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April 27, 2018, 07:49:04 PM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

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In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.

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April 27, 2018, 08:32:21 PM
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The moment I read your title I asked myself - "Hey where do I sign in to this"

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against him or BCH, but the way he advertise BCH is disgusting. I am not sure if this will pull off but he can't mislead people about it. I know that some people even get confused while sending between exchanges and sometimes they even mix the 2 and send to the wrong address.

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April 27, 2018, 08:41:12 PM
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A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash
I've seen/read actual cases where new buyers got confused several times already. Basically, he's selling counterfeit Bitcoins!

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April 27, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
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The title of this thread is some how not appropriate. "Misleading bitcoin newbies" would have been better put than saying, "Defrauding bitcoin address"

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April 27, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
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I feel that these kind of lawsuits will never get off the ground, or are doomed for failure if they ever get started. When nobody owns the Bitcoin trademark and there are thousands of forks getting generated which use the Bitcoin brand, it would be tough to point fingers at Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash.


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April 27, 2018, 09:10:14 PM
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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.


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April 27, 2018, 09:20:26 PM
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I feel that these kind of lawsuits will never get off the ground, or are doomed for failure if they ever get started. When nobody owns the Bitcoin trademark and there are thousands of forks getting generated which use the Bitcoin brand, it would be tough to point fingers at Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash.

Are we sure this isn't an April fools joke sent 27 days late?   This must the capstone to the Bitcoin Cash bashing thugs. Anyone claiming they were mislead about Bitcoin Cash is either lying or not prepared to be involved in the investment world.

It would absolutely be tough to point any fingers at Roger Ver. I can't believe these people are blaming Roger's champion of Bitcoin Cash because the hype didn't take. They have a better case of blaming Bitcoin for being a hard fork target. Hahaha.

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April 27, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
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With how he handled things, that really warrants a class action lawsuit, though I doubt they would really get into it. What he did from a consumer's perspective is fraudulent and you can't defend that no matter how you put it in the court. Nobody owns bitcoin nor bitcoin cash, sure, but misleading people to buy your 'product' (technically, Roger Ver is the face of bitcoin cash and he advertises the hell out of it) while they wanted to buy another product is fraud. I hope that they really are enthusiastic in getting this thing off so as to put Ver behind bars. A once smart man lowered to the ranks of a scum.

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April 27, 2018, 10:46:27 PM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.

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April 27, 2018, 11:19:55 PM
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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.

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April 27, 2018, 11:24:37 PM
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I find this quite positive actually, hopefully it can put some rest to the aggressive conflict between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash.
Roger Ver seems to want to appear as a saint, but he's making many shady decisions that will mislead new people..

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April 27, 2018, 11:26:45 PM
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The way BCH is displayed as bitcoin in bitcoin.con is definitely misleading.He should be ashamed to do this and deserves for a lawsuit to be filled against him.

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April 27, 2018, 11:44:21 PM
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The first thing that needs to be done is for a complaint to be made via the "Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" at WIPO (the World Intellectual Property Organisation)

They make binding rulings/judgments on domain name disputes. If the team behind bitcoin.org make a complaint and that complaint is upheld then the bitcoin.com domain will be transferred therefore ownership and all dns etc will not be in the control of Roger Ver.

Before the fork and creation of Bitcoin Cash there was no need to raise a dispute to try to seize control of bitcoin.com as ALL information was about Bitcoin but now it makes sense to do so because visitors browsing bitcoin.org should expect to get the same information as bitcoin.com and vice-versa. Keeping that format, all visitors browsing bitcoincash.org should get the same information as in bitcoincash.org.

The fact people are downloading Bitcoin Cash wallets when visiting bitcoin.com creates massive confusion so there is a case to take to the arbiter. No doubt Ver will use money he made from Bitcoin ironically to fight the case but hopefully Ver will lose or the arbiter will bypass Ver completely by instructing the domain registrar to hand over access to the owners of bitcoin.org

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April 27, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

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In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.


why do you sue him again dont get that, because he channeled potential profit and money earning cattle from bitcoin to bitcoincash owners?

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April 28, 2018, 12:07:35 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Yup. That's a load of malicious shit that needs dealing with. Whatever your feelings are about BCH, that's flat out deception. Bitcoin.com is the second result for 'buy Bitcoin' for me.

Innocent newcomers should not be raped to appease one nutter's crusade.

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April 28, 2018, 01:31:57 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Yup. That's a load of malicious shit that needs dealing with. Whatever your feelings are about BCH, that's flat out deception. Bitcoin.com is the second result for 'buy Bitcoin' for me.

Innocent newcomers should not be raped to appease one nutter's crusade.

how did he got the domain www.bitcoin.com

this gives him a lot of power

he is not on a crusade,

he is just lobbying

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bitcoin.com and bitcoin cash is a big scam.After LN Bitcoin cash will become absolete
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bitcoin.com and bitcoin cash is a big scam.After LN Bitcoin cash will become absolete
Bitcoin cash is cashing in bitcoin brand.Stayaway

with or without LN makes no matter, bitcoin cash is obsolete NOW and always. increasing the block size didn't make a difference. it just created an illusion of solving the scaling issue and that illusion seemed correct only because nobody was even using BCH and blocks only had a dozen transactions in them unlike bitcoin with ~2000 tx per block.

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Hopefully this will at least give it more coverage in major news publications so the public can become more aware. Any legal experts know whether this lawsuit might have any legal standing in court?

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April 28, 2018, 07:49:45 AM
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What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.
I like the intention behind the lawsuit, to protect new users from the propaganda of misleading new users into believing bitcoin cash as bitcoin but i do not think that he is going to get into any trouble because he is not violating any laws here as he is not rejecting bitcoin but he advertise it as bitcoin core, the other problem is that he is not an US citizen as he renounced his citizen in 2014, i am not sure where this lawsuit will be filed. One positive aspect i see from this lawsuit is that it will give more media attention and awareness to new users so that they do not get deceived.














 

 

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April 28, 2018, 07:51:16 AM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH

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April 28, 2018, 07:55:37 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".

https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Image link: https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.


Certainly can fool newbies that are new to bitcoin. Undecided
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April 28, 2018, 08:04:17 AM
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The way BCH is displayed as bitcoin in bitcoin.con is definitely misleading.He should be ashamed to do this and deserves for a lawsuit to be filled against him.

Is Bitcoin.con a typo or a subtle note that the guy behind the project might be a con man? If it's the latter, then well played!

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April 28, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH

Most people entering the space for the first time would expect not to be deceived by one of the top ranking websites in one's search. That needs calling out and erasing.

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April 28, 2018, 10:13:43 AM
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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.



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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency wouldunderstand the difference between BTC and BCH

Even if the lawsuit "goes nowhere" it will create enough media attention to inform crypto masses that visiting bitcoin.com is more about Bitcoin Cash not Bitcoin and that downloading a wallet from bitcoin.com means you are downloading a Bitcoin Cash wallet.

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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question. People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

....

In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.


I would love for this to happen, let's watch him lose some money for a change.

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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question. People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

It is more than just a philosophic or a marketing but it is the truth and fact. We all already do discuss the scaling problem, and the result is Segregated Witness and the Lightning Network. The segwit adoption shows the fact, the problem is improved but not yet able to solve fully the problem. Then the lightning network solution is coming up and being developed.

I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

But it is useless as said by pooya87.

with or without LN makes no matter, bitcoin cash is obsolete NOW and always. increasing the block size didn't make a difference. it just created an illusion of solving the scaling issue and that illusion seemed correct only because nobody was even using BCH and blocks only had a dozen transactions in them unlike bitcoin with ~2000 tx per block.



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April 28, 2018, 10:46:46 AM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

....

In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.


The outcome of this case at the maximum would only be to compel him to stop the use of the name "bitcoin" and change the name of his website to bitcoin cash since that is what he believes in, there is no point creating confusion over what does not worth  it. Just like when the Bitcoin cash version of Electrum was created and was named Electrum, it was forced to change name and that settles all of it.

I think effort should be focused on getting the message out by to those newbies to understand the difference and be able to make a choice intelligently. Roger is only making use of the resources he has to change get the support he needs, rather than committing resources and publicity to bring him down more should be done on enlightenments.

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April 28, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
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Well Roger Ver actions are not very tolerable and the move against him is just right. But there will be a hard time for this group to make Roger Ver pay for his actions since the name of his coin has also a bitcoin in the beginning. I just hope that community who sued Roger Ver will succeed since if they will fail then in the future people will go into bitcoin cash instead of bitcoin.

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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question.
it has nothing to do with either philosophy nor marketing. the chain with the most support is always going to be bitcoin.
and the problem is not about BCH being the fork, there are lots of forks of bitcoin from stand alone altcoins like LTC to other forked coins like BTG, and 20 others. the problem is that they are misleading people into buying BCash and call that shitcoin as bitcoin.

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People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size.
no we are talking about a rejected scaling proposal that even after it was rejected some people like Roger Ver didn't accept defeat and went against the consensus mechanism and forked anyways.
the scaling is something that is being solved, it is not something that you solve one time. we have SegWit and 10 other things coming to bitcoin with addition of second layer solutions like Lightning network.

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BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.
not at all. what BCH is proving is that if you don't use up block space you can have any size you want. you can have 100000000000000000000000000000000 MB blocks as long as only 0.01-0.05 MB of each is filled with transactions.

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April 28, 2018, 11:54:47 AM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

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April 28, 2018, 01:09:42 PM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH

It has nothing in common with those kinds of lawsuits.
It's like you go and buy a menthol cigarette and they gave you a herbal one.
He is tricking people that bitcoin cash is bitcoin, this is a problem of wrong labeling and misleading your customers.

At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

BCH has not proved anything. (BCC is Bitconnect, and we all know how that ended).
It doesn't ham their network because they only receive ~17k transactions per day, so actually although they have bigger possible blocks their average block size is 64.807 KB.

Let's see how they will deal with 8MB blocks, but fortunately for us, there are not enough morons in this world to use BCH.



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No idea on how the sue progress does but there's only one thing that I'm sure of and we are the same OP, I'm not also going to cry.

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April 28, 2018, 01:44:23 PM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

Yes it's not about the specs, features or coin.
It's about Roger Ver trying to fool people (I almost want to use the word scam)
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April 28, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

Yes it's not about the specs, features or coin.
It's about Roger Ver trying to fool people (I almost want to use the word scam)

Do you think there should be a fundraising BTC address where people can donate towards legal action against Ver forcing him to surrender the bitcoin.com domain?

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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.
Damn, if he gave up his US citizenship than I think it would be very hard to file a lawsuit against him as it all depends now if where he is living now has extradition treaty with the US. Which given the name of the island you mentioned seems very unlikely. I think he knew before hand that there would come a time like this.

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April 28, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.
Damn, if he gave up his US citizenship than I think it would be very hard to file a lawsuit against him as it all depends now if where he is living now has extradition treaty with the US. Which given the name of the island you mentioned seems very unlikely. I think he knew before hand that there would come a time like this.

Extradition is something not being discussed here, not crime has been proven but there is nothing stopping Ver being sued regardless of where he resides.

The key has to be to get the bitcoin.com domain off him and for that to happen the "Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" has to be raised at the WIPO (the World Intellectual Property Organisation). They can award domain name ownership to whichever party they deem should have it.

About potential lawsuits, any legal team in any city in the US can serve notice to Ver or anyone else regardless of where he/they live.

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Lies has no long legs and it'll not last long, I'm bit surprised that it to long and now I hope he stops making such statements. I have seen a idiot crying to all members on a different forum Bch is real bitcoins. There have been so many who have fallen for this. Bitcoins is dancing all the way to top and I'm very happy for the community.

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April 28, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
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Lies has no long legs and it'll not last long, I'm bit surprised that it to long and now I hope he stops making such statements. I have seen a idiot crying to all members on a different forum Bch is real bitcoins. There have been so many who have fallen for this. Bitcoins is dancing all the way to top and I'm very happy for the community.
He is an emotional junkie, i have seen him crying well before when talking about bitcoin and how it has changed the world and will make the world a better place and now he is having that same emotion with bitcoin cash.  Grin The first thing before you invest be it any other invest or into a decentralized market is to learn about the type of investment you are going to make and to verify multiple sources before coming to a decision, since there is no copyright for the word bitcoin, i do not think anyone could win this lawsuit.



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April 28, 2018, 07:31:58 PM
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The truth will always prevail,i dont want to talk about this greedy man but instead i pity those newbie investors who wrongfully invested to bitcoin cash,This arsehole should be put in jain as soon as possible because he isnt doing the right thing isntead he is opposing the bitcoin's vision because he is going to benefit from having his cash in the cryptocurrency market.

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He can only be put in jail if a crime has been committed and clearly none has.

I also have no time for Ver and what he stands for but legally the best chance of stopping the damage he is doing to Bitcoin is by forcing him to hand over the bitcoin.com domain to bitcoin.org team

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so many bitcoin enthusiasts say that Roger Ver is one of the main characters who will damage the crypto world because his greed and such misleading actions, I hope they will have success with this lawsuit.

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April 28, 2018, 10:00:47 PM
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Stay away from Bitcoin.com because it acts like Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin which is Roger Ver's dream. He says Bitcoin Cash (in fact we are not sure if it's BCash, BCH or BCC) is the real Bitcoin and that's totally wrong. Some users on Twitter call BCash as Shitcoin Cash... Bcash is indeed an altcoin but it's definitely not Bitcoin. Bitcoin which created by Satoshi Nakamoto is the real Bitcoin, not the one created by a businessman for more profit.

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Bitcoin has made him so rich and he turns his back on it like a true Judas.
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What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.
He is going to prison again? Do you know why he went to the prison in the first place?
Even if he is going to get sued, he is a fucking millionaire, he'll find his way out of it. Unless he is faced by a damn good lawyer who doesn't give a shit about money, so yeah he is going to get out of the supposed lawsuit even before it begins.

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What is the latest on this? Is there any news or movement on any papers being served on Ver?

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NO ONE should own bitcoin
the bitcoin brand is decentralised. no one has ownership

meaning core do not either

bitcoin core is not 'the only' bitcoin


the community decide what they personally hold in their pocket is cash or core, and only in common terms of talking to others in the same
currency do they abreviate it. but it does not mean the other side cant use the same common abreviation terms aswell

its best explained like this

dollars
no country owns dollars.
there is canadian dollars
there is australian dollars
there is american dollars

an american can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have american dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean an american can claim that australia/canada dont have/use dollars

a canadian can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have canadian dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean a canadian can claim that american/australian dont have/use dollars

an australian can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have australian dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean an australian can claim that america/canada dont have/use dollars

back to describing bitcoin events:
..
unlike clams which was a unilateral fork... bitcoin core and bitcoin cash done a bilateral split.. not unilateral
its not a
_________________core
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or a
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_______/_________cash

but a
           __________core
______/
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it was a bilateral split not a unilateral split..

core DO NOT OWN brand bitcoin............ no one does!!!

th conversation is

european: "i want dollars"
exchange: "is that american, canadian or australian your interested in"

fiat holder: "i want bitcoin"
exchange: "is that core or cash your interested in"

.. and remember this vital point
the BScartel (blockstream & bloq funders) were the ones orchestrating the bilateral split.
namely gmaxwell employing samson mow to USAF propaganda a fake NON-consensus election.. and bloq to implement a fake opponent to core.

so it was the same BSCartel that created bitcoin cash and core fork.. ver did not even instigate it.
so wheres the finger pointing at jgarziq, gavin, and gmaxwell for making bitcoin cash

as for the "victims"
if they wanted to buy bitcoin and only paid ~$800 (under $1k a coin) then they are not a victim

much like fiat
european: "i want dollar.."
exchange: "ok thats 0.61euros per dollar.." hands over 1australian dollar
european: wow thats cheap, but its not a US dollar
exchange. no, you never requested U.S. and you paid the correct amount for a australian dollar
european: ill sue you for not giving me a U.S dollar at the AU rate
exchange: "good luck trying"
vs
european: "i want dollar.."
exchange: "ok thats 0.81euros per dollar.." hands over 1australian dollar
european: whats this crap, its not a US dollar. i paid the price of a U.S dollar
european: ill sue you for not giving me a U.S dollar and giving me a AU dollar but not at the AU rate
exchange: "oh crap i dun goofed"

or more simply
a: "iwant an apple"
b: "thats 50cents" .. hands (a) a fruit apple
a: "i wanted a phone im gonna sue"
b: "for 50cents.. not gonna happen you get what you paid for.. but your a good comedian, goodluck with the day job"
vs
a: "iwant an apple"
b: "thats $500" .. hands (a) a fruit apple
a: "$500 for fruit. i wanted a phone, im gonna sue"
b: "oh crap i dun goofed"

i wonder how many victims paid more than $7k for 1 bitcoin cash... i would say there were none.. so they paid for what they got

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I can see that lawsuit having some merit. We will have to see how it does.

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I can see that lawsuit having some merit. We will have to see how it does.

Without a strong case and without funding being made available there will not be any action taken. Ver has hundreds of millions of US$ to fight off any legal action.

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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 


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April 30, 2018, 05:44:15 AM
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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 

How can he win? There is nothing in the Bitcoin <BTC> Whitepaper that refer to Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core, so that in itself is misrepresentation. He is using www.Reddit.com/r/BTC as a platform to promote Bitcoin Cash <a fork from Bitcoin> and that is your next misrepresentation.

The guy is a scumbag and a snake oil salesman and he needs his day in court. <He has been there before, so it will not be something new to him>

Let him use his money for something constructive and not for sabotaging Bitcoin <BTC>

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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 

How can he win? There is nothing in the Bitcoin <BTC> Whitepaper that refer to Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core, so that in itself is misrepresentation. He is using www.Reddit.com/r/BTC as a platform to promote Bitcoin Cash <a fork from Bitcoin> and that is your next misrepresentation.

The guy is a scumbag and a snake oil salesman and he needs his day in court. <He has been there before, so it will not be something new to him>

Let him use his money for something constructive and not for sabotaging Bitcoin <BTC>

ever since they failed to gain any traction in the market and because people rejected their crap and everyone considers it as an altcoin, they started to undermine bitcoin by calling it a different name "bitcoin core" as if they wanted to pretend bitcoin is the altcoin and their shitcoin is the bitcoin. recently he went as far as using BTC for bitcoin cash and if we let him he is going to use a new ticker for bitcoin to further mislead users.
there has already been reports of newbies buying BCH by mistake because the second search result (bitcoin.com) is calling bitcoin cash, bitcoin and uses BTC as its short form. and that in fact is fraud because he is selling the wrong thing. it is like buying an iPhone but receiving a Nokia instead.

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This person needs to close his project and do something else. Plagiarism of the original product harms the whole community. New people who come to the market confuse the true bitcoin with this shit Ver
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A lot of animosity towards Ver here in this thread and the forum in general, I suppose it is understandable but not something that should be promoted. As for Bitcoin Cash I never considered it anywhere near Bitcoin and always thought of it as an altcoin. There is only one Bitcoin and whales including Ver cannot influence it one bit.

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In some sense this is a type of scamming and definetely if it is true he should pay the consequences. Bitcoin cash wil l never ever replace bitcoin, he is an intelligent man i do not know why he can not get it. In the first place we do not need his bitcoin cash, bitcoin is fine as it is.

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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 


Roger Ver will win the lawsuit and I will tell you why.

When you click on Buy Bitcoins on his site, it takes you to an EXCHANGE.
Once on the exchange the person picks the coin they want to buy.

It is on the exchange the actual purchase of coins take place not Roger Ver 's website.

If a person did not bother to read the symbol of the coin they were buying, that is literally that person's fault and no one else.
Plus there was nothing stopping them from immediately selling one or the other and then buying the one they wanted.

As far as the ticker goes, I doubt he could care less.  But his counter suit for deflation and lawyer fees will just go to his pocket so he can buy more bitcoin cash.

Odds are these people raising money to file a supposed lawsuit are probably scammers taking advantages of (mainline bitcore supporters) need to want to hate Roger Ver because he switched to supporting BCH.
They will probably just pocket the donations and make up some lame excuse why the lawsuit did not happen, but they will keep the bitcoins donated by the clueless.
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Please visit my thread here about Ver's BCash campaign in twitter:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3369820.msg35308628#msg35308628

Be sure to report the account in the basis of impersonation or anything else possibly related. We can take it down if we make enough force. It was already taken down before and recovered. If we take it down enough times they will not be able to recover it. Im tired of seeing noobs lossing money on this altcoin because they think they are buying Bitcoin. Some people I know already asked me why their bitcoins were only worth $1000 while mine are worth $9000. This is simply nuts.

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bitcoin.com and bitcoin cash is a big scam.After LN Bitcoin cash will become absolete
Bitcoin cash is cashing in bitcoin brand.Stayaway

with or without LN makes no matter, bitcoin cash is obsolete NOW and always. increasing the block size didn't make a difference. it just created an illusion of solving the scaling issue and that illusion seemed correct only because nobody was even using BCH and blocks only had a dozen transactions in them unlike bitcoin with ~2000 tx per block.
Ver made his coin obsolete when be paid to constantly spam the mainchain, this led to coming together and making of 2mb segwit blocks which were a vast improvement. Now LN is just another nail in the coffin.

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_________________core
            \_________cash

or a
             _________core
_______/_________cash

but a
           __________core
______/
          \__________cash

it was a bilateral split not a unilateral split..


When will you stop this bullshit?


What actually happened:

_________________Bitcoin
            \_________Bcash


End of history. Which means, Roger Ver is promoting an altcoin as if it was Bitcoin, not cool. I have people asking me, "hey cellard, why is my Bitcoin worth $1000, and your Bitcoin is worth $9500". This is obviously nuts and helping no one. Stop the nonsense, BCash is an altcoin, you can circle jerk around this fact all day, you can call segwit an altcoin, at the end of the day, facts remain.

PS: I dont use segwit, so please don't tell me about how it is unsafe and whatnot.

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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 

In the unlikely event Ver wins, he has no basis to take ownership of bitcoin.com domain or BTC ticker.

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I was a bitcoin enthusiast and had kept bitcoins in a ledger where it forked and gave me my "freebies" BCH. I was a hater of Roger until I realized that BCH is healthy, it keeps the balance between sheep and the real bitcoin supporters. I don't give a fuck to those who were fooled by Roger or being mislead by bitcoin.com; They awesomely deserved it - I always tell my peers that if they want to get into bitcoins they should do a lot of reading first, the sheep will always buy what is trending without even understanding it's use or what is it all about.

And hey you know what? these so called "mislead newbies" are the ones who had sold their bitcoins in January that's why the price went down rapidly. So hey now you better ask yourself if is it really worth to sue Roger Ver.

I used to hate Roger Ver, you may read all my posts in November or December of last year... but it's better to think for yourselves rather than being emotional between the rivalry of these two coins. You may HATE Roger Ver but I don't think filing a lawsuit against him is justice; Like everyone of us, he wants to make money - and if you will only open your mind, he has opened an opportunity for me and you to become rich as long as you know how to ride the waves... buy BCH while it is sleeping, then sell it during pumps. I learned it the hard way. BCH is an awesome pump and dump coin... you better deal with it!

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April 30, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
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I do not like or hate Roger Ver, he is a nothing and a nobody to me. I just do not like or appreciate the reasons for creating the fork resulting in Bitcoin Cash and using bitcoin.com to push Bitcoin Cash

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hahaha so many people got fraud here. where do they sign up?
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I have no idea whether a lawsuit could be won against him, but I would certainly welcome it Tongue
How does he have the audacity to call that trash Bitcoin fork the real Bitcoin. Imagine that newbies send their freshly bought Bitcoins to a BCH address by mistake.

Could definitely see some of those mistakes happen due to newbies getting confused by false statements like that.

But what if Roger Ver wins the lawsuit, would that give him a precedent to counter sue and use the win as a legal advantage to force the exchanges to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?

Plus would the win, if he wins, mean that "Bitcoin Cash" and "Bitcoin Core" are both "BTC" and both have the right to use the ticker?
 

How can he win? There is nothing in the Bitcoin <BTC> Whitepaper that refer to Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core, so that in itself is misrepresentation. He is using www.Reddit.com/r/BTC as a platform to promote Bitcoin Cash <a fork from Bitcoin> and that is your next misrepresentation.

The guy is a scumbag and a snake oil salesman and he needs his day in court. <He has been there before, so it will not be something new to him>

Let him use his money for something constructive and not for sabotaging Bitcoin <BTC>

Anyone can win a class action lawsuit with a good lawyer.

At any rate, I ask "what if" he wins. Then would that be a precedent that Bitcoin Cash "can also be Bitcoin" like the "Dollar" can also be the Australian Dollar or the Canadian Dollar, not just the US Dollar.

Then can Roger Ver take it further by threatening to sue the exchanges to pressure them to use the "BTC" ticker for Bitcoin Cash?


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May 01, 2018, 06:26:03 AM
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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.
Damn, if he gave up his US citizenship than I think it would be very hard to file a lawsuit against him as it all depends now if where he is living now has extradition treaty with the US. Which given the name of the island you mentioned seems very unlikely. I think he knew before hand that there would come a time like this.

Extradition is something not being discussed here, not crime has been proven but there is nothing stopping Ver being sued regardless of where he resides.

The key has to be to get the bitcoin.com domain off him and for that to happen the "Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" has to be raised at the WIPO (the World Intellectual Property Organisation). They can award domain name ownership to whichever party they deem should have it.

About potential lawsuits, any legal team in any city in the US can serve notice to Ver or anyone else regardless of where he/they live.

It would be a great achievement if he were forced to give up the domain, just highly unlikely. The creator of the original Bitcoin would probably not show up in Court and claim the domain.

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I think you have a good point also i have an acount to that website too and i can say that there are some feastures that looks like familiar in realy bitcoin, and if you are a newbie or noob that no one guides you there you may think that there bitcoin cash and bitcoin BTC is the same.

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This is a good thing, if someone is manipulating crypto investors, he should be properly dealt with. I hope his punishments sets an example for other fraudsters and cheaters involved with crypto projects.
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May 01, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
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It would be a great achievement if he were forced to give up the domain, just highly unlikely. The creator of the original Bitcoin would probably not show up in Court and claim the domain.

The original creators do not need to show up in court, anyone can raise a compaint using the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy. It is the WIPO that decides everything else, no need for people to attend a hearing. As for Satoshi (a person or group of coders) making representation is not necessary, the people behind the bitcooin.org domain are the ones who should try to get control of the bitcoin.com domain.

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May 01, 2018, 09:38:21 AM
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bitcoin.com and bitcoin cash is a big scam.After LN Bitcoin cash will become absolete
Bitcoin cash is cashing in bitcoin brand.Stayaway

with or without LN makes no matter, bitcoin cash is obsolete NOW and always. increasing the block size didn't make a difference. it just created an illusion of solving the scaling issue and that illusion seemed correct only because nobody was even using BCH and blocks only had a dozen transactions in them unlike bitcoin with ~2000 tx per block.

I am also waiting for this mass adoption of bitcoin cash to happen. This is to see if increasing the block size helped in the scaling and to see if it really works. So I'm okay with the advertisements his doing but not his misleadings. 

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May 01, 2018, 09:47:39 AM
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He's tweaked it back to Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Core now by the looks of things, the cheeky fella.

I would love to know how many complaints his site has received from people who were duped. Or perhaps they bin them immediately because they believe they've saved their customers from baby killers.


it was a bilateral split not a unilateral split..

A flat out lie.

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Seems like a lot of the mess can be sorted out simply if Ver was make it CLEAR that whatever is on display at bitcoin.com is ALL about Bitcoin Cash

What Ver is doing is creating a cloud of confusion at bitcoin.com which minimally states the smallest information about the fork. Seasoned crypto users will know what is going on and how to avoid sending Bitcoin funds to Bitcoin Cash and vice-versa but novices will not be able to distinguish between the two.

Ver is using bitcoin.com to promote Bitcoin Cash and that is plain wrong for someone to do that who does not believe in the future of Bitcoin.

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I was a bitcoin enthusiast and had kept bitcoins in a ledger where it forked and gave me my "freebies" BCH. I was a hater of Roger until I realized that BCH is healthy, it keeps the balance between sheep and the real bitcoin supporters. I don't give a fuck to those who were fooled by Roger or being mislead by bitcoin.com; They awesomely deserved it - I always tell my peers that if they want to get into bitcoins they should do a lot of reading first, the sheep will always buy what is trending without even understanding it's use or what is it all about.

And hey you know what? these so called "mislead newbies" are the ones who had sold their bitcoins in January that's why the price went down rapidly. So hey now you better ask yourself if is it really worth to sue Roger Ver.

I used to hate Roger Ver, you may read all my posts in November or December of last year... but it's better to think for yourselves rather than being emotional between the rivalry of these two coins. You may HATE Roger Ver but I don't think filing a lawsuit against him is justice; Like everyone of us, he wants to make money - and if you will only open your mind, he has opened an opportunity for me and you to become rich as long as you know how to ride the waves... buy BCH while it is sleeping, then sell it during pumps. I learned it the hard way. BCH is an awesome pump and dump coin... you better deal with it!

Indeed, users should obviously do due diligence before making any investments, but there is a problem: it doesn't simply end with a lesson to be learn for newbies, it will have an impact on your Bitcoin holdings.

When a ton of newbies get tricked into buying BCash thinking they are buying Bitcoin through Roger Ver's sources of massive traffic, the price pumps, generating an incentive for Bitcoin miners to go mine BCash while the pump lasts. As a result the Bitcoin price may go down as the hashrate moves from Bitcoin to BCash to profit from the pump, and im not willing to tolerate this bullshit for any longer. I don't want these idiots to be juggling to Bitcoin's hashrate around whenever Ver pumps BCash. The twitter and Bitcoin.com sites need to be obliterated.

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Indeed, users should obviously do due diligence before making any investments, but there is a problem: it doesn't simply end with a lesson to be learn for newbies, it will have an impact on your Bitcoin holdings.

When a ton of newbies get tricked into buying BCash thinking they are buying Bitcoin through Roger Ver's sources of massive traffic, the price pumps, generating an incentive for Bitcoin miners to go mine BCash while the pump lasts. As a result the Bitcoin price may go down as the hashrate moves from Bitcoin to BCash to profit from the pump, and im not willing to tolerate this bullshit for any longer. I don't want these idiots to be juggling to Bitcoin's hashrate around whenever Ver pumps BCash. The twitter and Bitcoin.com sites need to be obliterated.

The honourable thing for Ver would be to surrender and transfer the bitcoin.com domain to the team behind bitcoin.org

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NO ONE should own bitcoin
the bitcoin brand is decentralised. no one has ownership

meaning core do not either

bitcoin core is not 'the only' bitcoin


the community decide what they personally hold in their pocket is cash or core, and only in common terms of talking to others in the same
currency do they abreviate it. but it does not mean the other side cant use the same common abreviation terms aswell

its best explained like this

dollars
no country owns dollars.
there is canadian dollars
there is australian dollars
there is american dollars

an american can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have american dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean an american can claim that australia/canada dont have/use dollars

a canadian can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have canadian dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean a canadian can claim that american/australian dont have/use dollars

an australian can for the simplicity of common conversation say that what they have in their pockets are dollars.
bit the reality is they have australian dollars in their pocket
but in no way does it mean an australian can claim that america/canada dont have/use dollars



In my post 6 or 7 levels above this, I expressed that I understand what you are trying to say and I agree with it to a point. But that is not the problem. The problem is Roger Ver and the confusion he is creating by confusing the people that Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin.

Look at his site and you can see what I mean, https://www.bitcoin.com/

What if a newbie buys Bitcoin Cash and then believing it to be Bitcoin? What if Bitcoin Cash crashes and Bitcoin climbs to $100,000 with the newbie thinking he struck gold?

Do you agree with Roger Ver's way of representing Bitcoin Cash in his site? Do you believe it's right?


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Its so unfortunate that such established figures use their influence and knowledge to defraud innocent investors who's only intention is to make something out of their investments. Such people should be held responsible for their activities. Its unfortunate hat such things happen. The newbies should however be encouraged to do more research on the coins they invest in before making investment decisions. This way they will avoid not only being scammed but also making wrong investment moves.

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What if a newbie buys Bitcoin Cash and then believing it to be Bitcoin? What if Bitcoin Cash crashes and Bitcoin climbs to $100,000 with the newbie thinking he struck gold?

it is not about the price. the newbie may buy bitcoin cash and it actually goes to $1 billion billion and bitcoin dies and drops to zero, and it still wouldn't change  what bitcoin.com is doing. they are attempting fraud.

people are looking to buy bitcoin, they go to bitcoin.com and buy what they call bitcoin but receive something else. this is fraud.
imagine you go to Amazon and purchase what they are calling Core i7 CPU but when you receive the shipment and open up the box inside is a Core i3 CPU. if you are a newbie you will install this CPU and always wonder why your computer is not processing as fast.

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What if a newbie buys Bitcoin Cash and then believing it to be Bitcoin? What if Bitcoin Cash crashes and Bitcoin climbs to $100,000 with the newbie thinking he struck gold?

Do you agree with Roger Ver's way of representing Bitcoin Cash in his site? Do you believe it's right?

then I think a newbie needs to read more about the different of bitcoin cash and bitcoin and they need to understand that bitcoin is bitcoin and bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash, and it's not the same. and if they still believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin and bitcoin cash is crashed like you said, then they will regret it for what they believing.

like I said before, bitcoin is bitcoin, nothing can compare with bitcoin and every coin even with the coin that called bitcoin A or bitcoin B or else, it will different than bitcoin. bitcoin still bitcoin and it will remain as bitcoin forever.

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I am happy that he is going to face legal action for manipulating new investors. These kind of people do a lot of harm to crypto community as they affect the trust of people.
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I hope this forces Ver to reflect back on his actions and look at how people perceive it. Say what you want about what is signed into law and all, but this IS misleading. It is not fair to new people, especially the ones who might have bought fake bitcoin a week ago when the fake mooned and has predictably dumped now.

Ver is a Judas to BTC and BCH. He needs to keep his emotions in line if he wants BTC or BCH to go anywhere and stop being so goddamn deceptive.

And if this is considered "legal" by the courts, I think a lot of people will sell some fake coin and call it bitcoin to screw newbies. Despite how everything is defined legally, anyone can clearly see this is fraudulent
 

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Yes, they plan to adapt Bitcoin cash and promotion.
They promise to newbie that the price will be 10K in the end of the year .
I think this is not right.

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May 02, 2018, 07:26:05 AM
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This was bound to happen, in similar posts about him on this forum, some people suggested that. When you are doing fraud at such big scale, it is just matter of time someone influential becomes a victim.
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May 02, 2018, 09:53:44 AM
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I hope this forces Ver to reflect back on his actions and look at how people perceive it. Say what you want about what is signed into law and all, but this IS misleading. It is not fair to new people, especially the ones who might have bought fake bitcoin a week ago when the fake mooned and has predictably dumped now.

Ver is a Judas to BTC and BCH. He needs to keep his emotions in line if he wants BTC or BCH to go anywhere and stop being so goddamn deceptive.

And if this is considered "legal" by the courts, I think a lot of people will sell some fake coin and call it bitcoin to screw newbies. Despite how everything is defined legally, anyone can clearly see this is fraudulent
 

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crpto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

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Indeed, users should obviously do due diligence before making any investments, but there is a problem: it doesn't simply end with a lesson to be learn for newbies, it will have an impact on your Bitcoin holdings.

When a ton of newbies get tricked into buying BCash thinking they are buying Bitcoin through Roger Ver's sources of massive traffic, the price pumps, generating an incentive for Bitcoin miners to go mine BCash while the pump lasts. As a result the Bitcoin price may go down as the hashrate moves from Bitcoin to BCash to profit from the pump, and im not willing to tolerate this bullshit for any longer. I don't want these idiots to be juggling to Bitcoin's hashrate around whenever Ver pumps BCash. The twitter and Bitcoin.com sites need to be obliterated.

The honourable thing for Ver would be to surrender and transfer the bitcoin.com domain to the team behind bitcoin.org

That's not really needed. It's not a matter of who controls bitcoin.com, but the information being misleading or not. Roger Ver can keep his website, if he corrects the fact that Bitcoin is Bitcoin (BTC) and BCash is BCash (or Bitcoin Cash), that's BCH. It's as simple as that. If he continues tricking people into buying an altcoin advertised as Bitcoin, then class action lawsuits will follow, and the site will be better off closed, rather than continuing his ridiculous propaganda scheme.

Same goes for the @Bitcoin twitter handle. It should simply be closed.

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May 02, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
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That's not really needed. It's not a matter of who controls bitcoin.com, but the information being misleading or not. Roger Ver can keep his website, if he corrects the fact that Bitcoin is Bitcoin (BTC) and BCash is BCash (or Bitcoin Cash), that's BCH. It's as simple as that. If he continues tricking people into buying an altcoin advertised as Bitcoin, then class action lawsuits will follow, and the site will be better off closed, rather than continuing his ridiculous propaganda scheme.

Same goes for the @Bitcoin twitter handle. It should simply be closed.

Who is operating the @bitcoin twitter handle?

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What if a newbie buys Bitcoin Cash and then believing it to be Bitcoin? What if Bitcoin Cash crashes and Bitcoin climbs to $100,000 with the newbie thinking he struck gold?

Do you agree with Roger Ver's way of representing Bitcoin Cash in his site? Do you believe it's right?

then I think a newbie needs to read more about the different of bitcoin cash and bitcoin and they need to understand that bitcoin is bitcoin and bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash, and it's not the same. and if they still believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin and bitcoin cash is crashed like you said, then they will regret it for what they believing.

Newbies have to educate themselves, true. But that does not mean what the trickster Roger Ver is doing is right.

We should tell everyone in the forum about the truth on Roger Ver at every opportunity.

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like I said before, bitcoin is bitcoin, nothing can compare with bitcoin and every coin even with the coin that called bitcoin A or bitcoin B or else, it will different than bitcoin. bitcoin still bitcoin and it will remain as bitcoin forever.

They can also call it "Bitcoin Core" if they want to as long as it refers to "Bitcoin".


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People should realize Bitcoin has become a First name to ~17 coins, so asking the last part of the name is crucial to buying the right coin.

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The problem is not the use of the word "Bitcoin". Anyone can use the name. The problem is Roger Ver telling everyone who are new to Bitcoin and don't know anything what is going on that "Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin".

What if a person buys BCH with the expectation to hold BTC?


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Worst of all is when these newbies hits the exchange, they are already confused and they see a Bitcoin that are 7 times cheaper than BTC and they think it is a bargain price to own bitcoins. Who would not buy "Bitcoin", when you see that it is 7 times cheaper? They will not know the difference between the genuine product <BTC> and the cheap knockoff <Bitcoin Cash>.

I hope there are enough people supporting this, because this is highly unethical and this should be stopped, before a lot of people lose money on this fake coin. <Bitcoin Cash>  

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Newbies might also send their Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin addresses, losing their coins altogether before they can trade them. This really is Roger Ver being a scheming individual that he is, and trying to scam his way to what he wants regardless of the cost.



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Only one word is needed to describe this topic,

PETTY

Maybe next time teach those newbies how to READ!



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Newbies might also send their Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin CORE addresses, losing their coins altogether before they can trade them. This really is Roger Ver being a scheming individual that he is, and trying to scam his way to what he wants regardless of the cost.

FTFY
again, you still seem to think that bitcoin core network is bitcoin

using the analogy
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a dollar account, losing their funds altogether
.. see how it dosnt make conversational sense

you need to make it conversationally clear when talking about cross border currencies
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a U.S dollar account, losing their funds altogether
FTFY

as said in many propaganda topics trying to make it seem core deserve to own "bitcoin".. people need to be clear that "bitcoin" is not owned by one team. if anyone continues to promote one team own "bitcoin" then they are just trying to centralise "bitcoin"

if you really cared about bitcoin decentralisation. you and the other propagandists would.. if you really cared you would be also trying to attack bitcoin.org for trying to claim core own "bitcoin".

but its funny that i have yet to see anyone attack theymos for promoting core as just "bitcoin" and its funny they dont attack Jgarzic(bloq) for making bitcoin cash.

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People should realize Bitcoin has become a First name to ~17 coins, so asking the last part of the name is crucial to buying the right coin.

List of Coins with the name Bitcoin  Tongue
Bitcoin 21
Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X   
Bitcoin Z


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*I looked at Bitcoin.com before the scam lawsuit and just now, Looks exactly the same! * Smiley

It seems you are so happy that the lawsuit got cancelled, good for you and for Roger Ver but the majority of the crypto community hoped he would get taken to court. A court case would have highlighted the issues and that would have been the real victory even if the judge awarded the case in favour of Ver.

About your list of coins using the name Bitcoin in them, when you go to their websites (those that have them) they do not confuse people in to thinking their Bitcoin derivative is the 'original/real' Bitcoin and those websites do not use their bitcoinderivative.com domain to confuse users by downloading Bitcoin Cash wallets Smiley

By your logic if users went to bitcoincash.org and saw the whole website about Bitcoin Cash and moved to download a wallet, they should not find it a problem if they downloaded say a wallet belonging to:

Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
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If you go to bitcoincash.org you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Cash. If you go to bitcoinatom.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Atom. If you go to bitcoindiamond.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Diamond.

If you go to bitcoin.com you expect to find a wallet download link for "Bitcoin"

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crypto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

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I also agree with the fact that Roger Believe played like a child in intrigas around the bitcoin and with Bitcoin Cash advertising. There is evidence that he is introducing newcomers to delusions and for this he must answer according to the laws.

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All this is a well thought out marketing bitcoin cash. He made a coin that is very similar to bitcoin (even the name) that can plague new investors. I think this is one of the marketing methods. You can condemn this man and admire. Smiley

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All this is a well thought out marketing bitcoin cash. He made a coin that is very similar to bitcoin (even the name) that can plague new investors. I think this is one of the marketing methods. You can condemn this man and admire. Smiley

You will not find people many that admire Ver, he has not even sold his own Bitcoins and put all his investment in Bitcoin Cash.

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Such fraudsters should be discovered to be penalized because this is considered a fraudulent act of money and exploitation of others. I think there are many other cases, but we do not know who it is, in the future, more people will be cheated.

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If you go to bitcoincash.org you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Cash. If you go to bitcoinatom.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Atom. If you go to bitcoindiamond.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Diamond.

If you go to bitcoin.com you expect to find a wallet download link for "Bitcoin"

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crypto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

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At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

At the end of the day when people visit dash.org and click the download wallet link, they expect to download Dash Wallet not a Litecoin Wallet.

No need for anyone to copyright anything. If there were 100 websites to pop up all with the name bitcoincash within them and they all claimed to be the official or real Bitcoin Cash and all had a download wallet link which downloaded Bitcoin Atom wallets then I think Ver would have a problem with it. That is the issue at root here.

Do not get me wrong, if there is money that I can make from Bitcoin Cash I will make it just I would any other coin. I am not a Bitcoin fanatic, I do not dislike Bitcoin Cash. I disagree with the reasons provided by two very large Bitcoin whales (Ver being one, Zhuoer being the other) behind forking Bitcoin to make Bitcoin Cash. Nobody else wanted it and nobody would care about it but they both had thousands of Bitcoin between them so created the fork.

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This lawsuit was a wildgoose chase, destined to fail. I cant believe there were people dumb enough thinking anything good will come out of it. Roger wins again. The sooner people realize how decentralisation works the better
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At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

At the end of the day when people visit dash.org and click the download wallet link, they expect to download Dash Wallet not a Litecoin Wallet.

No need for anyone to copyright anything. If there were 100 websites to pop up all with the name bitcoincash within them and they all claimed to be the official or real Bitcoin Cash and all had a download wallet link which downloaded Bitcoin Atom wallets then I think Ver would have a problem with it. That is the issue at root here.

Do not get me wrong, if there is money that I can make from Bitcoin Cash I will make it just I would any other coin. I am not a Bitcoin fanatic, I do not dislike Bitcoin Cash. I disagree with the reasons provided by two very large Bitcoin whales (Ver being one, Zhuoer being the other) behind forking Bitcoin to make Bitcoin Cash. Nobody else wanted it and nobody would care about it but they both had thousands of Bitcoin between them so created the fork.

Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states
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Supports both Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core

Switch between the two currencies effortlessly.

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.


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yes it seems roger ver try hard to make the name of bitcoin cash into bitcoin so i can see the core of the desire roger ver is trying to replace bitcoin position to bitcoin cash in my opinion it is very horrible because it makes new players misguided about the difference of bitcoin and bitcoin cash.

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yes it seems roger ver try hard to make the name of bitcoin cash into bitcoin so i can see the core of the desire roger ver is trying to replace bitcoin position to bitcoin cash in my opinion it is very horrible because it makes new players misguided about the difference of bitcoin and bitcoin cash.


Guy ,  the wallet down load supports Cash & Core, did you even bother to look at his site before making up lies.
Waybackmachine confirmed it say the same back in Jan.

Or were you too lazy to even read the post directly above yours.  Tongue



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Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states
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Supports both Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core

Switch between the two currencies effortlessly.

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.

bitcoin.com is owned by Ver and he is using that domain to deliberately NOT clarify the position between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash thus creating confusion for newbies and some experienced users.

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Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states
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Supports both Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core

Switch between the two currencies effortlessly.

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.

bitcoin.com is owned by Ver and he is using that domain to deliberately NOT clarify the position between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash thus creating confusion for newbies and some experienced users.


Exactly how, he lists Cash & Core?

Show me 1 Experienced User that claims he was too stupid to know the difference between Cash & Core.
Because I have a hard time believing these people are as stupid as you claim.

I think more likely ,
you have some that just really hate Ver, which means they know the difference, and a few others that just thought they would get a payday from a class action suit, so they lied.

Why you want to claim these people are complete morons is beyond me.

Well the Lawsuit been dropped because it was scam, and any lawyer could tell you it was a losing case.
So who among the supporters of the failed lawsuit, wants to come out of the stupid closet and admit they are a moron,
so we know to bubble wrap them so they don't hurt themselves in future endeavors.   Wink

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Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states
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Supports both Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core

Switch between the two currencies effortlessly.

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.

bitcoin.com is owned by Ver and he is using that domain to deliberately NOT clarify the position between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash thus creating confusion for newbies and some experienced users.


Exactly how, he lists Cash & Core?

Show me 1 Experienced User that claims he was too stupid to know the difference between Cash & Core.
Because I have a hard time believing these people are as stupid as you claim.

I think more likely ,
you have some that just really hate Ver, which means they know the difference, and a few others that just thought they would get a payday from a class action suit, so they lied.

Why you want to claim these people are complete morons is beyond me.

Well the Lawsuit been dropped because it was scam, and any lawyer could tell you it was a losing case.
So who among the supporters of the failed lawsuit, wants to come out of the stupid closet and admit they are a moron,
so we know to bubble wrap them so they don't hurt themselves in future endeavors.   Wink

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Funny how you can't answer a simple question.

Enjoy your mindless hate mongering. Cheesy

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It would have been nice if a case like this will go in favour of the people who filed the case in order to serve as deterrent to any one or persons who may want to use same method to cheat. There are so many scams associated with bitcoin fork, so any potential investor must be very careful.

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Funny how you can't answer a simple question.

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There are fake versions of Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero on the market. If this gets a lawsuit, those should as well.

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There are fake versions of Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero on the market. If this gets a lawsuit, those should as well.

they dont call themselves fake versions, actually they are just people doing a "me too" cryptocurrency, similar like those companies that imitate kellogs and also create breakfeast fries under a different logo, there was no god telling everyone that bitcoin and sathshi nakamoto is now the worlds cryptocurrency.

bitcoin was the group that dared to make it, as everyone else was scared (illegal no license) or didnt believed doing one was worth it, even nakamoto doubted the success.

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There are fake versions of Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero on the market. If this gets a lawsuit, those should as well.

they dont call themselves fake versions, actually they are just people doing a "me too" cryptocurrency, similar like those companies that imitate kellogs and also create breakfeast fries under a different logo, there was no god telling everyone that bitcoin and sathshi nakamoto is now the worlds cryptocurrency.

bitcoin was the group that dared to make it, as everyone else was scared (illegal no license) or didnt believed doing one was worth it, even nakamoto doubted the success.

to clarify things

if a coin is 99% reused code, but restarts at block zero with a few alterations to average block time and total supply. these are known as shitcoins and should not contain the word "bitcoin" at all as they have no tx history belonging to the chain satoshi himself used (no satoshi to hal tx for instance)

if a coin does contain some historic data that belongs to satoshis genesis block and tx of known bitcoin users. then it could use the "bitcoin" brand
however if they forked without a "bitcoin" event its a unilateral fork. so it could also make its own name (clams for instance)

now the thing with bitcoin core and bitcoin cash specifically is that both bitcoin core and bitcoin cash had a promoted bilateral SPLIT event. yep they both split and both went in different directions to the old chain. so they should use the "bitcoin" name

but remember no dev team should own the brand. yep that includes the bitcoin core team too.

for instance. the "dollar" comparison
originating from british colonies. when countries split from british empire currency they used was "dollar".
very technically. if i was to be anal. satoshi's invention 2009-2013 "bitcoin" would have been the "pound", yea very anal
and then when core took over 2013, core became the "dollar" and thus should not have been called "bitcoin"(pound).. but something else...
.. yes there was discussion to rename it core coin. but in the end they stuck with "bitcoin" because forks and switching names was not a thing then

but thats just going real anal so lets ignore the satoshi-qt to bitcoin core switch(2009-2013)

so lets just start things from the "dollar" perspective that had british colony backstory
so lets just start things from the "bitcoin" perspective of 2013+ that had satoshi genesis and certain amount of satoshi's tx data(2009-2013)

anyway. because certain coins did derive from and includes data of the 2013+ chain so should use the "bitcoin". but just like dollar. its important to inform people if its bitcoin core or bitcoin cash.(U.S or A.U) and to stop treating just one as the one and only "bitcoin" and stop trying to say the other is fraud, fake, non existant.

this means bitcoin.org should not pretend core is the only bitcoin. nor should bitcoin.org pretend bitcoin cash does not exist

yes in local closed door common conversation can people abbreviate bitcoin core or bitcoin cash to "bitcoin" when trading with other like minded community that use the same network. but should never declare to the whole world that only one network team OWN the brand.

EG australians in australia can just say dollar. but when talking openly to the world it must be clarified that they are talking about A.U dollar
EG amerians in america can just say dollar. but when talking openly to the world it must be clarified that they are talking about U.S dollar

EG core in core specifc areas can just say bitcoin for abbreviated conversation sake. but when talking openly in open non specific forums must clarify that they are talking about bitcoin core
EG cash in cash specific areas can just say bitcoin for abbreviated conversation sake. but when talking openly in non specific forums must clarify that they are talking about bitcoin cash

other coins which just decided without any "bitcoin" event. to start running a node on a separate network is not a bilatral split.and thus have less prominance to declare they are part of the "bitcoin" family.

again this whole thing could have been avoided IF he core team and their partner bloq did not do a bilateral split. because the reality is that core is not the sole owner of "bitcoin" no matter how much people want to pretend it is. no matter how many lawsuits they want to file core should not have sole ownership of "bitcoin"

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May 05, 2018, 02:21:39 AM
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There are fake versions of Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero on the market. If this gets a lawsuit, those should as well.

they dont call themselves fake versions, actually they are just people doing a "me too" cryptocurrency, similar like those companies that imitate kellogs and also create breakfeast fries under a different logo, there was no god telling everyone that bitcoin and sathshi nakamoto is now the worlds cryptocurrency.

bitcoin was the group that dared to make it, as everyone else was scared (illegal no license) or didnt believed doing one was worth it, even nakamoto doubted the success.

to clarify things

if a coin is 99% reused code, but restarts at block zero with a few alterations to average block time and total supply. these are known as shitcoins and should not contain the word "bitcoin" at all as they have no tx history belonging to the chain satoshi himself used (no satoshi to hal tx for instance)

if a coin does contain some historic data that belongs to satoshis genesis block and tx of known bitcoin users. then it could use the "bitcoin" brand
however if they forked without a "bitcoin" event its a unilateral fork. so it could also make its own name (clams for instance)

now the thing with bitcoin core and bitcoin cash specifically is that both bitcoin core and bitcoin cash had a promoted bilateral SPLIT event. yep they both split and both went in different directions to the old chain. so they should use the "bitcoin" name

but remember no dev team should own the brand. yep that includes the bitcoin core team too.

for instance. the "dollar" comparison
originating from british colonies. when countries split from british empire currency they used was "dollar".
very technically. if i was to be anal. satoshi's invention 2009-2013 "bitcoin" would have been the "pound", yea very anal
and then when core took over 2013, core became the "dollar" and thus should not have been called "bitcoin"(pound).. but something else...
.. yes there was discussion to rname it core coin. but in the end they stuck with "bitcoin"

but thats just going real anal so lets ignore the satoshi-qt to bitcoin core switch

and lets just start things from the "dollar" perspective that had british colony backstory
and lets just start things from the "bitcoin" perspective of 2013+ that had satoshi genesis and certain amount of satoshi's tx data

anyway. because certain coins did derive from and includes data of the 2013+ chain so should use the "bitcoin". but just like dollar. its important to inform people if its bitcoin core or bitcoin cash.(U.S or A.U) and to stop treating just one as the one and only "bitcoin" and stop trying to say the other is fraud, fake, non existant.

this means bitcoin.org should not pretend core is the only bitcoin. nor should bitcoin.org pretend bitcoin cash does not exist

yes in local closed door common conversation can people abbreviate bitcoin core or bitcoin cash to "bitcoin" when trading with other like minded community that use the same network. but should never declare to the whole world that only one network team OWN the brand.

EG australians in australia can just say dollar. but when talking openly to the world it must be clarified that they are talking about A.U dollar
EG amerians in america can just say dollar. but when talking openly to the world it must be clarified that they are talking about U.S dollar

EG core in core specifc areas can just say bitcoin for abbreviated conversation sake. but when talking openly in open non specific forums must clarify that they are talking about bitcoin core
EG cash in cash specific areas can just say bitcoin for abbreviated conversation sake. but when talking openly in non specific forums must clarify that they are talking about bitcoin cash

other coins which just decided without any "bitcoin" event. to start running a node on a separate network is not a bilatral split.and thus have less prominance to declare they are part of the "bitcoin" family.

again this whole thing could have been avoided if he core team and their partner block did not do a bilateral split. because the reality is that core is not the owner of bitcoin no matter how much people want to pretend it is. no matter how many lawsuits they want to file core should not have sole ownership of "bitcoin"

when it comes to technology it doesnt matter what was the original bitcoin, do people today still care what the original car is? what the original phone is? what the original first sword or axe is? hell jeah they dont even care what the original paper money bill is, and all its complex technology steps. they dont even give value to it.

they simply dont,

do people use still use netscape navigator because its the original first browser?

no they dont,

it wont matter in the end, that bitcoin is the original first cryptocurrency that dared to challenge the banking cartels.

for me and many others bitcoin is freedom from overregulated and abusive broken banking system, but thats it. bitcoin cant deliver more than that its not designed for more.

the japanese that in masses accept bitcoin should have the best understanding why they shouldn't. ressource efficiency is important for peace and security in east asia, bitcoin was a good start, but it cant be the longterm future.

there is a huge problem comming in the future if there will be more and more cryptocurrencies:
a vast part of the population will think: why am i money earning cattle while others just make it out of nothing.....

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It is such a shame that he had to deceive unsuspecting newbies into buying the wrong bitcoin. People like him make genuine newbie investors "scared" to join the cryptocurrency market. This should sound a stern warn to every investor of bitcoin to be extra careful in choosing where to buy bitcoin. It is easier to find authentic marketplace/exchanges for bitcoin. Sometimes greed makes people overlook glaring flaws. Learn the right way, however tedious it may be.

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When you go to HSBC.com to open an account and order a Visa card you do not expect to find out later that you actually opened an account with Morgan Stanley and will receive a Mastercard instead

When you go to bookmylondonholiday.com for family holiday at the Hilton in London you do not expect to find out later that you actually booked a holiday living in a tent in the desert in war-torn South Sudan

When people go to bitcoin.com they expect to learn about Bitcoin and download a Bitcoin wallet

When people go to bitcoincash.org they expect to learn about Bitcoin Cash and download a Bitcoin Cash wallet

Right now: When people go to bitcoin.com they are learning about Bitcoin Cash and downloading Bitcoin Cash wallets. Not enough clarity is given to differentiate between the two. It is confusing for newbies and others.

The lawsuit was supposed to be about Ver using the bitcoin.com to create confusion and forcing him to stop it and along the way maybe some people that lost money might have got compensated Smiley

This is Roger Ver, the person that united with a couple of whales and created the fork resulting in Bitcoin Cash because they could not wrestle control of Bitcoin. Need I say more?

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There are fake versions of Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero on the market. If this gets a lawsuit, those should as well.

this whole thing about a "lawsuit" is silly to begin with but what you say is even sillier because you are ignoring the big difference here! you would have been correct if Charlie Lee started calling LTC as bitcoin but he is not and he never had. but Roger Ver is continuing to call BCH as bitcoin.














 

 

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 yes with how he handled things, that really warrants a class action lawsuit, though I doubt they would really get into it. What he did from a consumer's perspective is fraudulent and you can't defend that no matter how you put it in the court. Nobody owns bitcoin nor bitcoin cash, sure, but misleading people to buy your 'product' (technically, Roger Ver is the face of bitcoin cash and he advertises the hell out of it) while they wanted to buy another product is fraud. I hope that they really are enthusiastic in getting this thing off so as to put Ver behind bars. A once smart man lowered to the ranks of a scum.
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May 05, 2018, 11:30:42 AM
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yes with how he handled things, that really warrants a class action lawsuit, though I doubt they would really get into it. What he did from a consumer's perspective is fraudulent and you can't defend that no matter how you put it in the court. Nobody owns bitcoin nor bitcoin cash, sure, but misleading people to buy your 'product' (technically, Roger Ver is the face of bitcoin cash and he advertises the hell out of it) while they wanted to buy another product is fraud. I hope that they really are enthusiastic in getting this thing off so as to put Ver behind bars. A once smart man lowered to the ranks of a scum.

He most certainly seemed once upon a time a smart man who had ethics and morals. According to some websites he gave up his US citizenship and moved to St. Kitts & Nevis maybe before he became a Bitcoin millionaire. All this supposedly because he did not agree with various principles of the rule of law in his USA.

How he morphed in to what many people see as anti-bitcoin and bitcoin-hating is a question beyond the fact he could not and never will wrestle control of bitcoin.org and Satoshi's vision of bitcoin. Ver trying to sell Bitcoin Cash as "the real bitcoin as Satoshi has visualised" is about as true as the "Hey Diddle Diddle" nursery rhyme where the cow jumped over moon.

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