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April 27, 2018, 11:03:51 AM
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“High quality” comes up many times in many discussions here in Bitcoin talk.  The phrase “high quality” is sneaky and deceptive. The phrase itself tends to blind people even if the people who were using it weren’t trying to be deceptive.

According to a blogger, David Wiley, the core issue in determining the quality of any educational resource is the degree to which it supports learning. He said that when people say “high quality” they actually mean all these things (author credentials, review by faculty, copy edited by professionals, laid out by graphic designers, contains beautiful imagery, provided in multiple formats etc.) EXCEPT effectiveness.

So, “high quality” means effectiveness in educating others. If no merits have been given to you even if you think you are writing high quality comments and posts, maybe those are not as effective as they appear to be. Do not  always think whether you will be merited or not when commenting or posting. Rather, think about how you can help others and what you can teach them.
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April 27, 2018, 11:55:02 AM
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This definition might fit, I'd argue though that most people don't want to be taught but entertained or rather they mostly prefer a mild form of educative information that they can process easily. At least if they're not specifically looking/searching for something. On top of that, even if you help someone or teach someone something he/she needs to be aware of that fact and then value your help as the merit system is no automated process.

Imo spending or receiving merit is not about helping or educating people but about pleasing them, I guess Cheesy


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April 27, 2018, 02:56:28 PM
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Perception of quality is subjective. What some may find interesting, some may find stale. The same goes with education, considering the different levels of knowledge and different interests people here possess. Merit awarding is also very subjective, as there are no guarantees you'll be merited even if you consistently post quality stuff.

That being said, helping others is good, but few people here actually need help. You certainly shouldn't be helping if you're expecting something in return. Just participate in the best way you can and the merit should come to you sooner or later.

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April 27, 2018, 04:43:25 PM
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According to a blogger, David Wiley, the core issue in determining the quality of any educational resource is the degree to which it supports learning. He said that when people say “high quality” they actually mean all these things (author credentials, review by faculty, copy edited by professionals, laid out by graphic designers, contains beautiful imagery, provided in multiple formats etc.) EXCEPT effectiveness.

So, “high quality” means effectiveness in educating others. If no merits have been given to you even if you think you are writing high quality comments and posts, maybe those are not as effective as they appear to be. Do not  always think whether you will be merited or not when commenting or posting. Rather, think about how you can help others and what you can teach them.

Does this blogger have a study he's referencing or some facts that back up his hypothesis that when people say "high quality" they're not referring to the quality and effectiveness of the content.

I agree with you that "high quality" means the effectiveness of educating others. And when I use the phrase "high quality" that's exactly what I'm referring to. I'm not referring to faculty review or the author's credentials.

And on this forum the bar for the term "high quality" is actually lower than what you're describing. The reason people bring it up is because new members want to participate in campaigns and their post quality is dreadful - they don't add any new information to the discussion.

If our newer members start getting more effective in educating others you'll stop seeing all these references to "high quality".

 
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April 27, 2018, 04:57:46 PM
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Can I turn the question round and answer the question "What is not a high quality post"?

One annoying practice that I see with increasing frequency is a worthless necro-bump. If a new member necro-bumps a thread, it is extremely unlikely that his post will have any value, and it will probably just be a repeat of a preivously posted reply that he hasn't bothered to read. Necro-bumps are often fleshed out variations of the statement ' I agree'.

Note to newbies. When I am considering awarding a merit, I often look at post history. If I see that there are several spammy one liners, then I won't award the merit.  Merit is designed to prevent worthless spammers from achieving higher ranks, and I support that initiative.

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You're trying to explain it OP, but it's not that easy. The posts that are getting merited don't necessarily have to teach you something, and they don't have to be witty. Because we all have our own ideas about which post is worth a merit there may be as many definitions as there are users. To show you how random the chances of you receiving merit are I've given merit to all of the above posters. I think that all of them gave some interesting opinions and all of their opinions differed from each other, thus IMO they deserve a point. If the system was based on some rules defining quality and importance of a merited post we might go with your definition.
Were you expecting to get merited? What are the chances of every poster in a thread being merited? Think about it.
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You're trying to explain it OP, but it's not that easy. The posts that are getting merited don't necessarily have to teach you something, and they don't have to be witty. Because we all have our own ideas about which post is worth a merit there may be as many definitions as there are users. To show you how random the chances of you receiving merit are I've given merit to all of the above posters. I think that all of them gave some interesting opinions and all of their opinions differed from each other, thus IMO they deserve a point. If the system was based on some rules defining quality and importance of a merited post we might go with your definition.
Were you expecting to get merited? What are the chances of every poster in a thread being merited? Think about it.



I was going to make this same point. As long as the merits are in the hands of someone to give out, then the definition of which posts deserve merits will be based solely on the discretion of the person giving out the merits. What I find worthy of a merit could be completely different from what you find worthy.

Also, before now, I always felt it was almost impossible to get merits through comments but you have shown otherwise.
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May 01, 2018, 07:39:31 AM
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To show you how random the chances of you receiving merit are I've given merit to all of the above posters.
Honestly, I was beginning to think you'd confused the +merit link with something else as I was reading through this thread... hahah Tongue


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I think that all of them gave some interesting opinions and all of their opinions differed from each other, thus IMO they deserve a point. If the system was based on some rules defining quality and importance of a merited post we might go with your definition.
Were you expecting to get merited? What are the chances of every poster in a thread being merited? Think about it.
And for this insight... you get +1 merit Wink

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The posts that are getting merited don't necessarily have to teach you something, and they don't have to be witty. Because we all have our own ideas about which post is worth a merit there may be as many definitions as there are users. >~< I think that all of them gave some interesting opinions and all of their opinions differed from each other, thus IMO they deserve a point.

I absolutely agree with this and my ideas about giving merit are based on this:
A forum provides many functions beyond education, it's more a community of people with shared interests. Making a valuable contribution to that community can manifest itself in numerous ways that others will consider worthy of merit.

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This is far too personal, but I agree with you, mostly. To me, something with a "high quality" needs to be efficient: efficient in telling a story, for instance; efficient in teaching something, entertaining, whatever. But, also, need to be something original and, if possible, make me reflect, push me into a reflexion which leads me to a new idea. This is when something is really useful: when makes you think, when, after reading, you can go to think for a while and take conclusions, those words that can't make you stay indifferent.

No matter the topic, a good poster will always be capable of having others attention and to catch them in his/her speech, for this person needs to be a great story-teller.

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May 01, 2018, 04:37:28 PM
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To be honest, it is a subjective term but considering the mass audience, we have generalized it and framed some parameters to classify any post as high quality. I have seen many posts that have added value to my knowledge but gained almost no merits, on the other hand, there are some worthless posts (in my opinion) are appreciated by some people. According to me, a general high-quality post is something that adds relevant value to the knowledge of the mass audience irrespective minor grammatical or layout mistakes (I am not supporting mistakes, one should always keep improving but I won't ignore the value of the post just because there is some grammatical mistake).
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To be honest, it is a subjective term but considering the mass audience, we have generalized it and framed some parameters to classify any post as high quality. I have seen many posts that have added value to my knowledge but gained almost no merits, on the other hand, there are some worthless posts (in my opinion) are appreciated by some people. According to me, a general high-quality post is something that adds relevant value to the knowledge of the mass audience irrespective minor grammatical or layout mistakes (I am not supporting mistakes, one should always keep improving but I won't ignore the value of the post just because there is some grammatical mistake).
I think your opinion has similarity with mine that sometimes merit is given to worthless posts while some good posts has not been merited, even I see also some threads that open the opportunity for member who feels deserve to receive merits with their posts to be reviewed by the OP. I think if it is getting more threads specially opened to review unmerited posts, here below the beneftis:
1. The objectivity problem will be reduced
2. The purpose of merit system can be maintained
3. Members will still be encouraged to post high quality
4. Merit transaction will be reduced also as there are lot of "free" merit giveaway with really objective review for high quality. Members can be attracted to receive merits by posting in high quality rather than just buying merits.
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