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May 05, 2018, 04:30:03 PM
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you keep on repeating the scentiment that the network maintained by core is bitcoin and anything else is an attack.

Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  

The network with the greatest economic majority and accumulated proof of work is Bitcoin and anything else is an altcoin (but are free to call themselves "Bitcoin Whatever" if they like).  

I've always argued emphatically against the ridiculous notion that forks are somehow an "attack" on Bitcoin, much to the consternation of the fanboys (see here, here and most significantly here).  You should know this because you were right there doing it with me, heh.  We agreed on that.  But now you've gone off on your own ridiculous tangent saying that everyone has to stop calling Bitcoin "Bitcoin" just because some people forked away.  Literally never going to happen.  Give it up.  

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May 05, 2018, 04:40:12 PM
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Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  

the bilateral split was not consensus.
if blockstream/bloq did not do the bilateral split. then core would still be at 35%

thats the whole point..

it was not a consensus challenge
it was a contentious bilateral FORK where both sides went separate ways

again you are still pretending that core are the original and sole holder of "bitcoin" brand by saying what you are saying

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May 05, 2018, 04:40:41 PM
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I feel that these kind of lawsuits will never get off the ground, or are doomed for failure if they ever get started. When nobody owns the Bitcoin trademark and there are thousands of forks getting generated which use the Bitcoin brand, it would be tough to point fingers at Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash.
I feel feel the same way, it could potentially make the situation even worse if the case gets more media attention. Negative attention is still attention, we have seen this many times before.

so what do you propose? should we sit around silently while scammers have fun and fill their pockets by ripping people off?
he is correct that bitcoin is not a trademark and is not owned by anyone but also that means we are all responsible for bitcoin if we are using it. every single one of us. and when we see someone abusing the "name" and the power they have (money and control of key domain names) we need to do something about it.
You are right, we should definitely give it a try. Maybe I was a little pessimistic, but I still think that it will be hard case considering the trademark not being owned and the opposite side having a lot of money. They could easily hire some professional people to the defend themselves, while Bitcoin is depends upon volunteers.
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May 05, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
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Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  

the bilateral split was not consensus.
if blockstream/bloq did not do the bilateral split. then core would still be at 35%

thats the whole point..

it was not a consensus challenge
it was a contentious bilateral FORK where both sides went separate ways

again you are still pretending that core are the original and sole holder of "bitcoin" brand by saying what you are saying

It's not about Core you belligerent tit.  How many more times do I have to say it?  And yes, both sides did go their separate ways, but one of those sides was much bigger.  If BCH had attracted a majority hashrate and a majority economy, I'd be here right now making the argument that BCH is Bitcoin.  But I can't make that argument because they didn't attract a majority hashrate and a majority economy.  Ergo, they are an altcoin and BTC is Bitcoin.  It really is that simple.  The numbers weren't on their side, so they don't get to be Bitcoin.  They're something else and they need to get comfortable with that.  So do you, it seems.

You can claim you think BCH is better than Bitcoin.  You can assert that BCH is closer to Satoshi's vision.  You can lavish whatever praise you want on BCH and their chosen direction.  All of that is fine.  
But it isn't Bitcoin.  End of.

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May 05, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
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Latest news says that Roger Ver is now safe from lawsuit. Money Trigz, created a telegram group only to raise funds to sue Roger Ver but unable to gather enough funds to file a lawsuit.
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We appreciate the 31 people that donated to the initiative But $3700 won’t be enough to do much, so we decided to cancel the initiative and refund the 31 transactions (total 0.39btc) I’m happy were able to at least get bitcoincom make 90% changes on its fraud and dis-information
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May 05, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
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From the first time BCH went out I already doubted it. Didn't even participate into getting that BCH airdrop that they are giving. It is all greed on the inside and not worthy for any human being support.
He used it very well just so he could get this price now. Just as I thought. Why name it with almost the same name as bitcoin. This is the purpose and it is now in the surface unlike before.

But I doubt anyone will win against him. There are still supports him and think of him as Jesus just because of the free money from the airdrop. Strength in numbers will be the key.

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May 05, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
Last edit: May 05, 2018, 05:49:57 PM by franky1
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Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  

the bilateral split was not consensus.
if blockstream/bloq did not do the bilateral split. then core would still be at 35%

thats the whole point..

it was not a consensus challenge
it was a contentious bilateral FORK where both sides went separate ways

again you are still pretending that core are the original and sole holder of "bitcoin" brand by saying what you are saying

It's not about Core you belligerent tit.  How many more times do I have to say it?  And yes, both sides did go their separate ways, but one of those sides was much bigger.  If BCH had attracted a majority hashrate and a majority economy, I'd be here right now making the argument that BCH is Bitcoin.  But I can't make that argument because they didn't attract a majority hashrate and a majority economy.  Ergo, they are an altcoin and BTC is Bitcoin.  It really is that simple.  The numbers weren't on their side, so they don't get to be Bitcoin.  They're something else and they need to get comfortable with that.  So do you, it seems.

You can claim you think BCH is better than Bitcoin.  You can assert that BCH is closer to Satoshi's vision.  You can lavish whatever praise you want on BCH and their chosen direction.  All of that is fine.  
But it isn't Bitcoin.  End of.

btc moved away from the single empire just as much as bch moved away from the single empire.
their is now no single empire. no one owns the empire or the branding.
not cores codebase of segwit and the roadmap that makes up BTC
not cashs codebase that makes up Bch

stop pretending cores protocol cores codebase, cores rules, cores features that make up btc own "bitcoin"
the bilateral split seen to that.

put it this way
if there was not a august 2017 bilateral split. and instead a consensus vote of a SINGLE network upgrade. then that single empire would retain the brand and all the opposing nodes would continue to run on the single network as a single nation

but the civil war/bilateral split. showed they both surrendered to walk in different directions. they both equally lost the battle of being a single network being "the bitcoin"

you want to prtend your not defending core by saying "btc" owns "bitcoin" solely and fully..
anyway i could take it one step further and we could argue all day about why should core even own the term BTC.

the network of CORE rules has no rights of ownership to the brand.. if you disagree and think the network of core rules should own the brand then you are just saying core own the network. because they are the maintainers and rule setters of that network.

if you still cannot see the loyalist spech you are making that cores rules should own "bitcoin" then you are too close to kissing cores ass..
take a few steps back..
if you cant see it still.. take a few more steps back

again you cant just say america gets to own brand dolar due to america having larger population.. thats the weakest defence of all and belongs as a punch line on a stand up comedy night..
it would be the case in a concensus situation.. but a consensus situation did not occur. so is meaningless

the reason its funny. because after a bilateral split.. you are saying if lets say it became extremely profitable to mine bitcoin xyz(random made up) and suddenly that random fork over powered core in hash rate.. would you then claim bitcoin xyz(random made up) is now the sole and only bitcoin

or would you still say bitcoin core(btc) was the real and only bitcoin

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May 05, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
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you keep on repeating the scentiment that the network maintained by core is bitcoin and anything else is an attack.

Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  


there is no such thing as consensus here, only interest groups.

completely meaningless to establish and enforce a standard

this whole issue will be a huge embarassement for the industry in front of the judges

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May 05, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
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it seems roger ver is trying very hard to try to substitute bitcoin cash into bitcoin so try to buy some assets and a website called bitcoin and used to inform bitcoin cash. it's sad if new users make a mistake when buying.

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May 05, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
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it seems roger ver is trying very hard to try to substitute bitcoin cash into bitcoin so try to buy some assets and a website called bitcoin and used to inform bitcoin cash. it's sad if new users make a mistake when buying.

you guys can't free your mind from the brand "bitcoin" dont you?

well you will have to one day. no way around that.

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May 05, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
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it seems theymos and core fanboys trying very hard to try to substitute bitcoin core into bitcoin so try to buy some assets and a website called bitcoin.org and used to inform bitcoin core. it's sad if new users make a mistake when buying.

all arguments about bitcoin cash can be made about bitcoin core
all arguments about bitcoin.com can be made about bitcoin.org

the reality is NEITHER are "the one and only sole bitcoin" the bilateral split seen to that

but it makes the situation alot clearer if you can be smart enough to take an unbiased step back (300 steps back for some) and then translate the crypto buzzwords into the dollar buzzwords. to then see it in a ELI-5 plain english average joe understanding

i still cant beleive that after atleast 10 topics of atleast half a dozen pages per topic that people ignore the bilateral split and instead do all they can to defend core as "the one and only bitcoin" maintainers.

to those that want to scream there is only one bitcoin and its the one that contains the code rules and bips and roadmap maintained by core.. just o one thing
just proclaim this
"decentralisation is dead long live distrubution" and stop pretending that core can own the brand yet prtend its all still decentralised

so just proclaim "decentralisation is dead.. long live distribution" and move on living in your monarchy and you kissing a kings ass and liv in your centralist world.

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May 05, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
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i still cant beleive that after atleast 10 topics of atleast half a dozen pages per topic that people ignore the bilateral split and instead do all they can to defend core as "the one and only bitcoin" maintainers.

ok i help everyone believing why listen: very carefully


SOME PEOPLE (among many are smart ones on purpose) DON'T CARE FOR THE TRUTH; THEY DONT CARE WHICH TECH IS BETTER; THEY SIMPLY, and on full purpose "PROPAGATE" THE COIN THAT THEY ARE INVESTED IN; THAT BRINGS THEM THE MOST PROFITS, THEY IGNORE THINGS DELIBERATELY (like roger ver) WHEN ITS IN THEIR INTEREST TO IGNORE THINGS DELIBERATELY

only IT tech freaks and fair competitionalist, and stuborn "truthseekers" live still in this illusory bubble and cant see this

bitcoin and crypto isnt just a money machine its also a machine fueling unresolvable tribalism!!!!!!! and interest conflicts that can't be peacefully mutually AND REASONABLY resolved

it doesnt even matter what coins they buy they push and propagate the coin that is in their interest.

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May 05, 2018, 07:07:19 PM
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I'm not sure if they are going to win. Bitcoin.com Has been misleading users with calling BCH the Bitcoin. As far as I know they have already made some changes to their website. This whole battle between BTC and BCH gets more and more ridiculous. Bcash supporters are desperate to do everything in order to achieve the flippening which in my opinion won't happen. Bitcoin community is strong despite many quarrels about scaling.

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May 05, 2018, 07:08:41 PM
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I'm not sure if they are going to win. Bitcoin.com Has been misleading users with calling BCH the Bitcoin. As far as I know they have already made some changes to their website. This whole battle between BTC and BCH gets more and more ridiculous. Bcash supporters are desperate to do everything in order to achieve the flippening which in my opinion won't happen. Bitcoin community is strong despite many quarrels about scaling.


both parties will lose, the ultimate winners will be the bankster Cartel that controlls the communal fiats, they will secretly seeking to expose and publicate this conflict. and the unending following ones.

i made a topic about this issue -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3457359.msg35985900#msg35985900

alex jones also exposed this conflict to damage cryptocurrencies.

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May 05, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
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He should be sued for a shed load of bitcoin cash and see if he still tries to shill it. The same would happen if i created a new phone called iphonne that was identical to the iphone, and redirected all the apple drones to the iphonne site. This is wrong and ver should be penalised for tricking newbies

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May 05, 2018, 09:03:36 PM
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https://tools.bitcoin.com/paper-wallet/

More cheekiness here. All they have to do is add the Cash word, and even that's not really good enough. It's easy enough for us not to be taken in. Different matter when you're a noob.

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May 05, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
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you keep on repeating the scentiment that the network maintained by core is bitcoin and anything else is an attack.

Wrong.  I'm saying consensus decides what is and isn't Bitcoin.  Individual dev teams don't even enter into the equation.  

The network with the greatest economic majority and accumulated proof of work is Bitcoin and anything else is an altcoin (but are free to call themselves "Bitcoin Whatever" if they like).  

I've always argued emphatically against the ridiculous notion that forks are somehow an "attack" on Bitcoin, much to the consternation of the fanboys (see here, here and most significantly here).  You should know this because you were right there doing it with me, heh.  We agreed on that.  But now you've gone off on your own ridiculous tangent saying that everyone has to stop calling Bitcoin "Bitcoin" just because some people forked away.  Literally never going to happen.  Give it up.  

Consensus clearly shows the community call Bitcoin (XBT/BTC) and it calls Bcash or Bitcoin Cash (BCH). The majority of the community clearly feel the BCH fork was designed to primarily boost the coffers and egos of the whales behind the project. Bitcoin Core is related to a team of devs, the core structure but the coin itself is Bitcoin (not Bitcoin Core)

"Bitcoin" is simply "Bitcoin" and the following are altcoins, they are NOT "Bitcoin" until or unless it has the greatest economic majority and accumulated proof of work as DooMAD stated earlier:

Bitcoin 21
Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond   
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X   
Bitcoin Z


One of the points ( some say promoting or selling or propoganda) that Ver cited was that there were 3 or 4 'different' teams of devs working on Bitcoin Cash and that there was a democratic process involved as for the future direction, whereas with Bitcoin he claimed there was a single group controlling everything. Hmmm, it seems the 3 or 4 groups of Bitcoin Cash devs (if they exist) do actually control what path to plot for their Bitcoin Cash fork.

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May 05, 2018, 10:01:52 PM
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https://tools.bitcoin.com/paper-wallet/

More cheekiness here. All they have to do is add the Cash word, and even that's not really good enough. It's easy enough for us not to be taken in. Different matter when you're a noob.

Thank you for pointing it out, that is so bad. I wonder why they created such confusion?

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May 05, 2018, 10:22:38 PM
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https://tools.bitcoin.com/paper-wallet/

More cheekiness here. All they have to do is add the Cash word, and even that's not really good enough. It's easy enough for us not to be taken in. Different matter when you're a noob.

Thank you for pointing it out, that is so bad. I wonder why they created such confusion?

those that would want to buy bitcoin cash would by bitcoin cash anyway,

those that wanted to buy bitocoin would then buy bitcoin cash,

this way bitcoincash gets more demand and price is higher,

making roger richer since he is selling his premine

but roger underestimates the long term effects of all this,
his earned us dollar might completely become worthless if there will be a crypto us dollar,
and or the entire/most of us economy becomes ico token based.

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May 06, 2018, 03:38:11 AM
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When participating in bitcoin trading, you have to be careful. Choose reputable websites to avoid unfortunate mistakes. Recently, a community movement has grown to more than 600 members in just two days to pursue legal action against Bitcoin.com and CEO Roger Ver, for intentionally misleading "new users" to buy. Bitcoin Cash (BCH) instead of Bitcoin (BTC).
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