in improving this forum maybe the upgrading process will be much more faster than we expected but there are only few of them working on this.
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April 26, 2018, 06:48:48 PM
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I think you refer to a system as Reddit voting system.
Many people have armies of accounts that can be used to influence the system and make certain signatures appear first.
merit points still means a kind of excellence for the post/topic.
Personally, when viewing a lot of replies, I give merited posts a higher value.

Ahh!! I don't use reddit, but I understand now how it is about. Certainly, that's a great idea. It can save a lot of time, but, on the other hand, this can discouraged lazy people of reading the answers below.
What happends if the 35th answer is better and nobody reachs it because they think the first is the best? And... What  if the merited one is far to be a good answer?
 
In the other hand, remember that many topics are receiving tons of merits due to the farming instead of quality, so it can be useful for detecting farming or merit abuse, though.
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April 26, 2018, 07:15:01 PM
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What happends if the 35th answer is better and nobody reachs it because they think the first is the best? And... What  if the merited one is far to be a good answer?
 

Now, with the current system we still have this problem.
If the good answer is the 35th and there are already 50 answers, nobody will ever see it.

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April 26, 2018, 07:24:22 PM
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I don't find sorting by merit very useful because:
1. after one post is merited the others may not get read and may be valuable.
2. nowadays people still don't give out as much merit as they have for many posts.

Another flaw is that if we'd see sorted by merit we'd lose the flow/logic of the discussion.

Another idea could help more: merited posts could get special background colour. But that may have to wait until the new forum software is up and running.

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April 26, 2018, 07:57:28 PM
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<...>
It could be very helpful if it was the first answer. If we could click a button"sort by top merited"
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I think the idea is fine, although I'm not sure we'll actually get to see it any time soon. It's true as NeuroticFish stated that we could lose the flow of discussion, and that is normally the way to go in most cases. But at times, when thread is long, time very limited, or just scouting to enjoy a good read, a sort by merit feature would come in handy as a secondary way to access posts.

Having a Merit count column on the Board (between "views" and "last post") may be nice too, basically when scouting better threads to read. It wouldn't be my primary method of reading through posts, but it would give way to a "leisure read mode" with less spam and better content.

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April 26, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
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the idea is good. but you may not get the conversation if important post are not merited.
for simple topics with a question that has a "simple" answer it would really be cool.

an other way could be to just highlight the amount of merits better. something similar to https://stackoverflow.com/



and the OP could even highlight the post the solved the problem or helped him/her.
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the idea is good. but you may not get the conversation if important post are not merited.
for simple topics with a question that has a "simple" answer it would really be cool.

an other way could be to just highlight the amount of merits better. something similar to https://stackoverflow.com/

and the OP could even highlight the post the solved the problem or helped him/her.

I am not sure if many posts that correctly answer the question asked are indeed merited. You could get merits for a variety of things which may not be related to the OP - a witty remark, a challenge to a previous solution, and so on and so forth.
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April 26, 2018, 10:32:20 PM
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I think you refer to a system as Reddit voting system.
Many people have armies of accounts that can be used to influence the system and make certain signatures appear first.
merit points still means a kind of excellence for the post/topic.
Personally, when viewing a lot of replies, I give merited posts a higher value.

Yes, something like reddit system.

But an army of accounts cannot do that in bitcointalk, as merit is totally differente than an upvote.
If you create an army of newbies, they have zero smerit.

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April 27, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
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That would be useful if implemented.  Not sorting completely but an alternative approach within the current system would be: Click "All" of "Pages: [1] 2 ... »  All" and then use the browser search by "Merited by".
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April 30, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
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I would advise looking into the filter bubble effect.  Basically you expose people with more merit to the masses which results in more merit and before you know it you have a number of power users who will always be in the top while newcomers posts just aren't seen.

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April 30, 2018, 11:44:37 PM
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Well sorting out comments could be a little of a hassle and what if there's a more "better" answer but it's not merited or not merited as much as that one?

Is that comment going to be filtered out as well? If  you ask me, better option would be like a marker (golden star or something) that would make that post stand out.

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May 01, 2018, 03:03:12 AM
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Hello. I was looking at this thread, where a guy asked what was the problem in keeping funds on Coinbase.

Many people gave the answers everyone already knew, but one answer was better (wasn't mine)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3404196.msg35637828#msg35637828

It could be very helpful if it was the first answer. If we could click a button"sort by top merited"

What do you think?

This is a great idea.. I'll be surprised if this isn't implemented... I like the gold star suggestion at the very least.

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The overwhelming majority of posts do not receive merit, so very few posts would even be reordered if this was implemented.

Also, many posts are replies to what was said immidiately before a post was made, so sorting posts this way would result in threads being confusing as to the flow of the conversation
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